a friend makes black bean brownies. i can taste the beans... but they are good anyway, in their way - but yeah, they have flour in them anyway and sugar, so i'm like, why not just make regular brownies? anyway, my NN way doesn't include beans (except mung) - and that includes peanuts and peanut butter. exception being certain burritos found in california! because the super long soaking/cooking of burrito black beans does something magically digestive to them!
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:56 (twelve years ago) link
I have only made the bean brownies 2x but they were good although I think I'm sort of with you on the why not just make brownies thing. After I while I sort of thought I could taste the beans a little bit but then figured that's because I was thinking about it too hard maybe.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:58 (twelve years ago) link
probably not enough cocoa?
― just1n3, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 03:02 (twelve years ago) link
i think have all the ingredients to make those cookies right now...
3 days this week, lunch = kale saladtoday, lunch = almonds, green tea
Sigh.
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Taubes
do u nazis have opinions about this guy?
― goole, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
Taube's argument that refined carbs are responsible (through acquired insulin resistance) for the modern obesity epidemic is close to, but IMHO misses the mark and could lead to worse outcomes than mere obesity. The "energy balance" 1st law of dieting Taube's rejects remains true (you can eat a restricted diet of Twinkies and lose weight) but there's definitely a kernel of truth that the moderned refined/processed food diet is awful. Dr. Lustig in Sugar: The Bitter Truth has a cogent (and IMO, better) argument that its the high consumption of fructose (in HFCS, but also table sugar and fruit juice) leads to de novo lipogenesis and interferes with normal appetite satiation through the leptin hormone path.
On the other hand, there are plenty of cultures that historically eaten plenty of starches like white bread, rice & potatoes and remain thin with little vascular disease and lower cancer incidence (though they tend to suffer from diseases of poverty from poor sanitation and lack of micronutrients). In one an interesting (though dated) study, mildly overweight men lost 19 lbs in 8 weeks after adding 12 slices of white bread to their daily diet - I've seen other studies like this and it suggests that while white flour is a pretty empty calorie, its clearly is displacing worse culprits. Basically, starch is pretty innocuous as empty calories go.
My main concern with Taubes is not so much that his conclusion that refined carbs are the smoking gun is wrong, but that his argument used to support high-protein / high-saturated fat diets like Atkins that have clear negative consequences for long term health. Micheal Pollan's summary "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." remains a succinct summary of the science.
― Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
sanpaku people usually say this with derision but i am 100% not kidding: do you have a newsletter i could subscribe to?
― goole, Friday, 16 March 2012 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
Sanpaku Weekly Digest!
― Laura Lucy Lynn (La Lechera), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
this is the view I subscribe to so I can continue to eat pasta and rice
― flagp∞st (dayo), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:07 (twelve years ago) link
I have no special expertise but i have been coping with a (very) minor skin condition with no known cure that i hypothesize has something to do with diet and nutrition. so i've tried a lot of different approaches. unfortunately the one that seems most successful is also by far the hardest (for me anyway): the "raw food" diet.
― ryan, Friday, 16 March 2012 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
my sister in law has been diagnosed with MS and a modified raw food diet seems to have helped her control some of her symptoms to an extent.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 16 March 2012 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
update: my sprouting onions look quite green and healthy
― flagp∞st (dayo), Friday, 16 March 2012 23:48 (twelve years ago) link
can you do the green onion thing forever? like is there a point where they just give up?
― are chads electorate (brownie), Saturday, 17 March 2012 00:09 (twelve years ago) link
no they are perpetual onions
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 17 March 2012 00:11 (twelve years ago) link
but only if you buy the variety 'evergreen onions'
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 17 March 2012 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
make your green onions sprout forever using this one weird trick
the green onionhood forever
― catbus otm (gbx), Saturday, 17 March 2012 00:39 (twelve years ago) link
down with deciduous onions
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 17 March 2012 01:24 (twelve years ago) link
it's like basil plants, right. they tell you it can't re-spawn but you can keep it going on a kinda lower-energy cycle for a while, growing smaller leaves.
