Rolling Classical 2012

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xpost congrats on violin concerto mr. owen

Milton Parker, Monday, 12 March 2012 22:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

i was reading botstein's essay in 'franz liszt & his world' which was slightly tendentious and dull, rest of book skimmed but seems rich

congrats ówen!

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Monday, 12 March 2012 22:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

Really looking forward to hearing your violin concerto on Friday.

I have to admit that over the last couple of years I've found contemporary classical music so much more rewarding to listen to than the other stuff I used to listen to. However, there's so much to explore and so little time!

Moon Fuxx (Jill), Monday, 12 March 2012 23:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

owen that's fantastic! Which one of London's bazillion 1st class orchs are you working with?

Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 00:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

DJP I thought you were a baritone?

I am. 4 & 5 are S/B duets with enough Es in the B part to make a bass angry.

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 00:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

ps re: the violin concerto: baller

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 00:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ha, thanks DJP. It's Britten Sinfonia, Pekka Kuusisto is playing it. Thanks for well-wishes!

Can anybody recommend me a Wyschnegradsky?

an elk hunt (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 00:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

I still haven't cracked the Concord Sonata — I always fall asleep after the first movement.

I'm listening to Berlioz's Requiem (Inbal, RSO Frankfurt) again.

tanuki, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 03:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

Going to see Giuseppe Ettorre play Bottessini with a chamber orchestra in a couple hours. New territory for me.

Lil' Kim Philby (Call the Cops), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 12:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Schubert Sonata D958, Leif Ove Andsnes. This is finally the rendition of this sonata I've been looking for. With the instincts of a snake charmer Andsnes nails the balance between mysterious distance and sudden assertion and achieves terribilitas. The finale's death-dance some serious head-nod shit.

Which reminds me, we were discussing Mussorgsky's solo piano Pictures yesterday; if you have an aversion to 1950s bootleg sound quality, Andsnes is a good hi-fi alternative to Richter (very different interpretation of course).

Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 16:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've been getting into Arbiter Classical reissues lately - they just have great taste, and seem to do really nice remastering (assuming there's some kind of remastering going on), plus I love the covers (other than the annoying elephant logo):


the prurient pinterest (Hurting 2), Thursday, 15 March 2012 15:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

That Paul Jacobs album is INCREDIBLE. I wish there was more of him on record.

Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 15 March 2012 16:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, it's so fucking good! And I had never heard of him before I discovered it.

the prurient pinterest (Hurting 2), Thursday, 15 March 2012 16:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

You should check out the iren marik stuff - I think you will like her if you like Jacobs.

the prurient pinterest (Hurting 2), Thursday, 15 March 2012 16:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

Get yourself Jacobs' Debussy recordings without the slightest delay! Esp the Preludes. He is the king of dry-point Debussy playing (Bavouzet is the king of wet-brush Debussy playing). His Schoenberg disc is wonderful too.

Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 15 March 2012 16:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Other recommended Arbiters:

Arbiter 116: Tiegerman: The Lost Legend of Cairo

Arbiter 139: Hindemith as Interpreter · The Amar-Hindemith Quartet

Arbiter 157: Scriabin chez Scriabin

Lil' Kim Philby (Call the Cops), Saturday, 17 March 2012 09:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

Just noticed that both Decca and EMI have released Delius boxes. Any opinions on either?

Lil' Kim Philby (Call the Cops), Monday, 19 March 2012 13:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

EMI offers the wider selection of repertoire but the Decca is largely composed of Mackerras' recordings which are uniformly excellent and superbly recorded. There isn't really any top-tier Delius missing from the Decca set IMO (except the tone poem Eventyr), making it a better introduction to my man. But if you're already obsessed with Delius the EMI is a real feast of rarer stuff. I know I want to get it at some point even though I already have the Beecham and Barbirolli material.

BTW, the Danish conductor Bo Holten has now released three geographically-themed Delius discs ('Danish Masterworks', "Norwegian Masterworks" and the new "English Masterworks") which are all fantastic; he may some to supplant Mackerras as the Delius master of the digital era. The Norwegian one is especially killer: Eventyr and Song Of The High Hills on one disc!

Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Monday, 19 March 2012 14:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

Get yourself Jacobs' Debussy recordings without the slightest delay! Esp the Preludes. He is the king of dry-point Debussy playing (Bavouzet is the king of wet-brush Debussy playing). His Schoenberg disc is wonderful too.

― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:17 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That sounds good! I am finding myself increasingly drawn to dry-brush pianists in general, and the concept of dry-brush Debussy is interesting.

the prurient pinterest (Hurting 2), Monday, 19 March 2012 15:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

dry-point rather

the prurient pinterest (Hurting 2), Monday, 19 March 2012 15:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Part of it, of course, is how he's recorded-- that wonderful Connoiseur Society E. Alan Silver type sound where the attack of each note is like a sweet 'ping'. See most everything recorded by Ivan Moravec before the digital era.

Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Monday, 19 March 2012 16:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Thanks again - sounds like Mackerras is my man!

Lil' Kim Philby (Call the Cops), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

A further word-- I don't know if you like your Delius on the lively end (a la mono-era Beecham) or on the languorous wallowy end (a la Barbirolli)-- I prefer the former, and that's what Mackerras brings (but unhurried and with plenty of rubato).

Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

Persephone. The one big Stravinsky piece that just fell through the cracks of popularity somehow. But so great. Elliott Carter called it 'the humanist Rite of Spring'. Elliott Carter OTM. It's got so much charm. Maybe it never caught on because it has a narrator.

All-time I don't think there have been more than 5 or 6 commercial recordings of it. My favorite isn't even one of them-- it's a radio broadcast from the BBC I downloaded off a new group, Andrew Davis conducting. Right now I'm listening to the work's second recording-- Andre Cluytens conducting, mono, a vinyl rip off a dude's blog a couple of years ago.

Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 20:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

so beautiful:

Battalia à 10 D-dur, C.61 (1673)
01:43 - 2. Allegro: "Die liederliche Gesellschaft von allerey Humor"

Biber's Battalia (1673) is a rare precedent, with its quodlibet of eight different folksongs in five different keys, representing the songs of the soldiers encamped before the battle.

Milton Parker, Thursday, 22 March 2012 01:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wow! A precedent for Ives, yeah? I've been seeing references to this piece for years but never heard it til now (though I have listened to the Rosary Sonatas).

Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 22 March 2012 01:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

The more I listen to Biber, the more I flip out, this guy was centuries ahead. the alternative tuning work in the Rosary Sonata, the extended technique to emulate Bird & Frog songs in 'Sonata Representiva', and... now this completely bonkers Ives moment

and of course when he plays it straight, which is most of the time, it is just transcendental, been listening to 'Rosary Sonatas' a lot this last year

Milton Parker, Thursday, 22 March 2012 01:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

& posting this to watch it from home later

Milton Parker, Thursday, 22 March 2012 03:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

Tony Conrad is a huge Biber enthusiast.

Lil' Kim Philby (Call the Cops), Thursday, 22 March 2012 06:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

Now THAT is interesting...

Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 22 March 2012 16:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

that is wonderful, ty milt

i know only hb's violin work

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Thursday, 22 March 2012 22:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

Justin Heinrich Ignatz von Bieber

tanuki, Friday, 23 March 2012 01:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ahhhhh

mom in the woods (Ówen P.), Friday, 23 March 2012 01:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

Interview grabs from the internets:

Further research into the baroque violin repertoire led him to the “Mystery Sonatas” of Heinrich Biber, whose bold scordatura tunings had a marked effect on the young man: “I perceived Biber’s music as having been constructed according to timbre, not melody.... Biber had completely reformulated the basis for music composition, around timbre.”

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A chance discovery of Heinrich Ignaz Franz Bibers’s “Mystery Sonatas” with their inventive constructions around timbre as opposed to melody had a transformative effect. “For the first time, my violin sounded truly wonderful. It rang, and sang, and spoke in a rich soulful voice – the timbre of the instrument… My body merged with the body of the violin; our resonances melted together in rich dark colors, harsh bright headlights. Slower; slower.”

