i like the kick/snare conversation on those signal life tracks, but the way the vocal samples are deployed seems kinda corny? it gives me an '80s electro vibe, maybe they're going for that.
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
---------hahah well of course these are "projections" on my part, it's my interpretation of the music.
I'm not pretending i've got stone tablets from mount sinai with all this written on them.
― Tim F, Saturday, March 10, 2012 11:11 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink----------
I know, what I meant was that you were projecting your own self-impressedness with your own interpretation onto to his music.
― Josephine, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
That allegation makes sense if you're saying I'm a habitually self-impressed person who assumes everyone else is like me. Is that what you're saying?
― Tim F, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 21:04 (twelve years ago) link
That allegation makes sense if you're saying I'm a habitually self-impressed person who assumes everyone else is like me
well, you do write music reviews and post to ILM
― the late great, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
j/k
― the late great, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
― the late great, Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:18 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol
It wasn't an allegation Tim. We're not in court. Just thought you were wrong, and over-injecting your own baggage.
― Josephine, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
xpost no quite seriously it's both the most logical and potentially-correct spin I can put on it.
OTOH I'm not sure how it accounts for all the times I've been quite self-impressed with my take on something and not projected it onto the music at hand.
At any rate my use of the word "impressed" was maybe misleading anyway. It's not so much that the DVA album sounds smug or self-satisfied to me (if anything, DVA as an artist strikes me as restless, impatient, quick to grow bored with his past ideas - perhaps too much so, even); more that several of its "targets" are targets which I think have been improperly framed - as if these songs are the correct answers to the wrong questions.
Josephine said upthread that "Half of the DVA album probably belongs in that psych r&b thread." I agree with this obv and I wonder if people's reactions to the stuff on that thread provide a good guide to their likely reactions to this album and vice versa; when I think of the avant-R&B stuff that I like most (Kings, Me'Shell, Quadron, etc.) it's stuff that doesn't really go to great lengths to emphasise its unusualness or "avant"-ness or etc but instead uses its disparate sonic influences and ideas as yet another means of expressing more typical notions of beauty, groove, lushness etc. etc. - similar to how, say, Timbaland's classic work may have been startling and engrossing but rarely difficult-to-love. I guess I like stuff to sound a little bit effortless, even if it's clear that a lot of skill and accomplishment has gone into it. Whereas the DVA album sounds to me like it's tense-with-effort.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
And (sigh) as usual my curiosity re what someone is trying to say is portrayed as hyper-defensive, hyper-pendantic, hyper-legalistic... This grates a bit, because I think I tend to react to personal jabs quite reasonably. But whatever.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
i don't really understand the difference between a pop hook and a non-pop hook.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 23:24 (twelve years ago) link
Phrased as an "either/or", I'd agree.
However, I think it's not too controversial to say that different things register as "hooks" in different contexts - like, to use an extreme example, a hook in a gabba track might be the kind of thing you'd never deploy in a pop song (though in a post-Guetta world even that may no longer be true).
More subtly, e.g, certain tricks in an R&B tune "work" better if you approach with an R&B frame of reference rather than a pop one. But it's not like as listeners we really consciously change hats in this fashion very often. It's more easily discerned in e.g. how many popjustice types consistently fail to get certain R&B. Their problem, obv.
In the case of DVA, I personally don't think saying the hooks are non-pop really explains away their lack of purchase - the Vikter Duplaix track, for example, works like a Vikter Duplaix track, but doesn't hit me nearly so hard as "Manhood" or "Messages" or "Looking For Love". It's not really the case that those tunes have "pop" hooks whereas "Madness" has another kind of hook; they're just better songs, is all.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 23:45 (twelve years ago) link
a hook is a hook
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 15 March 2012 14:49 (twelve years ago) link
in lots of pop songs the real hook is an instrumental thing or a sound
this thread is getting about as dry as a hessle comp.
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 15 March 2012 15:29 (twelve years ago) link
Sounding a little exasperated, DVA continues: "I just needed a change, bruv – I mean, six years of something is long. Imagine you’re with a girl for six years. You know what I mean? You’d probably split up! It just gets boring. Not that the show got boring, but six years of anything is long, so you’ve got to change up your life".
haha. IMAGINE!
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 15 March 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjJui88Zq2Q
― jimitheexploder, Sunday, 18 March 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLgeqX-Tjvk
― jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:18 (twelve years ago) link
loving this new paul woolford thing
http://soundcloud.com/platform/special-request-alone
― lukas, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
So shit...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q5SdAFlk_Q
baby boy loose this track, baby boy loose this track.
in other news.
I really didn't see myself being a Paul Woolford fan after so many years of well dad house but damn he's finding a vibe the last few years.
― jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 02:16 (twelve years ago) link
LHF album? opinions?
― the late great, Thursday, 29 March 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
i've been enjoying woolford for awhile now, feel like the turning point was actually around 2005
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-sh8mi0cio
also really like this recent one, "can't do without"
― the late great, Thursday, 29 March 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
although it definitely doesn't need to be 8:27 long
― the late great, Thursday, 29 March 2012 16:59 (twelve years ago) link
and then right after that obv he killed it with "erotic discourse"
not sure how that could every qualify as dad-house
― the late great, Thursday, 29 March 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahlHAMP-TIo
Royal T's refix of I Luv U is inasane.
