MTV Buzz Bin: Volume 1 - The Zen of Buzz Clips: From a Guy Named Buzz

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I’m starting to remember keeping myself willfully ignorant of White Zombie as a teenager because I understood them to be some kind of half-assed Ministry rip-off.

then you heard Filth Pig and realized no ripoff could possibly be worse, right

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 15:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

of course MTV was the major labels' bitch all through the 'alternative nation' era but i mean they didn't NEED to put "Zombie" in the buzz bin to justify playing it around the clock, they were already a huge band, what does 'buzz bin' even mean if it's not about new acts?

― some dude, Tuesday, March 20, 2012 11:50 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

xpost pitchfork didn't have to get bon iver to curate pitchfork fest paris either

ffun. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 15:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't really understand what whiney or aero is saying

some dude, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 15:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

They should really have compiled all the Breakthrough Videos.

lag∞na beach: the real ∞range c∞unty (beachville), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 15:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

i mean i get what aero thinks is a truth bomb but is actually trite and totally beside the point of what i was saying (xpost)

some dude, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 15:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

They should really have compiled all the Breakthrough Videos.

― lag∞na beach: the real ∞range c∞unty (beachville), Tuesday, March 20, 2012 3:58 PM (1 minute ago)

otm

waiting in the shadow of the Big Gulp (loves laboured breathing), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

They'd run the little "clouds" bumper that said Breakthrough Video and you'd be like "Oh, I wonder what groundbreaking video I'm getting?" and after about the 50th time, it was usually just "Black or White" or something.

lag∞na beach: the real ∞range c∞unty (beachville), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

that was a p amazing video tho

ffun. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's possible that including Strong second-album songs from White Zombie and Cranberries helps strenghten the credibility of 'the Buzz Bin'; maybe the process works both ways--MTV gives hot new bands exposure who then lend cred to 'return the favor'*

xp to some dude

waiting in the shadow of the Big Gulp (loves laboured breathing), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

There's an awful lot of hair on these bands.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

* - I'm p unhappy with how imprecise 'who then lend cred to return the favor' sounds to me, but I really have nothing atm. I get what you mean, ship, and it's probably on some 'give the kids what they want' tip, but it's possible that a bombastic U2-style antiwar anthem was enough of a gamechanger for Dolores & co. to qualify for the 'Buzz Bin'

waiting in the shadow of the Big Gulp (loves laboured breathing), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

Zombie was the second single released from the 2nd album iirc...? Or maybe not?

waiting in the shadow of the Big Gulp (loves laboured breathing), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok wiki says nope

waiting in the shadow of the Big Gulp (loves laboured breathing), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

gin blossoms by a country mile, fuckaz

Poliopolice, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

i get what aero was saying

fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

caveats upthread noted, still voting for White Zombie here.

kurwa mać (Polish for "long life") (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

gin blossoms by a country mile, fuckaz

― Poliopolice, Tuesday, March 20, 2012

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

danzig all the way. sorry radiohead. cracker i have on a 10" single, white zombie track is ok, hated everything else at the time and imagine i still would. Would rather listen to herbie hancock than a sample of his, sorry guys.
Cranberries even worse than filter.

fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

actually i dunno the dave matthews (does anyone outside north america?) but it cannot be worse than Zombie (nothing is)

fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

They should really have compiled all the Breakthrough Videos.

only breakthrough video i remember offhand is "virtual insanity"

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

xp: I think we need to poll that, Herman.

lag∞na beach: the real ∞range c∞unty (beachville), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

while More Human is great it's a huge dropoff in quality from the bizarro fuck-rock schtick White Zombie'd been working for the two or three years before that

I'm listening to La Sexorcisto right now and really couldn't disagree with this statement more

if you removed the samples you'd end up with something suspiciously similar to an Infectious Grooves album

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

("Soul-Crusher" is pretty good though, at least up until the vocals come in and the music gets all boring again)

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol okay the music became unboring after a while

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Danzig, White Zombie a close second.

