They're Remaking 'Alien' -- the 'Prometheus' thread

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alien 3, otoh, is seriously great for a good hour or so. then it catastrophically isn't. i'm not sure which is better or worse. neither's a patch on the first two.

― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, March 19, 2012

just finished re-watching it this evening and this is vv OTM, despite it coming off from the jump like a very special Doctor Who directed by Terry Gilliam with the lighting guys from an Aerosmith video.

basically solid until SPOILER charles dance gets whacked END SPOILER and then immediately unbearable

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 06:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

the lighting guys from an Aerosmith video.

heh. funny you mention that.

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 06:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 06:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ok, finally just watched both the American & UK trailers for this, and the fact that they ever half-assedly claimed this wasn't an Alien movie is bonkers.

I'm just hoping they don't pull some Prequels shit and feel compelled to dump visual refs from the original flicks into this one just to try to give it a bigger impact by reminding you of the movies that preceded it.

Cute that both this & the first AvP flick involve archeological clues leading the heroes to get fucked up.

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 06:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Also, cute that they fit a DW ref in there by naming a character "Dr. Elizabeth Shaw"

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 06:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

They're going to find a stargate, aren't they? Xpost

StanM, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 07:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

Or Pazuzu

StanM, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 07:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

the fifth element is alien dna!

the late great, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 07:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

Cute that both this & the first AvP flick involve archeological clues leading the heroes to get fucked up.

― Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 06:45 (1 hour ago) Permalink

Yeah the scene in the trailer where Noomi Rapace and her colleague/bf/husband/whatever are explaining their ancient aliens schtick to the crew is very reminiscent of a similar scene in AvP

Conmetheus (latebloomer), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 08:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

btw it was very hot in those suits

Conmetheus (latebloomer), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 08:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

haa

goole, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 13:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sad to see that Alien Loves Predator is no longer a going concern. That one always provided some laughs.

butvi wouls (Phil D.), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 13:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

I want to say, from memory, that the alternate cut of Alien3 is significantly better. But I can't recall why, exactly.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

i worry this film will be infected with so many of the current bullshit aesthetic choices of big-budget movies (see: first half of the trailer) but i still want to see it bad (see: second half of the trailer).

jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

I hear you, man

mh, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

expectation management: this is gonna be thrilling & scary, it'll look great, the story will be kinda hokum but nowhere near avatar levels of cheese, and the 'alien' connection will be kinda baloney but nowhere near AvP levels of stupidity.

ledge, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

it strikes me that having a bunch of spacesuit lights pointed up around your chin would be annoying

goole, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Who wrote this one?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

Crap. Lindelof is one red flag. The other guy is ... the other.

As a screenwriter Spaihts became known in the film industry as a "go-to-guy for space thrillers"[citation needed] when his science fiction romance Passengers was included on the 2007 Black List of unproduced high-value screenplays.[2] Keanu Reeves had hired Spaihts to write the film after originally becoming attached to Spaihts' now abandoned science fiction script Shadow 19.[3] After Reeves agreed to produce and star in Passengers,[4] Spaihts was commissioned by Scott Free Productions to write the next installments in the Alien saga, two prequel films to be directed by Ridley Scott for a release in 2012.
Spaihts rewrote the alien invasion thriller The Darkest Hour for New Regency Productions[5] and worked on a film version of St. George and the Dragon for Sony Pictures Entertainment. As main screenwriter Spaihts is also attached to a Disney film project called Children of Mars. He is currently engaged in a two-picture deal at Bruckheimer Films.

"go-to-guy for space thrillers"

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

[citation needed]

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

Children of John Carter of Mars Need Moms

ledge, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Kind of hoping Ridley Scott counteracts all the Lindelof bad points. I thought he'd written more, but it looks like I was confusing some of his producer credits with writing credits. Crap.

mh, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

Spaihts probably provides technobabble, Lindelof provides stoned ideas that peter out, Scott probably went "Christ you stupid fuckers" and found a way around them both.

Haha xpost with mh but yeah.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

nothing about those two guys' resumes makes me think anything one way or another. never cared about lost tho.

goole, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

I am going to enjoy this, but I am still probably going to be laughing during the running away from the rolling spaceship segment of the movie

(he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Referencing the William Gibson script for Alien 3 mentioned earlier -- the producers had him do a script thinking that he was a novel- and short story-writing science fiction guy who would give them a script with crazy ideas and they'd work with a traditional screenwriter to hammer it into a filmable script with those ideas. What he ended up delivering was a completely filmable script with no crazy ideas. Whoops.

mh, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

xpost

"This one is for your alien mother!"
"Run away!"