― john-claude van donne (schlump), Saturday, 17 March 2012 10:41 (twelve years ago) link
I planted green onions from seed yesterday, but will also try the sprouting thing with some stuff I have in the fridge.
Currently on the stove: soup with homemade chicken stock along with onion, carrot, celery, orange pepper, tomato, cabbage, and kale. Oh and just a tiny bit (one slice) of bacon. Also garbanzo beans, gonna chuck some macaroni in there as well.
NN question: are corn tortillas considered wholep-grain? Also, is pho NN? 'Cause if pho is wrong, I don't want to be right.
― quincie, Sunday, 18 March 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
Just don't drink the broth like a crazy westerner. Pho is high calorie, but pretty not bad
― aka vanilla bean (remy bean), Sunday, 18 March 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
Just don't drink the best part? Have you met me?
― Marilyn Hagerty: the terroir of tiny town (Abbbottt), Sunday, 18 March 2012 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
the broth is crazy sodium-y, no?
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 18 March 2012 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
drink more water
― flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 18 March 2012 17:58 (twelve years ago) link
instead of drinking eight glasses of pho broth a day? whatevs.
― Marilyn Hagerty: the terroir of tiny town (Abbbottt), Sunday, 18 March 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 18 March 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
my sprouted green onions have grown a lot! who knew they had it in them? they are champs. I feel like a proud parent.
I'm afraid to strip away the onion skin to see what my sprouted onions look like. feels like a dorian gray situation.
― dayo, Saturday, 24 March 2012 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
I'm sucking at NNing, but hey the garden is on its way so better times ahead I think. Planted green onions from seed, they have sprouted!
― quincie, Saturday, 24 March 2012 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
Went to a Vegan diner/bakery for brunch. Cookies are find for you if they're vegan, right? RIGHT?!
:/
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 24 March 2012 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
Absolutely! Just like you can eat as much guacamole as you can possibly put down because avocados=sooooo good for you!
― quincie, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
OK, good. I'm glad we're on the same page about this.
It was so good though and except for the cookies and fries (whoops) sort of NN. I had scrambled eggs and homemade seitan chorizo. It was amazing.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
sugars about the only bad thing I can think of
― dayo, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
How do you prounounce seitan? I always say "say-tan" (think spray tan) but have never been sure if that's correct.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
Obv I had eggs so the diner part was veg not vegan but the bakery was all vegan, I think. This place was SO GOOD.
I also do the spray tan pronunciation, based on vegan friends who say it that way!
― quincie, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
that is correct i think
― catbus otm (gbx), Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
:)
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
In non-NN, non-vegan news, I am dining frenchie tonight and will probably have bone marrow if on the menu
― quincie, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
My dad loves marrow. I've never had it. Hope your meal is yummy :)
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
sweet potato fries count, right? I ate a LOT of them :/
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:24 (twelve years ago) link
i've been going meatless during the week. on the weekends i've been meat crazy but yesterday was only bbq chicken and tonight cooking with pork necks. my plan now is one meat dinner per week, oh god that rib eye with Szechuan sauce at the local Japanese place here i come next Wednesday.
― brownie, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
lol @ "Szechuan sauce at the local Japanese place"
― dayo, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:27 (twelve years ago) link
its' actually an ~Asian fusion~ restaurant
it's pretty heavy on japanese cuisine
― brownie, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
i just hate the word fusion tho
― brownie, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
also, i'm culturally ignorant
― brownie, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
haha I was just teasing the restaurant
― dayo, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
I am amused by pan-asian restaurants in general
― dayo, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:40 (twelve years ago) link
i need my rib eye with sauce so any Port Arthur in a storm
― brownie, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:45 (twelve years ago) link
there's a place around here that does pho, bibimbap, sushi, lo mein
you get a free bubble tea if you spend $10 or more
― dayo, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:49 (twelve years ago) link