Luck: HBO series: David Milch, Dustin Hoffman, Michael Mann

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Mann's a genius, too

oh rlly

Ali, The Insider, Collateral... jeezus, up there w/ the best of Renoir

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

shhh go watch e.t.

lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

Heat was at least like a nutty 3-hour condensation of these endless HBO shows you guys love

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

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lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

yah remy did

― lag∞n, Friday, March 16, 2012 1:29 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if im parsing his pretend hollywood insider schtick correctly

― lag∞n, Friday, March 16, 2012 1:30 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

he said hes ALSO terrifying and etc., which means he agrees with the genius premise

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Trigger lived through Son of Paleface

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

His legend - like, say, Lynch's - eclipses his outputs

I realize josh and remy are just having a v strange convoluted conversation but still

lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

the insider is better than anything spielberg has done in the last 25 years or so tbh

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

jeez war horse right up there with renoir

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

i dont think thats inconsistent with geniushood - mann hasnt made a Great movie in years and years - just some interesting ones

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

many of my favourite geniuses do tons of horrible shit

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

(altman, spielberg, mann, de palma...)

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

wild inconsistency is almost a defining feature of genius

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

s1ocki, we've prob been over this; I bet your films are better than the crap you like.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

weve been over this

lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

slocki

lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

that's like whatever the opposite of a backhanded compliment is :D

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

patiently waiting for you to arrange a screening for me btw!

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

morbs you realize i like probably 90% of what you like, there's just like... other stuff i like too

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

i dont think thats inconsistent with geniushood - mann hasnt made a Great movie in years and years - just some interesting ones

is 'heat' the Great one?

Lamp, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

morbs can't resist dead horses

polyphonic, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh shiiiiiiiiiiii

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

Mann has been making the same great movie in different iterations since "Thief."

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

“A director makes only one movie in his life. Then he breaks it into pieces and makes it again.” -Jean Renoir

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Here's the infamously fascinating New Yorker piece, btw:

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/02/14/050214fa_fact_singer

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

And while it's pointless to argue with Morbs ... Morbs, even you have to admire Mann's formal gifts, right? Even if you for some reason disdain his philosophical/thematic stuff? And even then, I can't believe you'd say a bad thing about "The Insider," one of the best movies of the legendary 1999 slate.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Heat and Collateral are pretty much untouchable. Basically Josh OTM. Even if there are lots of irritating bits or silly soap-ish themes or etc. there are still at least a few amazing redeeming shots and moments which are stone classic.

s.clover, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

Heat is really great. I kind of think he almost gets a lifetime pass for that. But he has made some dire shit, like Last of the Mohicans.

akm, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

to be fair, consider the source material: http://etext.virginia.edu/railton/projects/rissetto/offense.html

s.clover, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Both of these guys would be satisfied being the cinematic/TV equivalent of Herman Melville, who had a career of duds but also did Moby Dick.

"marvellously inoffensive" (Eazy), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

and you know Bartleby and The Confidence-Man and whatever...

s.clover, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think anyone would be satisfied being the herman melville of whatever artistic field

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

god it would be amazing if "we've been over this" actually resolved conversations on ilx

some dude, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

“A director makes only one movie in his life. Then he breaks it into pieces and makes it again.” -Jean Renoir

Mann should stop after "breaks it into pieces."

Last of the Mohicans was all right. His spiffy-looking stuff since then is like liquor ads minus the content.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol

have you seen the insider tho morbs? it really is terrif.

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

the Luck opening credits really do look like a liquor ad, kinda turns me off the show

some dude, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

what turns me off is the way they wrap every episode shoot by slitting a horse's throat

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

u know what turns me on, bathing in horses blood tbqh

lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

I prefer going the Full Bathory.

"Last of the Mohicans" may be the only Mann i like exclusively for its formal "Barry Lyndon"-y elements. Also, the fact that they didn't kill people for real in the battle scenes.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Godfather could've been better if the beheaded horse had been killed specifically for the production, and footage of the slaying had been integrated into the film

some dude, Friday, 16 March 2012 19:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

sorry that post was obv meant for the comedy movie poll

some dude, Friday, 16 March 2012 19:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

This is Luck's precedent, from Mann's side:

"marvellously inoffensive" (Eazy), Friday, 16 March 2012 19:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

where the hell is the Miami Vice contingent?

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 16 March 2012 19:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

sipping mojitos

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 19:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

we are fiends for mojitos

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 16 March 2012 19:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

ya, or fiending for them

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 19:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

I got a shout-out tweet from Cochi Loco after complimenting him on Luck.

"marvellously inoffensive" (Eazy), Friday, 16 March 2012 19:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

mohicans is one of mann's best movies, and better than anything he's done in the last decade

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 16 March 2012 19:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

its not even up for discussion

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 16 March 2012 19:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

*tries to discuss it*

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 19:42 (2 years ago) Permalink


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