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

More insight into the bizarre world of "how producers think."

mh, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

I want to say, from memory, that the alternate cut of Alien3 is significantly better. But I can't recall why, exactly.

It's got the better opening scene with Charles Dance finding Ripley on the beach, and it keeps the whole subplot where they actually successfully trap the alien and the crazy guy lets it out, for starters.

butvi wouls (Phil D.), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

well i mean the original alien scripts were a dog's dinner of cliche and producer-driven rewrites too. i've watched enough "making of alien" docs to know that if they'd filmed either the o'bannon original or any of the rewrites straight, if they hadn't drafted scott, who then brought in giger and all the rest, we'd probably (not) be talking about a movie on the level of a third-tier roger corman flick.

but you know...movies. so god knows how it's gonna turn out.

jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

I want to say, from memory, that the alternate cut of Alien3 is significantly better. But I can't recall why, exactly.

yeah, no, it isn't. the parts that work (first 2/3) are rejiggered and expanded in a way that doesn't harm the film, but the final act is still a complete failure.

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 15:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Guys - I just shudderingly thought about Contact and how Prometheus stole the fire from the ruling deity of his time and how the peeps are going on a search for the origins of humanity... This isn't going to turn into some bullshit religious crapfest, is it?

StanM, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 15:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

if it is i am going to throw a flaming trashcan through the movie screen

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 15:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Seems way too fucked up for that. Then again if the message is "Yeah Jesus Christ was an alien visitor who caused human bodies to explode" I'd be impressed.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 15:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

I want to see this at the same theater as s1ocki!

mh, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 15:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

trashcan would take up a whole seat, you'd have to buy two tickets, i dunno if it's worth it man.

ledge, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 15:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

you bring the trashcan, i'll bring the attitude

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 15:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

Jesus having acid for blood throws some real wrinkles into the Eucharist. 10/10. Would watch again.

butvi wouls (Phil D.), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 15:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Actually I think I'll be in the right city but I'm gone before this movie comes out :(

mh, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 15:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Cautiously optimistic about this.

Would watch even if alien JC's bleeding acid all over the joint.

Millsner, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 15:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

they already did the jesus stuff in 3 anyway.

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 15:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

if you throw the trashcan please paint one side blue and the other side red so it looks ok to the 3D goggle crowd.

StanM, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 15:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

( ^ has never been to a cinema to see a 3D movie so this may be a somewhat outdated view of how 3D works, no idea)

StanM, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 15:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

no i pretty much think that is it

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 15:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

in 3d movies generally the actors on the left hand of the screen are painted blue while the ones on the right are painted red. (see avatar)

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 15:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

otm

mh, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 15:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wow, the imdb entry has far more info than I remember:

http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0103644/trivia

Richard E. Grant turned down the role of Clemens. Director David Fincher offered him the role as he was a huge fan of "Withnail & I" and wanted to reunite Grant with co-stars Paul McGann and Ralph Brown.

The damages inflicted on Bishop were too severe to have Lance Henriksen work a prosthetic head while hiding under a table/chair/platform, so the filmmakers ended up having the android being played by... an android. A mechanical copy of Henriksen's likeness was used in this movie for the portrayal of the Sulaco-Bishop.

Writer/Producer David Giler has stated he regrets writing this movie, as it eroded his authority as producer. Giler only committed to writing the film upon demands from Sigourney Weaver who, after Vincent Ward's departure, would only sign on to the film if Giler and Walter Hill would pen the screenplay. Giler claims this later generated conflicts between himself, director David Fincher and Fox Studios executives, with Fox taking Fincher's side over Giler's. After one particularly heated disagreement, Giler walked off the set, leaving his duties to producer John Landau.

Lance Henriksen only agreed to reprise his role as Bishop as a personal favor to Walter Hill. To this day, Henriksen has said he dislikes the film for its nihilistic themes.

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Also, Alex Thomson was the final DP after the original was too sick to continue. Here's his obit:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2007/jul/05/guardianobituaries.obituaries2

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 15:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Lolz all around!

I need to rewatch the first two. Haven't seen them in years. Also its funny the way Doom and Quake keep being brought up cos Doom was actually supposed to be based on the first two movies until the license fell through.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Henriksen has said he dislikes the film for its nihilistic themes"

so he then went off and made Millenium?

akm, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

...so then he disavowed his career and spent the remainder of his years playing Van Helsing-esque characters in direct to video monster movies.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:38 (2 years ago) Permalink


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