Burton and Depp keep on Burtoning and Depping in...Dark Shadows!

i agree with all the criticisms here but i still think j dog looks kinda hilarious

I saw and enjoyed Ultraviolet in the theaters, I have no real basis to object to anything resembling this movie

which will be worse, this or The Lone Ranger?

You guys took his version of AIW way too seriously, if has destroyed the original story for you.

On the one hand, I agree with you
On the other hand, did you not actually watch the fudderwacken

on the one hand stfu

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I don't think I take it *too seriously*

But honestly how do you take a children's story that has been successfully adapted many times including a version that featured Carol goddamn Channing, and then turn into a stultifying heroin goth navelgaze

with a bloody FUDDERWACKEN

... was that a continuation of the rhetorical question or an answer

lol I'm tired

you shut up too :)

it's an answer, clearly

Carol goddamn Channing was great in that adaptation btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-MLwPW86Rs

^^^OTM

def one of the better adaptations

this looks fun! stupid, silly, but potentially entertaining, and i do love johnny depp, so sign me up. i'm kind of a burton apologist, though. i find even his worst films sort of "diverting" or at least generically "watchable". i'm a sucker for elaborate production design, gothic atmosphere, eye candy in general, and at the very least, he knows how to keep things moving colorfully along.

through a distended poop chute

I would be more inclined to watch this if it starred Depp and Carol Channing.

the comic timing on this looks really sharp. thats most of the battle there. "dude from the past cannot comprehend our modern doodads" humor still works for me tbh. i'm much cooler with stale 70s pop culture jokes than i am with the fucking fudderwaken. and pfeiffer, hbc and green all look like they're havin some fun. peace

man see u

Most times, I'd rather watch stupid fun than some serious brooding bs.

Also, the 1972 date made me think of "Dracula AD 1972"

shit this movie looks pretty fun

xxpost I was not besmirching Carol in that AIW adaptation, it's near and dear to my heart!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgIBGjXIoEs

Between that and this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-UMlJhgQbY

Carol Channing scared the shit out of me when I was a kid.

I loved her, but she was def weird as a kid growing up in the 80's

from best to worst:

Beetlejuice
Ed Wood
Edward Scissorhands
Pee-Wee's Big Adventure
Big Fish
Mars Attacks
Batman Returns
Sleepy Hollow
Batman
Corpse Bride
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
Alice in Wonderland
Sweeney Todd
Planet of the Apes

obviously you can kind of imagine how I'd describe his overall career trajectory.
i'm not much of a burton fan, but surprisingly it's really only the last five on that list that i pointedly never want to see again. i kind of liked big fish.

I'd put Sweeney in top 10 but otherwise I pretty much agree

i'd switch alice and apes around, and put batman returns a few spots higher

i dunno alice had the worst shit of his career but also some nice stuff in it. apes was just bad bad bad bad.

I'm too afraid to even see Apes.

Just catching up with this and I feel no love for Tim Burton but I'll say that Mars Attacks and Ed Wood are pretty all-time. Edward Scissorhands has some great moments - mostly Winona Ryder in the ice-sculpture snow with that Danny Elfman score - but I've never loved it like others have. Sleepy Hollow is solid and fun iirc, but I haven't seen it since it came out and however many years can really change a man. Dark Shadows looks pretty stupid but it can go either way (fun! or FUCKING TEDIOUS SHIT).

Biggest takeaway from all of this is

I was about 9 when "Dark Shadows" was huge and never gave a shit about it. Boring. So again, what is the allure of reworking something that has no cultural currency with the "target demo"?

Morbs is now annoyed that Hollywood isn't making something for the "target demo"

btw if this is terrible I will be disappointed if there isn't a review headline along the lines of "Plumbing the Depps"

in a way apes is the worst kind of bad movie - excruciatingly boring. but alice outright offended me with its badness. apes at least had some great ape makeup.

sleepy hollow's kinda fun, chivo lubezki is really its secret weapon though

yeah i don't anyone involved in the PotA remake really felt good about it. burton says it was the low point of his career. everybody just seems to wish it hadn't happened. maybe they'll say the same about alice in ten years, i dunno.

alice made more than a billion dollars theatrically, so probably not

I saw Apes when it came out, didn't read any reviews, just met up w friends beforehand and got slightly toasted. I had a blast.

"Batman Returns" is the best Burton imo. Recently I was showing someone clips of it on youtube and we ended up practically watching the entire thing that way.

ed wood is just such a special movie to me, it is so perfect.

beetlejuice and pee wee's are also all-time. those are my top 3 i guess.

much of pee wee is totally out of what became tim burton's artistic "character." i like the tonal and visual looseness, the fact that he doesn't think to control every element of the mise-en-scene.

I also think Pee Wee works well because there was already a really specific framework for him to work within, Pee Wee's Playhouse already had its look, and Burton put a great shine to it. Not to say Burton didn't do anything, but like with Sweeney Todd (and I know there's dissension on that but w/e), the bones are established enough to not tempt him to fuck with them. Which is why Alice in Wonderland pisses me off so much. He would have done a much better job leaving well enough alone.

ya it's a great collaboration, is what it feels like. xp

wait i believe pee wee's playhouse post-dated PWBA.

but i don't think the movie (except for a few passages) looks anything like the TV show!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOGWbzUM-y8

this was comedy GOLD when i was seven

but i don't think the movie (except for a few passages) looks anything like the TV show!

― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, March 17, 2012 6:42 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this too

'PWBA' is just about perfect.

Even if Large Marge and "Tequila" had been the only funny things in the movie it might still be all-time, but yeah, it's amazing from start to finish.

http://www.caseengaines.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Large-Marge.jpg