Luck: HBO series: David Milch, Dustin Hoffman, Michael Mann

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it's just interesting to me that three horses die and an extremely high-profile HBO show is canceled for it while it happens all the time in real life without consequence

if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Friday, 16 March 2012 03:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

Because HBO shows are way more in the public eye than horse races prob

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 03:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Because I thought this show could have been really amazing given the time to stretch out, I agree with you. But if horses had died during the making of 2 Broke Girls, it would have been knives out from me.

Still, Real Housewives drove a dude to suicide and its still on the air.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 16 March 2012 03:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ya but not THREE

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 03:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

is he really pompous or is that just a reaction to the mythmaking around the milchian 'genius', which he has no control of? i think he has some blowhard tendencies but isn't particularly self-important beyond holding the belief that his should be the primary creative voice on his projects - a trait he shares with any decent director

hes not a medium talent but i do think his vision would benefit from being molded or directed a bit so that he doesn't disappear up his own ass too much - which is why Luck was so promising on paper (ive only seen the first four eps)

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 16 March 2012 03:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think his larger desires about what he wants to express can overshadow things (John from Cincinnati, for instance) but he's got a great handle on storytelling, episode structure, and character arcs.

I don't think he cares about seeming pompous though. Anyone who brings along the Kierkegaard to a seminar he's giving for a media class isn't concerned seeming pretentious. More power to him, I say.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 16 March 2012 03:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah milch talent > milch pompousness

Simon H., Friday, 16 March 2012 04:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i think he's talented (although i thought that every other deadwood episode was a complete mess) but he is indisputably self-important

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 16 March 2012 04:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Dude wants to live up to Robert Penn Warren's ambritions.

"marvellously inoffensive" (Eazy), Friday, 16 March 2012 05:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Needs cartoon bat.

"marvellously inoffensive" (Eazy), Friday, 16 March 2012 05:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

We Eat Horses, Don't We?

"marvellously inoffensive" (Eazy), Friday, 16 March 2012 10:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

As always, I highly recommend folks dig up that New Yorker profile of Milch. He's likely a bona fide genius (even if I think his output outside of Deadwood has been erratic). Mann's a genius, too, but he arrived at it through sheer hard work, which perhaps explains why he's been so much more successful. He's less beholden to a muse and more able to simply buckle down and do what needs to be done.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 March 2012 11:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

Link?

I Fucked Up (jer.fairall), Friday, 16 March 2012 14:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

lets get real here folks, this show was canceled because no ones watching it

lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 15:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

I thought that at first but not so sure. There's fewer people watching Enlightened and it's still on. Treme is in its third season and was drawing about the same numbers as Luck from what I've heard.

I mean I guess it was a combo of bad PR + expensive to produce + ratings not that great. But I don't really think HBO was just looking for an out here.

dmr, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Even if not that many people watched it was still a "prestige show" and Dustin Hoffman's first ever TV gig

dmr, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

Enlightened probably doesn't cost 1/20th of what Luck does.

akm, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Mann's a genius, too, but he arrived at it through sheer hard work, which perhaps explains why he's been so much more successful.

He's also terrifying, and a careerist of the first magnitude. His legend - like, say, Lynch's - eclipses his outputs.

aka vanilla bean (remy bean), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

and kills 1/20th of the horses

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think laura dern is going to slit a horse's throat in the season opener

akm, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

mann is a genius fuiud

lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

no one suggested he wasnt?

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

yah remy did

lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

if im parsing his pretend hollywood insider schtick correctly

lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

Mann's a genius, too

oh rlly

Ali, The Insider, Collateral... jeezus, up there w/ the best of Renoir

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

shhh go watch e.t.

lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

Heat was at least like a nutty 3-hour condensation of these endless HBO shows you guys love

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

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lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

yah remy did

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if im parsing his pretend hollywood insider schtick correctly

― lag∞n, Friday, March 16, 2012 1:30 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

he said hes ALSO terrifying and etc., which means he agrees with the genius premise

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Trigger lived through Son of Paleface

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

His legend - like, say, Lynch's - eclipses his outputs

I realize josh and remy are just having a v strange convoluted conversation but still

lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

the insider is better than anything spielberg has done in the last 25 years or so tbh

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

jeez war horse right up there with renoir

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

i dont think thats inconsistent with geniushood - mann hasnt made a Great movie in years and years - just some interesting ones

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

many of my favourite geniuses do tons of horrible shit

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

(altman, spielberg, mann, de palma...)

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

wild inconsistency is almost a defining feature of genius

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

s1ocki, we've prob been over this; I bet your films are better than the crap you like.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

weve been over this

lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

slocki

lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

that's like whatever the opposite of a backhanded compliment is :D

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

patiently waiting for you to arrange a screening for me btw!

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

morbs you realize i like probably 90% of what you like, there's just like... other stuff i like too

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

i dont think thats inconsistent with geniushood - mann hasnt made a Great movie in years and years - just some interesting ones

is 'heat' the Great one?

Lamp, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

morbs can't resist dead horses

polyphonic, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh shiiiiiiiiiiii

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

Mann has been making the same great movie in different iterations since "Thief."

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

“A director makes only one movie in his life. Then he breaks it into pieces and makes it again.” -Jean Renoir

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:00 (2 years ago) Permalink


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