Is this anti-semitism?

Like trying to explain French anti-Semitism as somehow being a result of French secularism, or French anti-religious sentiment is an attempt to elide historical trends in inexplicable French anti-Semitism that span political movements, cultural shifts, and chronicity.

^ otm

is an attempt to elide historical trends

I'm not eliding it at all, merely pointing out newer expressions of anti-semitism in French culture that don't fit into the traditional, Catholic kind.

I've heard ppl openly sneer at someone for sounding like he was from the Sentier (working-class area of Paris which had a large Jewish population) and even heard batshit things like Jaguars are a Jewish (and therefore uncool) vehicle. There's a lot of snobbery in white French anti-semitism but it's not that often that it turns murderous.

historical trends in inexplicable French anti-Semitism that span political movements, cultural shifts, and chronicity.

what are these?

seems like contemporary french anti-semitism originates from several overlapping but not entirely related zones, the "ugh why can't you just be a normal agnostic french person" secular-chauvinist sentiment is just one of them

start here, read down to bottom of the page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_France#Expulsions_and_returns

i'm not sure that stuff is all that "inexplicable" - seems like a lot of power plays

http://www.amazon.com/Lantis%C3%A9mitisme-France-dans-lentre-deux-guerres-Pr%C3%A9lude/dp/2804800504

This is the older French anti-semitism

thanks michel xp

The police think our killer was not a 'pro'. He used a 9mm and then a 45 caliber after the first gun jammed.

Thirty years of anti-semitic attacks in France (in French)

Our killer, if these can be linked, has killed 4 Jews, three Arabs and a black guy.

Is there any reason to believe it's the same person behind all three?

France only has one murderer at a time

There's a very strong suspicion that the killer is the same guy who killed some Foreign Legionnaires in Toulouse and Montauban recently.

Really this statement is only interesting if you associate with the French criminal underground and they're speculating in whispers about who the killer is, and this is a Batman movie and Christian Bale is currently interrogating you.

Is there any reason to believe it's the same person behind all three?

It's being reported that the same weapon was used, although i'm not sure that's 100% confirmed.

Live reports are saying that it's the same calibre weapon, rather that the same weapon necessarily, but the same stolen scooter.

same caliber weapon is meaningless, same scooter is hmmm

Ok, The Guardian is now saying it was the same gun.

when i was in France during the mid-1990s, i was struck by how open many French people were wr2 their dislike of and bigotry towards Arabs. so it isn't only the Jews that the French appear to dislike.

Same modus operandi, same scooter, same gun (according to the police) - it looks very much like the same guy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17446999

Police hunting a gunman suspected of killing seven people in southern France are laying siege to a flat in Toulouse.

The man, named as Mohammed Merah, 24, a Frenchman of Algerian origin, has said he belongs to al-Qaeda and acted to "avenge Palestinian children".

This is gonna be awful.

I was in Toulouse when the first killings were happening, fwiw. I had an interesting if unconnected conversation with a local who said things like what Michael White & goole have been saying here.

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/65425/ken-livingstone-jews-wont-vote-labour-because-they-are-rich

anti-semetic and stupid. i don't know if it's true in the UK (i imagine it is) but Jews love voting for labour parties!

i think what mr livingstone meant to say was that Jews won't vote for him because he's an anti-semite

oh, he's otm then

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4746016.stm

here's some of his classic earlier material

Not sure the 'Nazi jibe' was as bad as was made out in the press, although failing to apologise was pig-headed. The other comments, if recorded accurately, are incredibly stupid - particularly given how important Jewish voters and activists have always been to Labour in London.

French authorities have corned the suspected gunman in Monday's killing of three children and a rabbi outside a Jewish school in Toulouse, France. The police identified the suspect as Mohammed Merah, a 24-year-old Muslim citizen of France of Algeria descent. About 300 police officers have cordoned off an apartment building where they traced Merah. The suspect has been participating in negotiations with the police and said he will turn himself in this afternoon. He told negotiators that he belonged to al Qaeda and that the attack was conducted in retaliation for the killing of Palestinian children and French military intervention abroad. Authorities also suspect Maher for two other attacks in which three soldiers were killed.

why does he morph into Bill Maher at the end of the paragraph

this is all gonna end well isn't it

i think the events that have already transpired preclude our calling any ending of this 'well.'

I look forward to the flood of self-righteous screeds about the importance of French secularism

i look forward to the explanations of how this is israel's fault

yeah that too

i'm so fucking upset. i've been depressed about this since yesterday.

Extremists must stop using the Palestinian cause to justify their acts of violence, Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad said on Wednesday after a deadly attack on a French Jewish school.

"It is time for these criminals to stop marketing their terrorist acts in the name of Palestine and to stop pretending to stand up for the rights of Palestinian children who only ask for a decent life," the Palestinian premier said in a statement.

Good for Fayyad saying this.

I look forward to lots of poorly justified anti-Arab rhetoric in the upcoming presidential election.

This will likely help Sarkozy but I find this whole kinda discourse pretty gross. Like with that AUF shooting. Everyone figures out what identity of the killer would be most helpful to their political ambitions, then root for finding out that they were right. If you were right, you get to mock the other side for hoping that it wasn't their guy. It's a pretty fucking sick and ethically hollow way to live. I guess human beings need this distance, though, otherwise life would be really painful. Or maybe pundits/columnists/politicians are all just assholes.

Even Hollande has come out strongly for reducing legal immigration (which is code for no more Arabs or blacks - 'we have enough') and though this might help Sarko, it might help Marine Le Pen, too.

http://www.salon.com/2012/03/21/the_strange_case_of_the_toulouse_shooter/

Merah is dead

"Anyone who regularly consults Internet sites which promote terror or hatred or violence will be sentenced to prison," -Nicolas Sarkozy

so, who will be in charge of sorting out the acceptable forms of political dissent.

is it anti-semitic to think that David Brooks is an embarrassment to Jews?

^^^srs question, btw. If yes, I gotta work on that.

I'm getting sick of the "Arab" thing. Where are all of the Islamic extremists? Well - these are the same people who used "communists" twenty years ago.

Also, are sororities anti-Semitic if they don't have any Jews in them? This is discussion I had with a family member the other day. I say "yes".

it's anti-semitic not to, quincie

^^^^such a relief.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/04/dnc-staffers-facebook-photo-causes-controversy-119770.html
http://freebeacon.com/democrats-jew-cash-money-team/

(not actually asking if that's anti-semitic)