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

xps
i dont think a poll is needed to decide Zombie is the worst song ever. It just IS

fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

During my freshman year of college, the guys in the dorm room next to mine blasted "Zombie" constantly. It was an inauspicious intro to higher education.

Moodles, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

i actually like "zombie". i guess that's the heretic's stance, which makes sense. it's got terrible, cringe-inducing lyrics, but the rush i get off the chorus is so massive that i don't really care. do wish it were about brain-eating instead.

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Breakthrough Video of Radiohead's "Just" was how I got into that band. (Also some of the great S Jonze videos--Buddy Holly, I think, Wax's California--were BT Videos)

Also: No Rain/Low >>>> Mother/More Human than Human. But I still voted Hey Jealousy.

waiting in the shadow of the Big Gulp (loves laboured breathing), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

I really loved "Zombie" before someone showed me the lyrics

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

ah here's the G Love story (also more upthread): Defend The Cringe-Worthy: G Love & Da Special Sauce

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

I can't really understand what she's saying, sounds like it's better to remain ignorant. I find the song tolerable...

skip, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Another head hangs lowly,
Child is slowly taken.
And the violence caused such silence,
Who are we mistaken?

But you see, it's not me, it's not my family.
In your head, in your head they are fighting,
With their tanks and their bombs,
And their bombs and their guns.
In your head, in your head, they are crying...

In your head, in your head,
Zombie, zombie, zombie,
Hey, hey, hey. What's in your head,
In your head,
Zombie, zombie, zombie?
Hey, hey, hey, hey, oh, dou, dou, dou, dou, dou...

Another mother's breakin',
Heart is taking over.
When the vi'lence causes silence,
We must be mistaken.

It's the same old theme since nineteen-sixteen.
In your head, in your head they're still fighting,
With their tanks and their bombs,
And their bombs and their guns.
In your head, in your head, they are dying...

In your head, in your head,
Zombie, zombie, zombie,
Hey, hey, hey. What's in your head,
In your head,
Zombie, zombie, zombie?
Hey, hey, hey, hey, oh, oh, oh,
Oh, oh, oh, oh, hey, oh, ya, ya-a...

fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

During my freshman year of college, the guys in the dorm room next to mine blasted "Zombie" constantly. It was an inauspicious intro to higher education.

also the year John Singleton released HIGHER EDUCATION

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

it cannot be worse than Zombie (nothing is)

you and I do not often see eye to eye but in this matter we are brothers

tempestuous alaskan nites! (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

welcome to Smashing Pumpkins fandom, here is your Billy Corgan skullcap

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

i mean i get what aero thinks is a truth bomb but is actually trite and totally beside the point of what i was saying

lol you live for beef! it's not any truthbomb anything it's just how that shit actually worked. you asked! label marketing depts discussed strategies about what audiences they wanted to build and worked cooperatively with MTV (and radio) to expand/define the markets of their acts. I know that you're probably going to read a lot of "...and that's BAD" into that, but it's actually a value-neutral description of how a band like the Cranberries winds up in the buzz bin. label submits video for consideration in Buzz Bin, has a guy specifically working the track for that purpose, Buzz Bin's a proven moneymaker. MTV has meetings, programmers say "dude at Cranberries label has been calling me all week, says this is a priority." video goes in buzz bin, feels like a good fit in an era of occasional feel-good alt-political anthems, what the hell, everybody loves U2, these guys are Irish too, meeting wraps early let's all get fucked up

tempestuous alaskan nites! (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

welcome to Smashing Pumpkins fandom, here is your Billy Corgan skullcap

despite all my rage I'm just a rat

tempestuous alaskan nites! (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

are you sure the "let's all get fucked up" part didn't happen BEFORE the "video goes in the buzz bin" part

