he grew up working for the casket company and my grandpa made tombstones
lol
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2012 05:59 (twelve years ago) link
Yeaaaaah, that seems kinda fitting for Indiana. A good deal more than half of the population in my mom's town is 50 or older.
― Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 16 March 2012 06:06 (twelve years ago) link
suitably gothic imo
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2012 06:10 (twelve years ago) link
i mean tbh i always read heston's brownface as welles just highlighting (oof) the pulpy artifice of the entire project. granted i was mad lifted the first time i saw it.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, March 15, 2012 9:40 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah, this. that's exactly how i take it, and i've only ever seen the movie straight (a tragedy that i intend to rectify as soon as possible).
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Friday, 16 March 2012 06:34 (twelve years ago) link
Indiana wasn't all bad. I really enjoyed our weekend trips hunting for records and Bloomington was a great place, nice vibes and great food. Even in small towns we found friendly people, Vincennes, Jasper, even Evansville, and Indianapolis had shops with nice people. But when the people were unfriendly it was icy cold. The most shocking thing was an old farmer recommending Tera go work on a chicken farm with the other Mexicans.
― JacobSanders, Friday, 16 March 2012 07:33 (twelve years ago) link
Big Hoos, otm...
Deric, when I speak of the racism I felt in Indiana, it was what I experienced in Evansville, Petersburg and Washington. New Harmony was great, Terra Haute, Indianapolis and Bloomington, Vincennes were all places I enjoyed. Unfortunately, we spent Monday-Friday in the Petersburg area and had only the weekend to venture out and hang in other places.
I must say though, it was hard not to notice all the cemeteries traveling from town to town.
― *tera, Friday, 16 March 2012 07:38 (twelve years ago) link
Snippet of overheard conversation among coworkers (Bloomington townies) about a decade ago:
-I didn't hear you say something bad about the KKK, did I?-Nah, not me, man.
Needless to say, I was outta that job like a fucking flash. The further you get from the student-y parts of town, the creepier it gets.
― Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 16 March 2012 07:41 (twelve years ago) link
You take the good, you take the bad. You take 'em both and there you have the facts of racial tolerance in Indiana, the facts of racial tolerance in Indiana.
― Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 16 March 2012 07:45 (twelve years ago) link
there you have the facts of racial tolerance in Indiana, the facts of racial tolerance in Indiana.
is this a song
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2012 07:46 (twelve years ago) link
oh i get it
While I gave Nacho Libre a chance, I was a different person.
^ nomination for favorite sentence on ILX this year
― I DIED, Friday, 16 March 2012 07:52 (twelve years ago) link
Wow!
― *tera, Friday, 16 March 2012 07:52 (twelve years ago) link
I grew up with my mother and grandmother watching a lot of novelas, and something that parodies those same beats (with Will Ferrell, no less!) has the potential to make me laugh pretty hard. But are other people's laughs going to come from the same places? Or will they come from pure derision?
Thinking about this some more, like--I might laugh at a parody of a novela because I recognize it as mocking the familiar (to me) silly tropes of a novela. I think Will Ferrell (or whoever) might argue that those silly tropes are kinda universally recognized as silly; that "worth laughing at" is "worth laughing at" no matter whose culture it originates from. And I guess the counterargument to that is something about power relations--that there's an ethical weight to the history of power relations between two groups, and the history of whites holding power over Mexicans means that their laughter at Mexican culture always has that weight behind it?
I don't know if this is totally the wrong thread for this, obviously I'm kinda thinking out loud and figuring this out as I go. These are complicated issues for me personally, but I'm trying to work through them to come out the other side with some kind of more widely applicable analysis.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2012 07:54 (twelve years ago) link
Ha! I was though...
― *tera, Friday, 16 March 2012 07:54 (twelve years ago) link
haha
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2012 07:56 (twelve years ago) link
also where is max or cr?m to puncture all my illusions of cultural ownership and authenticity
Several layers of complications. Then there is what it means to me vs how it is perceived. How often I have thrown out and ignored how it is perceived only to have that be the main focus later on...
― *tera, Friday, 16 March 2012 07:59 (twelve years ago) link
Right??
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2012 08:01 (twelve years ago) link
This is all very important to me, since I'm having a daughter soon and though I don't know what she will look like yet, she will be biracial. I fear the day when either kids make fun of her for speaking spanish and having pale skin or blue eyes and having my last name or having darker skin with my last name and speaking english well. I am hopeful that this won't be a problem for my daughter, but I remember how cruel other kids can be.