Lil' Kim Philby (Call the Cops), Friday, 23 March 2012 09:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

for the sandbox execrable classical cd covers thread:

tanuki, Monday, 2 April 2012 16:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

>Heinrich Ignaz Franz Bibers’s “Mystery Sonatas”

it's just one of those pieces. the Violin Sonatas are just as incredible. and I went on a Biber buying spree after finding 'Battalia' upthread and the one I've been playing the most is Musica Antiqua Köln / Reinhard Goebel's performance of 'Harmonia Artificiosa': http://www.amazon.com/Biber-Heinrich-Ignaz-Franz-von/dp/B0001DQTL0

Milton Parker, Monday, 2 April 2012 18:20 (2 years ago) Permalink


Floors me every single time.

Turangalila, Saturday, 7 April 2012 04:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

How is Trois poèmes de Stéphane Mallarmé even possible. Fuck.

Turangalila, Saturday, 7 April 2012 05:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

tanuki, Saturday, 7 April 2012 06:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

Vivier is one of my all-time favourites!

Listening to Shostakovich's Preludes and Fugues these days. Can't get over those.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 7 April 2012 06:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

I always feel bad about not posting to this thread more. It gets hard to do when classical music is, like, what I do at work, you know?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 7 April 2012 06:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

I definitely feel less like talking about classical music online when I'm selling subscriptions. :\

tanuki, Saturday, 7 April 2012 07:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

As well as the Delius anniversary sets mentioned above, this year also sees the release of four Debussy boxes. Can anyone offer an appraisal of one or more of them?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Debussy-Collection-Various/dp/B006VKKAXU

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Debussy-Edition-Various-Artists/dp/B00742LLKU

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Debussy-Piano-Edition-Various-Artists/dp/B00751JXQ4

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Debussy-Complete-Piano-Signature-Edition/dp/B0079J283C

The Decca piano set is comprised of previously released Thibaudet recordings IIUC. Would be tempted, given the rosaries and star accolades, etc. were it not for the fact that I've been tracking down Paul Jacobs' recordings on the back of this thread...

Lil' Kim Philby (Call the Cops), Saturday, 7 April 2012 08:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

Don't bother with the Sony IMO. The only first rate performances in there are the Boulez Pelleas + orchestral works.

The DG/Universal Debussy Edition surprised me, but then I remembered DG now folds in the Decca and Philips catalogs as well, and this box includes things from some independent French labels too. A lot of great recordings and very intelligently anthologized. This is the best of these 4 sets IMO.

The mostly Thibaudet piano box-- for great modern Debussy playing I would urge you toward the Bavouzet discs on Chandos. There were five of them. If they haven't boxed them yet I'm sure they will. Thibaudet is really good too, but not on Bavouzet's level.

Leave that Gieseking set til later. In the Preludes, the sound quality almost kills some of the most inspired piano playing ever. I hate you Walter Legge for engineering WG in a cardboard box. EMI keeps remastering these but they'll never sound alive. Seek the Gieseking volume in the Great Pianists Of The 2oth Century series-- one disc has his 1930s Debussy recordings and they sound much better than EMI's 1950s ones.

tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Saturday, 7 April 2012 14:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sund4r what is your day job is it's ok to ask?

tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Saturday, 7 April 2012 14:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

Thanks again - might wait a while before wading in... Maybe listen to a few of the performances in the DG box first while continuing my Jacobs odyssey.

Lil' Kim Philby (Call the Cops), Saturday, 7 April 2012 15:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's hard to know what you heard; Delius deployed chorus in a variety of ways. Was it chorus unaccompanied or orchestra with chorus? Here are some stabs in the dark:

Appalachia - This is a long orchestral work in variation form which brings in the chorus for a big finale ("Honey I am goin' down the river in the mornin'/Hey-oh hey-oh down the mighty river..."). It's based on a spiritual tune from the american south. I recommend Mackerras or Barbirolli for this.