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol you live for beef! it's not any truthbomb anything it's just how that shit actually worked. you asked! label marketing depts discussed strategies about what audiences they wanted to build and worked cooperatively with MTV (and radio) to expand/define the markets of their acts. I know that you're probably going to read a lot of "...and that's BAD" into that, but it's actually a value-neutral description of how a band like the Cranberries winds up in the buzz bin. label submits video for consideration in Buzz Bin, has a guy specifically working the track for that purpose, Buzz Bin's a proven moneymaker. MTV has meetings, programmers say "dude at Cranberries label has been calling me all week, says this is a priority." video goes in buzz bin, feels like a good fit in an era of occasional feel-good alt-political anthems, what the hell, everybody loves U2, these guys are Irish too, meeting wraps early let's all get fucked up

― tempestuous alaskan nites! (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, March 20, 2012 2:14 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

but i mean...they had lots of ways to spotlight new videos by established artists, back in the 90s boom years MTV would do 'world premieres' for vids by big acts every hour on the hour probably more than once a week. that doesn't answer my question of why the whole 'buzz bin' idea of featuring up-and-comers would be compromised, you're just totally off on your little hobbyhorse right now.

some dude, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's not even a "the nominee for Best New Artist is on their second album" thing, it's more like "the nominee for Best New Artist is on their second platinum album"

some dude, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

but i mean...they had lots of ways to spotlight new videos by established artists, back in the 90s boom years MTV would do 'world premieres' for vids by big acts every hour on the hour probably more than once a week. that doesn't answer my question of why the whole 'buzz bin' idea of featuring up-and-comers would be compromised, you're just totally off on your little hobbyhorse right now.

iirc those world premieres were once a month at most & carried throughout the following two weeks - they didn't have bunches & bunches of big premieres, those were giant acts only ("Jamie's Got A Gun" was one of them, hard night here in the camp) weren't they? "The whole 'buzz bin' idea of featuring up-and-comers" is something you accept, when that's not actually the idea, the idea is developing a market & forging an identity (I want to say "corporate identity," but you're incapable of reading that without thinking I am thereby saying something bad about corporations). This isn't a "hobby horse" of any kind; it's just how the business actually works. Your questions kind of answer themselves here ("it's not even a "the nominee for Best New Artist is on their second album" thing, it's more like "the nominee for Best New Artist is on their second platinum album") but don't take it from me, talk to other people who actually know lawyers & execs who worked closely with MTV at the time. Or hold onto "what about the purity of the Buzz Bin" that's cool too

tempestuous alaskan nites! (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

but i mean...they had lots of ways to spotlight new videos by established artists, back in the 90s boom years MTV would do 'world premieres' for vids by big acts every hour on the hour probably more than once a week. that doesn't answer my question of why the whole 'buzz bin' idea of featuring up-and-comers would be compromised, you're just totally off on your little hobbyhorse right now.

no he's not, he's right. he's just talking sense. "buzz bin" has no intrinsic meaning. MTV developed the phrase as a branding device to generate an exciting frisson of value-added *newness*, but once established, they could use it to add that quality to less than totally novel offerings. no surprise, just good business.

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

no contenderizer buzz bin is a beautiful dream and they ruined it

bring back the dream of buzz bin

tempestuous alaskan nites! (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

and really, can anyone argue that "Zombie" does not fit in sonically with the rest of the CD?

skip, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

Let's all just agree that nothing MTV labeled as 'alternative' or 'buzzworthy' post-'93 (to be super liberal with the date) was a particularly buzzworthy alternative to anything else they aired.

Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

watch yer buzz bins I'm tellin' ya

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Jamie's Got A Gun"

lol

Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

sure he's talking sense, nothing he's saying is WRONG, he's just deploying it like inside knowledge and not shit that everyone knows, which is really condescending and annoying

the whole use of the word "buzz" is pretty much universally understood to mean this is something new that people are buzzing about, and definitely in that context more "people are buzzing about this new band," not "people are buzzing about this new Janet Jackson video". it's not like i'm mad they spoiled the secret garden that was the buzz bin, just even as a tween i was like 'uh yo why are the Cranberries still in the buzz bin, their last shit went plat'

some dude, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

aero totally otm

xp

the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:33 (2 years ago) Permalink


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