― JacobSanders, Friday, 16 March 2012 08:05 (twelve years ago) link
this is a pretty good writeup of Casa:
http://www.salon.com/2012/03/16/pick_of_the_week_will_ferrells_incredibly_strange_mexican_adventure/singleton/
..and of course I say that as someone who hasn't seen it speaking to other people who haven't seen it.
― I DIED, Friday, 16 March 2012 08:10 (twelve years ago) link
Making fun of stereotypes can be hilarious and sort of a relief, but when there's the chance it reinforces those stereotypes it becomes scary to me.
― JacobSanders, Friday, 16 March 2012 08:11 (twelve years ago) link
i definitely plan to see the movie fwiw
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2012 08:28 (twelve years ago) link
Me too
― JacobSanders, Friday, 16 March 2012 08:32 (twelve years ago) link
Big Hoos, ever discussed whether Cri-Cri's songs were racist or not? I have actually had that discussion on a board once.
― *tera, Friday, 16 March 2012 09:03 (twelve years ago) link
the only amusing thing I've seen in any of the Casa trailers was Nick Offerman asking Will Ferrell if he spoke English and Ferrell responding in Spanish "No sir, I do not speak any English." Which was dumb.
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Friday, 16 March 2012 13:47 (twelve years ago) link
He doesn't say "English" he says "American" -- v different!
― Laura Lucy Lynn (La Lechera), Friday, 16 March 2012 13:49 (twelve years ago) link
ah right; I only saw it once
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Friday, 16 March 2012 13:53 (twelve years ago) link
I just saw a guy wearing a t-shirt that said "Did I really just ask A MEXICAN for directions?!"
http://busblog.tonypierce.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/icecreamtruckdancerssj1.jpg
― flag post sitta (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 16 March 2012 14:06 (twelve years ago) link
somehow i knew the "re-nig" sticker would already be here but i checked anyway...
― Wesley Crusher: Teenage F#ck Machine (forksclovetofu), Friday, 16 March 2012 14:23 (twelve years ago) link
i feel for obese-americans slighted by Welles' wearing of fatface in that movie
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Friday, 16 March 2012 14:23 (twelve years ago) link
something about the fact will ferrell and the directors being the only prominent non Hispanics in the cast/crew (and the involvement of many well known Latinos) would suggest at least superficially that the movie is not out and out racist. I think it looks like it has potential at least
― catbus otm (gbx), Friday, 16 March 2012 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/g.OsYOoqqxp3wgdxSGI4.Q--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/thesideshow/bumpersticker.jpg
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
oh what the FUCK
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
― Wesley Crusher: Teenage F#ck Machine (forksclovetofu), Friday, March 16, 2012 2:23 PM (6 hours ago)
― Wesley Crusher: Teenage F#ck Machine (forksclovetofu), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
alas I did not lol
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
seriously WHAT THE FUCK
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
it's a delightful play on the word "renege" do u c
― Wesley Crusher: Teenage F#ck Machine (forksclovetofu), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
goes well with "my other car is also an asshole"
I can't see much besides red at the moment
brb, angrily posting on Facebook
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
I'd feel pretty okay about the owner of that car getting eaten by wolves.
― Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
About 85,600 results (0.19 seconds)
― flag post sitta (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
21 "news" articles about racist picture on Facebook
https://news.google.com/news/more?q=%22don't+re-nig%22&hl=en&prmd=imvnsu&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&ix=seb&ion=1&biw=2088&bih=1264&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ncl=dP0EGG-qrF6fEVMH-H_lGRDANyE6M&ei=4KVjT62QCYr50gGbgam1Cg&sa=X&oi=news_result&ct=more-results&resnum=1&ved=0CCsQqgIwAA
― flag post sitta (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
courtesy of Stumpy's Stickers
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
whose server has crashed, apparently
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
Bumper stickers have long been a common way for drivers to show opposition or support for political candidates. -- The Daily Beast
― flag post sitta (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
8,560 comments on HuffPo on picture someone posted to Facebook
― flag post sitta (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
"powered by zen cart"
― Wesley Crusher: Teenage F#ck Machine (forksclovetofu), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
I don't really think that sticker belongs in this thread. The only possible way you could doubt the racist intent behind it is if you were blind. But even then, blind people's other senses are supposed to compensate for their lack of sight, so I'm sure some of them would pick up on the virulence with their racehate-dar.
― Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
we've already been over how this is more of a "This is racist!" thread than it's title would suggest
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
just saw this on DJP's FB. Words fail me. I google image searched to see if there was anymore and just... wow
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 16 March 2012 23:54 (twelve years ago) link