Nina Kraviz - Nina Kraviz [2012]

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this needs to be played next to that lee foss track

owenf, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 10:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

she is v v pretty btw

⚓ (gr8080), Friday, 16 March 2012 22:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

v v v

the late great, Friday, 16 March 2012 22:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's a rule. You can't mention Nina Kraviz without saying how beautiful she is. Or how she may be fancying Ben Klock. The fanboys getting very hot under the collar. Really liked "I'm Gonna Get You" but none of these are really grabbing me. I saw her play a couple of times last year and she played tougher. The vocals sound a bit Luomo.

mmmm, Saturday, 17 March 2012 08:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Not really feeling this, it's kind of drab.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Monday, 19 March 2012 18:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

otm, it's def not sitting at my desk/driving in my car music

⚓ (gr8080), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

This could never be as drab as Benoit and Sergio or Art Dept

lex pretend, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

not saying much

the late great, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

Benoit and Sergio occasionally nod in the direction of a tune. This doesn't

Number None, Monday, 19 March 2012 23:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

otm

⚓ (gr8080), Monday, 19 March 2012 23:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

b&s backlash make me sad :-(

flopson, Monday, 19 March 2012 23:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Goddam those soulless house music producers with their lack of tunes!

Tuomas, Monday, 19 March 2012 23:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think this stuff is quite tepid

like the best track on here is a smoothed out version of tantakatan which itself was like a smoothed out version of a radio slave track

the late great, Monday, 19 March 2012 23:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Goddam those soulless house music producers with their lack of tunes!

― Tuomas, Monday, March 19, 2012 4:25 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, what the hell are these fools talking about? this record is all about sounds for me (including her voice, which i love). i'm not coming into it looking for pop songs.

The Reverend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 01:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

b&s backlash make me sad :-(

― flopson, Monday, March 19, 2012 4:17 PM Bookmark

backlash implies that we liked them in the first place, which NO. FUCK THAT.

The Reverend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 01:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

I knew i'd be brought up on that throwaway tunes comment, but i don't find it this particularly atmospheric or anything either. Seems like this and Voices From The Lake are the two most acclaimed dance albums recently and i find both of them incredibly boring.

Number None, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 01:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Rev I think yr crusade against hipster druggy house doesn't really apply to anything B&S have done in the past 12 months.

They've basically turned into a 2012 equivalent of Justus Kohncke.

I can understand disliking "Where The Freaks Have No Name" et. al. on your stated grounds, of course.

Tim F, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 01:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

one man's "boring" is another man's "low key late night music"

maybe ppl are just confused cause it's on rekids? doesn't remind me of anything i've ever heard from that label

akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 02:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, i could see that. rekids stuff is usually more overtly banging for sure.

The Reverend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 02:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

yea, and her RA podcast, other singles etc were a lot different too.

akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 02:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

backlash implies that we liked them in the first place, which NO. FUCK THAT.

― The Reverend, Monday, March 19, 2012 9:32 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

we did. i was there. i was one of them.

flopson, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 03:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

i can understand not being wowed by the kraviz album cuz it really is very understated, but it works really well at creating mood. there are too many actively annoying elements to benoit & sergio

lex pretend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 07:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

ya idk if i'd call it a 'grower' but it definitely helps to be in the right mood. which, it turns out, i usually am.

couldn't imagine hearing this stuff 'out', it's so intimate and understated. i could imagine someone hating this record if they were sitting around anxiously waiting for something to happen or sweep them off their feet... this isn't 'just' wallpaper but it works really well in the right setting/with the right expectations... i think i gravitate towards records like this tho maybe others don't. also maybe cold rainy pacific northwest winters naturally complement this type of thing

i love b&s but this really is nothing like b&s, can we have that debate elsewhere?

akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 08:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

maybe cold rainy pacific northwest winters naturally complement this type of thing

ha, you too?

