i think this stuff is quite tepid
like the best track on here is a smoothed out version of tantakatan which itself was like a smoothed out version of a radio slave track
― the late great, Monday, 19 March 2012 23:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
Goddam those soulless house music producers with their lack of tunes!
― Tuomas, Monday, March 19, 2012 4:25 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah, what the hell are these fools talking about? this record is all about sounds for me (including her voice, which i love). i'm not coming into it looking for pop songs.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 01:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
b&s backlash make me sad :-(
― flopson, Monday, March 19, 2012 4:17 PM Bookmark
backlash implies that we liked them in the first place, which NO. FUCK THAT.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 01:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
I knew i'd be brought up on that throwaway tunes comment, but i don't find it this particularly atmospheric or anything either. Seems like this and Voices From The Lake are the two most acclaimed dance albums recently and i find both of them incredibly boring.
― Number None, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 01:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
Rev I think yr crusade against hipster druggy house doesn't really apply to anything B&S have done in the past 12 months.
They've basically turned into a 2012 equivalent of Justus Kohncke.
I can understand disliking "Where The Freaks Have No Name" et. al. on your stated grounds, of course.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 01:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
one man's "boring" is another man's "low key late night music"
maybe ppl are just confused cause it's on rekids? doesn't remind me of anything i've ever heard from that label
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 02:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, i could see that. rekids stuff is usually more overtly banging for sure.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 02:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
yea, and her RA podcast, other singles etc were a lot different too.
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 02:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
― The Reverend, Monday, March 19, 2012 9:32 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
we did. i was there. i was one of them.
― flopson, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 03:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
i can understand not being wowed by the kraviz album cuz it really is very understated, but it works really well at creating mood. there are too many actively annoying elements to benoit & sergio
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 07:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
ya idk if i'd call it a 'grower' but it definitely helps to be in the right mood. which, it turns out, i usually am.
couldn't imagine hearing this stuff 'out', it's so intimate and understated. i could imagine someone hating this record if they were sitting around anxiously waiting for something to happen or sweep them off their feet... this isn't 'just' wallpaper but it works really well in the right setting/with the right expectations... i think i gravitate towards records like this tho maybe others don't. also maybe cold rainy pacific northwest winters naturally complement this type of thing
i love b&s but this really is nothing like b&s, can we have that debate elsewhere?
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 08:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
maybe cold rainy pacific northwest winters naturally complement this type of thing
ha, you too?
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 08:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
yea this is my second pdx winter and i'm trying to embrace it rather than continuing to hold out for whenever the hell it's supposed to be sunny again
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 08:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
It's very effective at creating mood but that mood is really boring, this kind of druggy blankness. I'm not a massive deep house fan at the best of times but I actively leave rooms in clubs when it gets like this, there's nothing to really hook into here. I don't really get why we're talking about Benoit & Sergio here at all.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 09:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
why have actual descriptive comparisons when we can have tribalist statements of allegiance and enmity.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 10:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
ftr my tribe's position on Nina Kraviz is "indifferent," we just showed up to defend our Tribal Deities Benoit & Sergio's honour
― flopson, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
the mood reads as warm intimacy to me
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
fwiw, the only track on this i'd actually want to hear (or play) out is "ghetto kraviz"
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
i also just really like how loose and breathable her stuff is. as far as the album goes it's not a "major" album, it's casual, but with a very defined vision, which feels kind of rare in this protooled-within-an-inch-of-its-life world which shows every sign of worsening
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
I hardly think that's a major issue in the genre context in which she's working.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
maybe not, i have no idea!
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
i guess the reason it occurs to me is that the SOUNDS she uses are very, very nice, pristine almost, but it's in service to loose and almost ramshackle songs, which is a neat combination
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
(though "songs" is maybe overstating what they are..)
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
There are a hell of a lot of dance music albums like that though. It's practically traditional at this point.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
i guess i am just way out of it.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
No it's good news. If you like this kind of thing then there a lot of great albums for you to check out. Start with Kalabrese!
― Tim F, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
Also I stand by my Dani Siciliano reference above.
i love kalabrese! they/he seems more jam-packed and maximalist to me though. not skeletal and spare like this.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
some of those dance albums with pristine sounds and ramshackle songs ALSO have ramshackle voices, be warned (iirc i thought kalabrese was one of these)
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh yes I would expect you to have some issues with Kalabrese, lex. Also Noze.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
yup nôze have always repelled me slightly apart from "remember love". just...disgusting vocals
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
there's also something just a little bit evil and twisted about nina kraviz that i'm responding to. like she is going to drag you down into her dark world if you let her. looseness + great sounds + evil = turkish delight for tracer hand
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
yea i think dani siciliano is a fair comparison, maybe luomo too. it's not mining any strikingly new territories but honestly it doesn't matter because it nails the vibe it's going for perfectly - and i don't get 'druggy blankness' at all. again, i can't imagine hearing this in a club, but maybe it codes that way in that setting.
