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scotch prices in america are alas far more reasonable than those of fancy non-EU liquors here, else i would try more

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Sunday, 18 March 2012 22:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Has anyone else been following the ongoing Buffalo Trace insanity, not just the Van Winkle stuff but the so-called "Antique Collection" as well? Prices have gone utterly bonkers.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, I think it'll sort itself out in the same way Lagavulin did - it gets talked up in a lot of circles, novices seek it out as collection worthy or a name thing, price makes the former core audience move to other comparable products, prices level back out.

Unfortunate that a product with a 4 to 23 year production cycle is so fundamentally ill equipped to ride out supply/demand cycles.

I DIED, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

to be fair to them, whiskey production has ramped up in the last few years since the trend was anticipated, but demand for bourbon in 2012 is still outstripping the supply

mh, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

I hear that Knob Creek are launching a rye. Has anyone encountered it yet?

brain (krakow), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 22:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

Has anyone else been following the ongoing Buffalo Trace insanity, not just the Van Winkle stuff but the so-called "Antique Collection" as well? Prices have gone utterly bonkers.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, April 4, 2012 2:38 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh definitely. spring van winkle allocation was pretty rough, i think at least one store owner straight up lied to me about their allocation. btac thankfully is nowhere near as bad, and the only van winkle worth coveting at this point is the 20 year and the rye.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 5 April 2012 00:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

I want to say it was less than a year ago that I was still able to find the 15 for $50. Now it goes for, what, $200+ dollars?

Do any of you have any good recommendation for any of the single barrel small batch whiskeys being churned out, like the Knob Creek single barrel? Has anyone tried the Woodford Reserve Double Oak?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 April 2012 01:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah idk last time i saw van winkle sitting on the shelves around here was winter 2009. it's been a dogfight since then.

knob creek sb is cool if you like knob creek....at 120 proof i thought it was kind of a fatiguing whiskey. i don't like the creek that much.

not tried the woodford yet. at this point i'm skeptical. best sb's imo are still coming from four roses--i haven't checked recently but am guessing binny's carries all the recipes.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 5 April 2012 01:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

I find all the various Four Roses combos kind of exhausting. Too expensive to experiment. I guess the generic sb is around $40, and the small batch $30. But everything else tops $50.

Had Angel's Envy?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 April 2012 01:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

4 letters for you: OESQ

no angel's envy that i've seen in these parts, unfortunately.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 5 April 2012 02:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

I cant find Van Winkle anywhere. Havent had it in years.

You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Monday, 9 April 2012 21:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

I can only find Winkle 23, which is priced on a good day what the other bottles go on the secondary market.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 April 2012 21:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

i picked up a bottle of bruichladdich 10-year and glenmorangie artein yesterday... the artein (a blend of 15 & 21 year finished in wine casks) is really good, and way richer-tasting than the original. not sure about the bruichladdich - may need to try it with water. every review i read RAVES about it, but it tasted kind of waxy and flat to me. it's not bad at all, just not that exciting.

how did we get here how? (ytth), Monday, 14 May 2012 03:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

I remembered that there was a shortage of rittenhouse 100 so when I saw a bottle today I grabbed it

dayo, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 01:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

Just opened a bottle of Ardbeg 10, hoping that it will considerably improve my quality of life.

only NWOFHM! is real (krakow), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

well, has it?

navihchkan (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'll tell you in the morning...

only NWOFHM! is real (krakow), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

Rittenhouse abounds here. Amazing how much distro differs from place to place.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

ardbeg 10 is a beast

sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

Ardbeg is my favorite scotch. All the bottlings are great but the Uigeadail's my current preference.

I DIED, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

I've been wanting to pick up the Uigeadail for a long time, but I've held off until I fly and can get it relatively reasonably at the excellent whisky shop in Glasgow airport; sadly, lack of holidays for several years has made it quite some wait already...

only NWOFHM! is real (krakow), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think it's helping. At the very least I'm not wanting to go to bed and instead am wishing the night were longer, to give more time for enjoying such fine whisky! Maybe that's not a good thing though.

only NWOFHM! is real (krakow), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

i have no whisky tonight and i would suggest your quality of life is better than mine upon discovering that even the shitawful supermarket brandy is all gone too

navihchkan (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

next whisky im gonna get is cask strength tho, probably an islay

navihchkan (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

got a bottle of some family produced stuff from a castle in clare, its good, v irish but soft with it.

pet tommy & the barkhaters (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

buffalo trace is a fantastic bargain for the money imo

Steve Youngblood (dan m), Thursday, 17 May 2012 00:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

finished off my ardbeg airigh nam beist two nights ago. it was cool but i only felt like drinking it once every six months.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 17 May 2012 02:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

keep wanting to buy another bottle of Bakers

mh, Thursday, 17 May 2012 15:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'm having jameson with my müsli, it's not bad

sonderangerbot, Friday, 18 May 2012 15:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Warning! Warning! Rye shortage is imminent!