The Reverend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 08:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

yea this is my second pdx winter and i'm trying to embrace it rather than continuing to hold out for whenever the hell it's supposed to be sunny again

akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 08:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's very effective at creating mood but that mood is really boring, this kind of druggy blankness. I'm not a massive deep house fan at the best of times but I actively leave rooms in clubs when it gets like this, there's nothing to really hook into here. I don't really get why we're talking about Benoit & Sergio here at all.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 09:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

why have actual descriptive comparisons when we can have tribalist statements of allegiance and enmity.

Tim F, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 10:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

ftr my tribe's position on Nina Kraviz is "indifferent," we just showed up to defend our Tribal Deities Benoit & Sergio's honour

flopson, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

the mood reads as warm intimacy to me

The Reverend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

fwiw, the only track on this i'd actually want to hear (or play) out is "ghetto kraviz"

The Reverend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

i also just really like how loose and breathable her stuff is. as far as the album goes it's not a "major" album, it's casual, but with a very defined vision, which feels kind of rare in this protooled-within-an-inch-of-its-life world which shows every sign of worsening

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

I hardly think that's a major issue in the genre context in which she's working.

Tim F, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

maybe not, i have no idea!

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

i guess the reason it occurs to me is that the SOUNDS she uses are very, very nice, pristine almost, but it's in service to loose and almost ramshackle songs, which is a neat combination

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

(though "songs" is maybe overstating what they are..)

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

There are a hell of a lot of dance music albums like that though. It's practically traditional at this point.

Tim F, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

i guess i am just way out of it.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

No it's good news. If you like this kind of thing then there a lot of great albums for you to check out. Start with Kalabrese!

Tim F, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

Also I stand by my Dani Siciliano reference above.

Tim F, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

i love kalabrese! they/he seems more jam-packed and maximalist to me though. not skeletal and spare like this.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

some of those dance albums with pristine sounds and ramshackle songs ALSO have ramshackle voices, be warned (iirc i thought kalabrese was one of these)

lex pretend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh yes I would expect you to have some issues with Kalabrese, lex. Also Noze.

Tim F, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

yup nôze have always repelled me slightly apart from "remember love". just...disgusting vocals

lex pretend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

there's also something just a little bit evil and twisted about nina kraviz that i'm responding to. like she is going to drag you down into her dark world if you let her. looseness + great sounds + evil = turkish delight for tracer hand

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

yea i think dani siciliano is a fair comparison, maybe luomo too. it's not mining any strikingly new territories but honestly it doesn't matter because it nails the vibe it's going for perfectly - and i don't get 'druggy blankness' at all. again, i can't imagine hearing this in a club, but maybe it codes that way in that setting.

i'm actually glad that it wasn't produced by someone like matthew herbert tho, it wouldn't have the same warmth. tbh i think siciliano, kalabrese and noze actually accomplish something a lot more twisted than this record. nina gets a little 'evil' as tracer mentioned but if you're looking for disjointed alien sex jamz you have come to the wrong place

akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i meant psychologically twisted rather than anything specifically in the sonics

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

more of that indie tech house

2012 landfill indie house

Big up the ghost of DFA

Blondes/Talabot/Kraviz

Your time

jimitheexploder, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

yea we've already talked about how none of those things have anything to do with dfa

lol @ 'landfill' in the context of three albums as they compare to the glut of post-dubstep blah (talk about BORING) put out in the first few months of 2012. and talabot might be a bit indie but don't you like sun araw and shit?

akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 00:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

This is mega Berlin 2012 DFA tech indie house if ever I saw it.

jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 00:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

so what (it isn't, but so what anyway)

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 00:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

you're head people.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 20:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

nina released records on dj jus-ed label, can't get realer house than that.

sisilafami, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 20:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

"it's not house cos i like house", "it's not indie cos i hate indie"... jesus, state of some of you.

I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 20:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

"it's not indie cos i hate indie"

who said this?