Song Of The High Hills - Probably the most sublime, mysterious & evanescent thing Delius ever did. The apex of his pantheist mode. Mostly orchestral; the chorus is used as a wordless element of the instrumental fabric a la Debussy's Nocturnes. Recommend Mackerras, Fenby or Bo Holten for this.

A Mass Of Life - This is much more choral-centered in the oratorio style. Big and lumbering, with text drawn from Nietzsche's Zarathustra, it was supposed to be a kind of atheist's mass. I've never clicked with this piece. People usually recommend Hickox for it.

Songs of Sunset/Songs of Farewell - These are structured like songs but the chorus carries a lot of the weight. Extremely chromatic, to a fault if you ask me, but they include some heart-piercing moments. Hickox with Bryn Terfel and Sally Burgess is a good choice for these.

Sea Drift - Included on the same Hickox disc with the previous item, this is a fantastic setting of a Whitman poem about sad seagulls for solo voice plus chorus and orchestra. Definitely deserves its status as a greatest hit.

Also, to roll with Delius at all you're gonna have to come to grips with the pastoralist thing. Replace the cartoon deer and bluebirds with the real thing and get inside their skins; this kind of aural nature poetry was not a quaint picture postcard thing for Delius but a subject of the deepest intensity.

(By the way C I think you mean Hickox not Handley? Handley did his share of Delius but not much of the choral stuff iirc?)

multiple decades of jazz (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 15 November 2012 22:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha yes, you're right. was mixing up my chandos regulars.

C:\GAMES\KEEN\KEEN4E.EXE (clouds), Thursday, 15 November 2012 23:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

and your post is wonderfully informative. will have to do some delving.

C:\GAMES\KEEN\KEEN4E.EXE (clouds), Thursday, 15 November 2012 23:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

my love for the Arbiter label is strong - every time I put on something from them, it's the right thing, hiss and all.

too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 20 November 2012 14:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Webern, Beethoven, Kurtag

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 20 November 2012 14:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

Cesar Franck continues to frustrate and confound us

a funny thing happened on the way to the forum (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 24 November 2012 20:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

The last 1:30 of the last movement of Shostakovich's last symphony: one of my favorite passages of music ever.

my other pug is a stillsuit (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

there is some shitty programme about westminster abbey on tv and all the choirboys are auditioning for the soloist in allegri's miserere and oh god this kid's voice just cuts out for the high c

Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Monday, 10 December 2012 23:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

same programme had zadok the priest all over it and now i can't stop playing zadok the gd priest so i downloaded a couple of oratorios but none of them remotely approximate that awed stately plaintively phasing intro or or the sudden choral exultation (the second half of zadok is no good)

Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Friday, 14 December 2012 01:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

will try to find that

clouds, Friday, 14 December 2012 01:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

Recs for watching Don Giovanni on Netflix DVD or streaming?

Johnny Hotcox, Saturday, 15 December 2012 15:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Just got a CD of Philip Glass music - "Metamorphosis" and some selections from Glassworks and the score to The Hours performed on harp by Lavinia Meijer. Pretty nice. Here's a bit of it:

誤訳侮辱, Saturday, 15 December 2012 17:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

To bring this thread (almost) full cycle - this is out a week today: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sibelius-Complete-Symphonies-Tapiola-Finlandia/dp/B0091JQH2Q/

Terabytes of FLACS of screaming (Call the Cops), Monday, 31 December 2012 12:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

Oh that's great! Cheap too! Shame they are not including Kullervo but that Bournemouth recording has already been available for a while.

The Berglund/Bournemouth team is almost always worth hearing. Their Shostakovich 10 and 11, Vaughan Williams 4 and 6, and sibelius Kullervo are all close to top choices IMO. So I'll want to hear these Sib symphonies.

~farben~ (Jon Lewis), Monday, 31 December 2012 15:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

Is there a new thread? (long time reader, first time poster)

flag this post and die (roxymuzak), Sunday, 6 January 2013 20:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

the 'an attempt at a...' thread is v active right now and for the last couple weeks!

~farben~ (Jon Lewis), Monday, 7 January 2013 17:31 (1 year ago) Permalink


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