They're Remaking 'Alien' -- the 'Prometheus' thread

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tbh, i think the heavy presence of the gritty and industrial in the 90s pop visual imagination owes a lot to david fincher

― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, March 19, 2012 7:16 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you do know ppl are talking about "alien resurrection" not "alien3" right

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 19 March 2012 19:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah and also, i think i said this already somewhere on this thread, but it was soooo 90s to be like "what the gritty, industrial, magnificently-realized alien universe needs is... a dose of gallic whimsy!"

― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, March 19, 2012 7:12 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^^^^^^^^LOL yes.

I h8 that movie so much.

Conmetheus (latebloomer), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

I should check but is the Walter Hill listed as a coproducer THE Walter Hill? Kinda random if so.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, March 19, 2012 6:03 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah he co-wrote/produced the original Alien with David Giler and Gordon Carroll. They were responsible for the android Ash, a lot of the space trucker
aesthetic and some other things. They also infamously tried to lock out the original writer, Dan O'Bannon, from getting credit.

They have had producing credit on every Alien movie since, even Alien vs Predator.

Conmetheus (latebloomer), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

And they also came up with the "soldiers in space" scenario for Aliens and after reading Cameron's Terminator script asked him to write it.

Conmetheus (latebloomer), Monday, 19 March 2012 20:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've watched the hell out of the Alien series in the last six months after remembering I got the blu-ray set for Christmas over a year ago. I can enjoy all of them, but I'd rank Alien over Aliens any day. I'm really bad at elaborating, but I feel like Cameron definitely created some of the strongest stock characters and battles, but Alien somehow feels better as a film. It's kind of survival horror versus straight up action movie, though.

mh, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

Meanwhile, Jeunet/Whedon's take was pretty much "Whedon meets French science fiction" which means it either needs to have fart jokes, take itself way too seriously, or both.

Fincher was pretty much screwed from the start

mh, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

when did jeunet become a stand-in for all french sci-fi?

the late great, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was kind of generalizing to the few I've seen? Not necessarily just Jeunet

mh, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:French_science_fiction_films

I've seen more than I thought! I think there are a few Quebec films in here, but French language regardless

mh, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

the only good part of that movie was the chick that drowned

― the late great, Monday, March 19, 2012 3:14 PM (1 hour ago)

whiney?

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Monday, 19 March 2012 20:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Alien Resurrection is pretty funny if you imagine that the Winona android was based on Amelie

mh, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

nah, i said the chick, not the drowning

the late great, Monday, 19 March 2012 21:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

I had a Hollywood insider friend in college, and I remember him leaking the Alien 4 script to me. I read it over, and I was like, no fucking way. Same thing happened when he showed me the script to "A Life Less Ordinary," and I thought, no one way is this the follow-up to "Trainspotting."

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 March 2012 21:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

ironic, because danny boyle was attached to direct Alien Resurrection at one point

Conmetheus (latebloomer), Monday, 19 March 2012 21:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

Had a shot at being better with him attached, imo.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 19 March 2012 21:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, it was kinda funny seeing how he grafted on a horror subplot to Sunshine. Total "damn I should've taken Alien IV" syndrome

Conmetheus (latebloomer), Monday, 19 March 2012 21:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

The horror plot is kind of ehhh but Sunshine was pretty awesome cast and visual-wise

mh, Monday, 19 March 2012 21:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, it was a beautiful not-very-good movie.

Conmetheus (latebloomer), Monday, 19 March 2012 21:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Alien Resurrection can't even say that for itself. It's just ugly and stupid all the way through.

Conmetheus (latebloomer), Monday, 19 March 2012 21:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm not very trustworthy though, I watched Pandorum a couple times when it was on starz.

mh, Monday, 19 March 2012 21:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've waxed about Sunshine elsewhere on ilx, but to sum up: I've made my peace with the third act and I'm glad it's the way it is.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 19 March 2012 21:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

Best parts of Alien Resurrection:

- Ripley clones, including the one who is a main character being "born" and the creepy botched ones
- When Ripley seems especially non-human/cold at the beginning, bleeds acid, and Weaver has a way with motion that really projects something creepy, that she's not human
- The aliens killing one of their own to unleash enough acid to escape, after they've learned about the punishment button from creepy scientist dude
- Total horror of the people revived from stasis only to have the first thing they see be a facehugger

The army, Dan Hedaya, mercenary bits are all... not so hot. The "sheeee's giving birth for YOU, Ripley!" part is trying too hard for body horror and it's not quite there

um now I'm back to thinking about Prometheus

mh, Monday, 19 March 2012 21:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

i love brad dourif

goole, Monday, 19 March 2012 21:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

is alien 4 the one where they play basketball?

dayo, Monday, 19 March 2012 21:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

yup

catbus otm (gbx), Monday, 19 March 2012 21:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

The basketball scene is... some of the best and worst elements of the movie meeting

mh, Monday, 19 March 2012 21:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

I really hated how dumbed down the aliens were in that movie. They look like slimy velociraptors. And the movie's so brown that in some shots they look like piles of shit with teeth. There's some really ugly cinematography in that movie.