The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 21:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

superfluous "not" there

I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 21:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok, gotcha

The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 21:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

I am frequently surprised by the lengths people will go to in order to categorise things together based on their own feelings of love or hate rather than, um, what the music sounds like.

Tim F, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 21:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

This is mega Berlin 2012 DFA tech indie house if ever I saw it.

lmao dude

art dealin' thru the west coast (tpp), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 22:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

still gotta hear this album but i like what i've heard from nina kraviz. also she's hot. and hey is she dating ben klock??

she's def popular with teh dance heads.

art dealin' thru the west coast (tpp), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 22:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't get the "indie" thing or the dfa comparisons either. haha ok i just relistened to some kalabrese and i don't know what i was remembering because kalabrese is certainly not "jam packed" or maximalist, by and large. there is a lot of overlap with what nina kraviz is doing for sure. it's more interesting to me to figure out why they're different, though, and to my mind they are. damned if i can really explain it. i can also see the comparisons with poker flat but again i've been bored silly by most poker flat stuff i've heard and not this, which despite its surface-level boringness and songs which develop maybe 2mm from where they started still manages to keep me listening (some more than others, obv; i don't really like the ultra-leaden voice on "ghetto kraviz" for example). perhaps one point of distinction between kraviz and somebody like dani siciliano (or kalabrese) is the sense of cheapness to it, for lack of a better word. half thought-out. which is maybe what jimi was getting at. but me, i like cheap if it sounds like this!

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 22:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

I am frequently surprised by the lengths people will go to in order to categorise things together based on their own feelings of love or hate rather than, um, what the music sounds like.

i feel like this has been the scourge of dance discussion here and beyond for a long, long time. not that there hasn't been plenty good discussion. really wish it would stop, there is this constant thing everything some people hate is labelled as a word they've already decided they hate and vice versa, regardless of the music.

I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 23:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh come on, makes perfect sense, this music sounds like shit, that other music sounds like shit, qed

the late great, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 23:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

that post was indie nonsense.

I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Thursday, 22 March 2012 00:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

only a soulless dance fan would say something like that

Number None, Thursday, 22 March 2012 00:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

on the essential mix...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01h5gtt

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 10:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Loving it so far. Very much making me want to don a pair of shades and sway by a rooftop pool rather than being in the basement shop of a university selling Polo mints.

Blue Collar Retail Assistant (Dwight Yorke), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 11:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ghetto Kraviz is so ghetto.

MikoMcha, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 11:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

awful, gay, indie, dfa, live, drum, old, man, brown, turd, fog, house, music

they loooovin the crut (The Reverend), Sunday, 10 June 2012 07:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

Proverb states soulless dance fan gets glass in feet.

Chewshabadoo, Sunday, 10 June 2012 10:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

I saw her over the weekend and she only played super-super-super-SUPER-SUUUUUUPEEEEEEEEEERRRR-tracky techno with barely any synth lines or anything and no real obvious breakdowns or buildups and most people (self-included) had no idea what to do with it. Like people would just dance for a little bit and then stop cause there weren't really any cues in the music to ease back here, go nuts here, whatever.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Saturday, 6 October 2012 03:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

Like it was all pretty banging and stuff but not really in the service of anything.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Saturday, 6 October 2012 03:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

you probably forgot to do drugs first.

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Monday, 8 October 2012 06:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

I did have someone ask me if I knew where to get any E. But I didn't know. :(

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Monday, 8 October 2012 08:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

only track of hers i know is zlobnii mikrob - representative?

suare, Monday, 8 October 2012 08:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

this, which despite its surface-level boringness and songs which develop maybe 2mm from where they started still manages to keep me listening

i don't know, but maybe there's less songcraft getting in the way of the good bits? i hear, like, refrains, and fragments of refrains, and of backing vocals, but less of a heavy effort to sculpt them into house's version of a 'song'

even if it is there somehow.

cuz anyway good refrains or groups of refrain-like parts don't need so much in the way of development

j., Wednesday, 12 February 2014 21:41 (6 months ago) Permalink


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