i'm actually glad that it wasn't produced by someone like matthew herbert tho, it wouldn't have the same warmth. tbh i think siciliano, kalabrese and noze actually accomplish something a lot more twisted than this record. nina gets a little 'evil' as tracer mentioned but if you're looking for disjointed alien sex jamz you have come to the wrong place
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah i meant psychologically twisted rather than anything specifically in the sonics
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
more of that indie tech house
2012 landfill indie house
Big up the ghost of DFA
Blondes/Talabot/Kraviz
Your time
― jimitheexploder, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
yea we've already talked about how none of those things have anything to do with dfa
lol @ 'landfill' in the context of three albums as they compare to the glut of post-dubstep blah (talk about BORING) put out in the first few months of 2012. and talabot might be a bit indie but don't you like sun araw and shit?
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 00:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
This is mega Berlin 2012 DFA tech indie house if ever I saw it.
― jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 00:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
so what (it isn't, but so what anyway)
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 00:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
i agree with some of those qualifiers but still sorta fail to see how dfa has anything to do w/it (maybe ndf/benoit & sergio at a stretch)
plus, dfa is great! i love all of those qualifiers except "tech house", but i guess that term can be stretched to mean p much whatever you'd like
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 00:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
when i think 'tech house' i think of maetrik or smthg and then i want to fall asleep
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 01:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
I keep wondering why I have such an urge to post negatIve comments on this thread, but then I realise that's because I've listened to the incredibly mundane music linked in the youtubes. Come on, it's Beatport fodder super-clean quasi deep "t-shirt house" with a marketing angle. Lee Foss mentioned above is probably about right for the sort of music you'd have in the same set.
I don't want to be a hater, but I can't help myself with this one.
― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 01:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
Hope that wasn't too harsh :/ I'm a little dunk
― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 01:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
would have never guessed this would be something so many people would take such a strong disliking to :/
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 01:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
still my favorite album so far this year tho all y'all can suck it ^_^
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 01:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
Its some kinda turbo bland stealth tech house vibe washing over ealy 2012 like a brown turd fog.
― jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 01:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
Every time Jimi references DFA in these discussions his point loses a bit more credibility.
Surely the default negative comparison point for dark, smoky repetitive pre-and-post minimal techo-house is Poker Flat (though nb. I love loads and loads of Poker Flat).
And this does sound like an album that might have been released on Poker Flat literally at any time between 2001 and 2011.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
well dfa is the only indie house explosion I can remember I'm not that old.
shitty live-ish drums on some kinda techy disco house grid with some kinda deep house vibes.
+vaugly loose analouge synth work... its all there DFA is all over this shit.
depressing old man indie house
― jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
I like DFA and I like this and this sounds nothing like DFA.
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
And I don't see what this has anything to do with indie or live drums or disco house.
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
or old men
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh come on, makes perfect sense, this music sounds like shit, that other music sounds like shit, qed
― the late great, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 23:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
that post was indie nonsense.
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Thursday, 22 March 2012 00:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
only a soulless dance fan would say something like that
― Number None, Thursday, 22 March 2012 00:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
on the essential mix...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01h5gtt
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 10:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
Loving it so far. Very much making me want to don a pair of shades and sway by a rooftop pool rather than being in the basement shop of a university selling Polo mints.
― Blue Collar Retail Assistant (Dwight Yorke), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 11:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
Ghetto Kraviz is so ghetto.
― MikoMcha, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 11:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
awful, gay, indie, dfa, live, drum, old, man, brown, turd, fog, house, music
― they loooovin the crut (The Reverend), Sunday, 10 June 2012 07:16 (11 months ago) Permalink
Proverb states soulless dance fan gets glass in feet.
― Chewshabadoo, Sunday, 10 June 2012 10:45 (11 months ago) Permalink
I saw her over the weekend and she only played super-super-super-SUPER-SUUUUUUPEEEEEEEEEERRRR-tracky techno with barely any synth lines or anything and no real obvious breakdowns or buildups and most people (self-included) had no idea what to do with it. Like people would just dance for a little bit and then stop cause there weren't really any cues in the music to ease back here, go nuts here, whatever.
― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Saturday, 6 October 2012 03:02 (7 months ago) Permalink
Like it was all pretty banging and stuff but not really in the service of anything.
― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Saturday, 6 October 2012 03:07 (7 months ago) Permalink
you probably forgot to do drugs first.
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Monday, 8 October 2012 06:59 (7 months ago) Permalink
I did have someone ask me if I knew where to get any E. But I didn't know. :(
― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Monday, 8 October 2012 08:19 (7 months ago) Permalink
only track of hers i know is zlobnii mikrob - representative?
― suare, Monday, 8 October 2012 08:26 (7 months ago) Permalink