They're predicting a two year (relative) drought, followed by a market flood, so stock up now.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 June 2012 11:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

source?

call all destroyer, Thursday, 21 June 2012 12:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

I thought we were already in a (relative) drought?

*calculates the likely cost of a case of Rittenhouse 100, based on last price seen*

i like slash and i vote (j.lu), Thursday, 21 June 2012 17:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

rye popularity was somewhat anticipated but I think demand's outstripping supply. they have to spot possible trends so many years out, when it comes to aging liquors...

mh, Thursday, 21 June 2012 17:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

i just wrote some stuff about whisky wanna read it

funny-skrillex-bee_132455836669.gif (s1ocki), Thursday, 21 June 2012 17:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

Also, rye (the grain) is apparently selling at an all-time high, around 50% higher than last year and about 125% higher than 5 years ago. And I've noticed the price of Rittenhouse creeping up.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 June 2012 17:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

yes, slocki, I do

mh, Thursday, 21 June 2012 17:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

I can't get to said site from work. Is askmen.com a "men's blog?"

mh, Thursday, 21 June 2012 17:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

ehhh apologies to a couple bartenders in san francisco but that article is not actually based in fact at all;

- it's well known that michter's 10-year rye was a limited supply of mysterious aged stock that was unlikely to be replaced (and was a lot older than 10 years).

- no one has been able to get van winkle rye for like 5 years, the allocations are miniscule

- wild turkey 101 is basically going away but they're releasing an 81 proof rye that is getting a big marketing push

- rittenhouse still drops about twice a year and heaven hill has been increasing rittenhouse production steadily for a while now

- willet has released a ton of 3-5 year rye to the market in the last year and it's great for mixing

- jim beam has been rolling out knob creek rye for a couple months now, which is a 100-proof rye that is going to have pretty stable stocks because that's what beam does

- no mention at all of sazerac which fluctuates in availability but isn't actually going anywhere

around here at least, unless youre a huge fan of wild turkey 101 rye, things are considerably better than they were 2 years ago.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 21 June 2012 17:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

bulleit rye, although I have no strong opinions about it, is a newer product and seems to be available most of the time, too

mh, Thursday, 21 June 2012 17:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

yup. i mean a lot of people will be in trouble if the ldi/indiana rye dries up (bulleit, willet, redemption, high west, 4 or 5 other weirdo brands) but i haven't seen any indication of that happening.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 21 June 2012 17:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

- no one has been able to get van winkle rye for like 5 years, the allocations are miniscule

?? really? thats weird they had some at my liquor store in london

just sayin, Thursday, 21 June 2012 17:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

my understanding is that there's a ton of van winkle all over europe (relatively speaking). but in the usa there has been a runaway freight train of van winkle hype and it disappears as soon as it's dropped.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 21 June 2012 17:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah that must be it. theyve even had it behind the bar at a few pubs ive been to recently

just sayin, Thursday, 21 June 2012 17:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

I can't remember if it applies to all Van Winkle products, but I read that the current family member basically walks around the distillery sampling barrels and picks select ones to blend to make their product. Used to be Stitzel-Weller, now it's Buffalo Trace.

mh, Thursday, 21 June 2012 17:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah booze blogger i read was in glasgow recently drinking big pours of pappy 20 for like 8 pounds which is completely ludicrous to any american who pays attention to this stuff

call all destroyer, Thursday, 21 June 2012 17:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

mh there is debate about the extent to which the van winkles are actually involved in blending but otherwise yup that's correct for the bourbon.

the rye is a mingling of two aged stocks from distilleries that no longer exist. it's been sitting in a steel tank for like 10 years. supposedly they're going to start topping that tank up with buffalo trace rye over the next couple years.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 21 June 2012 17:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

Bars have no real prob getting Pappy.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 June 2012 18:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

well bars stand a lot better chance of getting it than consumers, that's true

call all destroyer, Thursday, 21 June 2012 18:03 (1 year ago) Permalink


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