Conmetheus (latebloomer), Monday, 19 March 2012 21:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

I mean, it's a space monster movie, this shit's important

Conmetheus (latebloomer), Monday, 19 March 2012 21:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

I caught a bit of alien 4 when it was on TV - breaks the rule of not showing the monster too much, right?

dayo, Monday, 19 March 2012 21:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

They also infamously tried to lock out the original writer, Dan O'Bannon, from getting credit.

Ah, well, fuck them, then.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 March 2012 21:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

The only shitty thing about the Alien series as far as I'm concerned is a coke-addled James Cameron going on a "they killed Newt / I will never forgive them" tirade. A1 is awesome, A2-4 are almost all equally watchable.

Oh, the part in A4 when the baby hybrid shows up was bad. xp

mom in the woods (Ówen P.), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

A2-4 are almost all equally watchable.

no

Conmetheus (latebloomer), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Although when I saw the movie in the theatre, the projector cinched up right at the moment of the big (crap) reveal, the light burnt the film and the movie ended. We got free passes to the next showing. It was a way better ending than Jeunet's xp

mom in the woods (Ówen P.), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wm Gibson did a draft of the Alien3 screenplay, iirc

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

The aliens killing one of their own to unleash enough acid to escape, after they've learned about the punishment button from creepy scientist dude

that part is awesome

the alien baby hybrid getting killed by mama ripley was ... sad :-(

the late great, Monday, 19 March 2012 22:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah that's crazy. A2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A3>>>>>>>>>>>insert vastness of space where no one can you scream>>>>>>>>>>>A4

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

was there anybody NOT involved with A3 iirc

Summer Slam! (Ste), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

tila tequila

Conmetheus (latebloomer), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

I dunno, the A2>A3>A4 thing is popular consensus but I basically feel like Jeunet>Fincher>everybody>Cameron so whatever

mom in the woods (Ówen P.), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

i mean i've always sorta felt like 2 and 3 were just sorta "here is the Alien story, with a slightly different (action! apocalyptic!) angle on it

4 was like HI ITS THE 90S

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 19 March 2012 22:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think the jeunet 4 is kinda good, idk. it's a cable staple now, nobody gives a fuck about 3 anymore

goole, Monday, 19 March 2012 22:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 is awesome

the late great, Monday, 19 March 2012 22:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

i really gotta go watch all of them again, if i can (i've seen 1 & 2 so many times)

watched predator last night btw, à cause de l'action poll. fuck that is a terrific movie. only real flaw is that shot of the predator walking off while arnie is first caked in mud, he just looks wayyy too much like a dude skipping through the forest

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think the jeunet 4 is kinda good, idk. it's a cable staple now, nobody gives a fuck about 3 anymore

and the pupil becomes the master

catbus otm (gbx), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

"cable staples" could be a pretty good movie thread

the late great, Monday, 19 March 2012 22:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

should be stratified by era imo

catbus otm (gbx), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

James Cameron going on a "they killed Newt / I will never forgive them" tirade.

you act like cameron is the only guy who thought that sucked

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

i mean i've always sorta felt like 2 and 3 were just sorta "here is the Alien story, with a slightly different (action! apocalyptic!) angle on it

4 was like HI ITS THE 90S

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, March 19, 2012 10:23 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

Conmetheus (latebloomer), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think alien 3's actually pretty good.

Conmetheus (latebloomer), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

This is how it goes:

Alien: Fantastic
Aliens: Sequel perfection--everything is "bigger/louder/more", but done intelligently and with beautiful design work that fits with and expands the world/universe glimpsed in the first film
Alien3: interesting ideas, hopelessly compromised production, flawed but surprisingly good film (especially the not-really-director's-cut)
Alien Resurrection: get that shit away from me, made me hate Joss Whedon and his idiot fans ever since

Not only dermatologists hate her (James Morrison), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:42 (2 years ago) Permalink


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