― jimitheexploder, Saturday, 31 March 2012 13:28 (twelve years ago) link
this is a 2011 track but it looks like nobody ever talked about it on ILM?
i heard it's not going to get a release, fucking crazy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR2lKUvN_BI
loved pearson sound rewinding this on boiler room #47
http://soundcloud.com/platform/br-47-pearson-sound?page=3
starts coming in at 32:30
― the late great, Saturday, 31 March 2012 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
'This is killing me: the song featured in last week's Dusk & Blackdown Rinse mix that samples The Breakfast Club - "Well, if you say you haven't, you're a prude. If you say you have you're a slut. It's a trap. You want to but you can't, and when you do you wish you didn't, right?" Anybody? Thanks.
― viborg, Saturday, 3 March 2012 17:37 (1 month ago) Permalink'
Oh yeah sorry this is 'Kook' by Presk out now on Fourth Wave.
http://www.sonicrouter.com/2012/03/sr-mix-125-presk-fourth-wave/
― jimitheexploder, Thursday, 5 April 2012 13:34 (twelve years ago) link
^ Big fan of that Presk tune.
― Mr Andy M, Monday, 9 April 2012 13:40 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah it's now stuck in my head and probably will be all week.
― viborg, Monday, 9 April 2012 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
Also, Jimmy Edgar 'For the Children'. Maybe that's more bobbins? I don't fully understand the difference.
― viborg, Monday, 9 April 2012 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
― lukas, Saturday, March 24, 2012 4:20 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark
Alone is pretty good but I like this one even better (Lolita)
http://soundcloud.com/specialrequest/special-request-1-2-lolita
― dmr, Monday, 9 April 2012 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
Vessel is on one at the moment:
http://soundcloud.com/left_blank/b1-merge-preview
The Panther Modern record is ace too.
― jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 08:23 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyLw0oaW4ok
― jimitheexploder, Thursday, 19 April 2012 08:24 (twelve years ago) link
is this the thread where you all talk about more beatmaker-y shit
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 27 April 2012 22:30 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB2KqNtcrzs
into this song even tho it sounds like something I prob was into like 10 years ago or something
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 27 April 2012 22:31 (eleven years ago) link
Hey, this Distal album I'm listening to is nice!!
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Monday, 30 April 2012 21:46 (eleven years ago) link
yes please
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Monday, 30 April 2012 21:50 (eleven years ago) link
"kook" is pretty good, what w/ a great sample, epic synth vibe and creepy "presk" vocal clip, but i still prefer "sweat" (presk & cinnaman)
presk IS killing it though, four for four on dope EPs
― the late great, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 02:04 (eleven years ago) link
btw is it just me or does croydon house sample "sacred cycles"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uGrooVLjhc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZG7VbZuWcs
― the late great, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 02:28 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOqm3VMJrh8
Another Presk track, remixing Tessela and Hackman. The rest of the 12" is wicked too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMAShDUquFg
Feeling the latest South London Ordnance on 2nd Drop too: http://soundcloud.com/stholdings/south-london-ordnance
― jimitheexploder, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 08:57 (eleven years ago) link
Anybody like that Kry Wolf track up on XLR8R?
― pattern loader, Sunday, 13 May 2012 08:15 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.xlr8r.com/mp3/2012/05/under-my-skin
― pattern loader, Sunday, 13 May 2012 10:56 (eleven years ago) link
the first four tracks of this new slugabed album are great, but then it turned into a blur of hi-fi synth-fusion to me (ie no hooks). maybe i shouldn't have tried to listen to it all at once.
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:01 (eleven years ago) link
NEWFLASH - MOSCA BITES HAND THAT FEEDS
going back to '09 listening to Marcus making this weird, weird house music basically that brings in all these elements, I wanna go back to that. If you want a guitar in your track, that's cool, you can do that. Now in UK bass you cannot have guitars—that's one of the rules. You have to have 808s, big Julio Bashmore bass, a US rap sample repeated, cowbell, a little Burial garage sample and a Deadboy synth that goes "eeewwwaaooo," bending all over the place. And those are the rules now. And you do get a lot of, it's just the same old same old that I get sent. There's so many people making music now, that it's flooded.
― the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
Bashmore has actually been using guitar a lot on his recent stuff
― Number None, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.fritenite.com/2012/05/17/podcast-23-grenier/
I'm really psyched that DJG seems to be extricating himself from dubstep and slowly evolving into something else.
He was way too cool for the kids he was hanging out with IMO.
― Josiah Alan, Monday, 21 May 2012 12:02 (eleven years ago) link
Having been going over old DMZ tracks in the last few days I was wondering if it makes sense to have a Dance Partisans of the Past thread, encompassing everything from early 00's proto dubstep to cotemporary Bass, or whether assorted thread already suffice?
― EDB, Monday, 21 May 2012 12:10 (eleven years ago) link
I wouldn't mind having a place to get nostalgic about my record crates.
― Josiah Alan, Monday, 21 May 2012 12:12 (eleven years ago) link
Ate a lot of ramen so that I could buy all those DMZ platters.
Oh god, I don't want to think about my current diet when I look at my records in 10 years.
― EDB, Monday, 21 May 2012 12:15 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1Xcbw4Lmpg
Throws up devil horns.
― Josiah Alan, Monday, 21 May 2012 12:18 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCJEHIVQTJU
― Josiah Alan, Monday, 21 May 2012 12:25 (eleven years ago) link