Luck: HBO series: David Milch, Dustin Hoffman, Michael Mann

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Dude wants to live up to Robert Penn Warren's ambritions.

"marvellously inoffensive" (Eazy), Friday, 16 March 2012 05:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Needs cartoon bat.

"marvellously inoffensive" (Eazy), Friday, 16 March 2012 05:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

We Eat Horses, Don't We?

"marvellously inoffensive" (Eazy), Friday, 16 March 2012 10:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

As always, I highly recommend folks dig up that New Yorker profile of Milch. He's likely a bona fide genius (even if I think his output outside of Deadwood has been erratic). Mann's a genius, too, but he arrived at it through sheer hard work, which perhaps explains why he's been so much more successful. He's less beholden to a muse and more able to simply buckle down and do what needs to be done.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 March 2012 11:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

Link?

I Fucked Up (jer.fairall), Friday, 16 March 2012 14:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

lets get real here folks, this show was canceled because no ones watching it

lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 15:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

I thought that at first but not so sure. There's fewer people watching Enlightened and it's still on. Treme is in its third season and was drawing about the same numbers as Luck from what I've heard.

I mean I guess it was a combo of bad PR + expensive to produce + ratings not that great. But I don't really think HBO was just looking for an out here.

dmr, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Even if not that many people watched it was still a "prestige show" and Dustin Hoffman's first ever TV gig

dmr, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

Enlightened probably doesn't cost 1/20th of what Luck does.

akm, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Mann's a genius, too, but he arrived at it through sheer hard work, which perhaps explains why he's been so much more successful.

He's also terrifying, and a careerist of the first magnitude. His legend - like, say, Lynch's - eclipses his outputs.

aka vanilla bean (remy bean), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

and kills 1/20th of the horses

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think laura dern is going to slit a horse's throat in the season opener

akm, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

mann is a genius fuiud

lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

no one suggested he wasnt?

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

yah remy did

lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

if im parsing his pretend hollywood insider schtick correctly

lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

Mann's a genius, too

oh rlly

Ali, The Insider, Collateral... jeezus, up there w/ the best of Renoir

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

shhh go watch e.t.

lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

Heat was at least like a nutty 3-hour condensation of these endless HBO shows you guys love

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

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lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

yah remy did

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if im parsing his pretend hollywood insider schtick correctly

― lag∞n, Friday, March 16, 2012 1:30 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

he said hes ALSO terrifying and etc., which means he agrees with the genius premise

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Trigger lived through Son of Paleface

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

His legend - like, say, Lynch's - eclipses his outputs

I realize josh and remy are just having a v strange convoluted conversation but still

lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

the insider is better than anything spielberg has done in the last 25 years or so tbh

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

jeez war horse right up there with renoir

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

i dont think thats inconsistent with geniushood - mann hasnt made a Great movie in years and years - just some interesting ones

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

many of my favourite geniuses do tons of horrible shit

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

(altman, spielberg, mann, de palma...)

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

wild inconsistency is almost a defining feature of genius

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

s1ocki, we've prob been over this; I bet your films are better than the crap you like.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

weve been over this

lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

slocki

lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

that's like whatever the opposite of a backhanded compliment is :D

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

patiently waiting for you to arrange a screening for me btw!

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

morbs you realize i like probably 90% of what you like, there's just like... other stuff i like too

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

i dont think thats inconsistent with geniushood - mann hasnt made a Great movie in years and years - just some interesting ones

is 'heat' the Great one?

Lamp, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

morbs can't resist dead horses

polyphonic, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh shiiiiiiiiiiii

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

Mann has been making the same great movie in different iterations since "Thief."

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

“A director makes only one movie in his life. Then he breaks it into pieces and makes it again.” -Jean Renoir

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Here's the infamously fascinating New Yorker piece, btw:

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/02/14/050214fa_fact_singer

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

And while it's pointless to argue with Morbs ... Morbs, even you have to admire Mann's formal gifts, right? Even if you for some reason disdain his philosophical/thematic stuff? And even then, I can't believe you'd say a bad thing about "The Insider," one of the best movies of the legendary 1999 slate.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Heat and Collateral are pretty much untouchable. Basically Josh OTM. Even if there are lots of irritating bits or silly soap-ish themes or etc. there are still at least a few amazing redeeming shots and moments which are stone classic.

s.clover, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

Heat is really great. I kind of think he almost gets a lifetime pass for that. But he has made some dire shit, like Last of the Mohicans.

akm, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

to be fair, consider the source material: http://etext.virginia.edu/railton/projects/rissetto/offense.html

s.clover, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Both of these guys would be satisfied being the cinematic/TV equivalent of Herman Melville, who had a career of duds but also did Moby Dick.

"marvellously inoffensive" (Eazy), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

and you know Bartleby and The Confidence-Man and whatever...

s.clover, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think anyone would be satisfied being the herman melville of whatever artistic field

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:39 (2 years ago) Permalink


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