― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
I always get grumpy buying them because the shop sells them in bundles of like 10 and I only want maybe 2 or 3
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
It's kind of like Christmas on a smaller scale and with more chocolate.
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
Easter, that is.
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pretty much, yeah.
Oh and the baskets are hidden by the bunny so you to go looking for them when you get up. That was always my favorite part.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
Humpty Dumpty chocolate egg filled with smarties = Easter
I can't really get down with the baskets and weird colored eggs. Also hunting for eggs that aren't chocolate seems somehow wrong, lol.
Anyhow NNs I have been struggling with snacks. I have Lara bars, raw trail mix of raisins/almonds/seeds/etc, whatever fruit is in season but my problem is I get BORED eating the same things! Suggestions? Meals I'm okay with. It's the between times where I get a little crazy.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
guys i feel like hitler but don't post about easter candy on this thread or i will have you transported to a camp
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
i like larabars, i also like to eat an orange and a square of dark chocolate for snax or a nonfat yogurt
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
does anyone know if 100% buckwheat soba noodles exist? i was at the chinese store looking at 5 different brands of soba noodles and all of them have the first ingredient "wheat." i don't care too much though.
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
they do but it's usually a japanese product
I used to be able to recognize the kanji for them but alas I have forgotten
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh yeaaaaah wikipedia
The most famous Japanese soba noodles come from Nagano. Soba from Nagano is called Shinano Soba or Shinshu soba. Ni-hachi (二八, two-eight) soba, consists of two parts of wheat and eight of buckwheat; Juuwari (十割, 100%) soba, the finest (and usually most expensive) variety, consists entirely of buckwheat.
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
i got a package of them but i'll check h-mart after i use them up. i think soba noodle salad with dry-fried tofu and peanut sauce and vegetables would be a good cold work lunch.
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
I bought some packages of weird noodles at the asian market - oat, buckwheat, some other kinds. they always end up really clammy. I think I am forgetting to wash them like it says here
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
they had mung bean noodles at the store but a primary ingredient was corn starch
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
mung beans are a great bean I love mung bean soup
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
i love those mung bean popsicle things and i have a cookbook called "silk road cooking" that has a mung bean salad in it that is good
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
i have Roland 100% Oraganic Buckwheat soba noodles sitting around (first ingredient listed is wheat flo_ur)
drinking wine right now so I won't be soba for long
― brownie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 20:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 21:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
So far I have a lot of fruit and veg today, albeit dressed veg. Jesus H that WF raw kale with garlicky dressing is GARLICKY. Good, but whoa not gonna eat that on a work day.
Tonight I will eat tacos with some grilled skirt steak and veg while spouse eats a 64 ounce ribeye. I have seen him eat upwards of 70 oz, he is like a caveman with a fresh kill.
― quincie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 21:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
Hummus or other bean dip with vegGazpachoAnts on log! Or banana with peanut butterSome people would say string cheese but fuck that, if I'm gonna eat cheese it is going to be awesome cheeseEdamameGoddamn yogurt
― quincie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 21:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
I will take a small portion of salted almonds and some bell peppers/carrots to work for snax. I'm probably the most crunchingest person in my general cubicle vicinity. Sorry, neighbors!
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Saturday, 10 March 2012 21:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
I used to snack on bell peppers but the acidity was killing my teeth
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
I should keep the almonds at work to small portions too. I have a huge bag of them in my desk and when. I get really hungry, god knows how many calories I get through.
― ljubljana, Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
I had to start putting the almonds in a little cup with a screw-on top like you'd use for a baby's cheerios. Otherwise, seriously.
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
I like prunes. Not too many prunes.
― quincie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
I tried almonds in the shell in the hope that shelling them would slow me down. Haha, NO.
― ljubljana, Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah I've mawed through a ton of trail mix bc I haven't been portioning. Tiny tupperware is a good idea
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
orange + dark choc sounds yumlove carrots & bell peppershate string cheese :(
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm going to make a seafood and tomato & garlic & pepper sauce that is low-fat and dairy-free AND extremely tasty. Then I'm going to put it over a pile of pasta. :/
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
I've thought about it and I don't think carbs are *that* bad. you need to get your calorie count up somehow if you're a veg
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
I mean the answer can't always just be "eat fresh fruit" !
i bought some cheese last week that i thought was sharp cheddar. i didn't read the fine print where it says that it was a processed cheese product. omg was it terrible. i figured i could salvage it by melting on corn chips. IT DIDN'T MELT, just kinda got harder and brown.
DON'T LET THIS HAPPEN TO YOU
― brownie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
lotta stuff on sale 2day at the grocery store
fresh pasta, salmon, strawberries. i couldn't decide so i bought worcestershire sauce.
― brownie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
in school, the chef/instructor brought in some wheat berries and dried cherries and i made a middle-eastern salad with them, including lemon and orange zest, raisins, leeks, and fresh mint. really nice, light, simple. had some wheat berries left over and used them in a a second salad with cucumber and feta.
last night i made a stir-fry with broccoli florets, thinly sliced yams, and diced granny smith apple -- tossed in some "soy vay" brand hoisin garlic sauce. when i'm feeling more ambitious, i'll make my own sauce that's less sweet.
tonight i might do something with collard greens? we have a produce box we're trying to use up.
― the dried stigmas of the saffron crocus (get bent), Saturday, 10 March 2012 23:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
Instead of Easter baskets in England they do these giant chocolate easter eggs that and then usually filled with lots of little smaller chocs so basically what Thomp is saying is that he's eaten a shitload of chocolate today.
ahem actually i was saying that i have eaten a shitload of chocolate both today and yesterday
earlier i said something like "no, i'm going to go and buy some chips to stop myself eating another easter egg" and then i heard myself and went OH MY GOD I AM A FAT PERSON. and then i ate about a pound of fried potatoes.
― desperado, rough rider (thomp), Saturday, 10 March 2012 23:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
and now i am going to eat another easter egg.
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, March 10, 2012 2:37 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 23:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
– my CSA share for the spring starts back up tomorrow; stoked– I tried going full on China Study no anything last week and had an emotional breakdown and then reunited myself with cheese and wine
― Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Saturday, 10 March 2012 23:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
Jesus H that WF raw kale with garlicky dressing is GARLICKY. Good, but whoa not gonna eat that on a work day.v true! i have learned to only eat this at home, which is why i was so excited when my wf started putting out plain, undressed raw kale. previously the only kale avail was the garlicky kind.
bent, i love wheat berries! i make salads like that all the time.
― tehresa, Saturday, 10 March 2012 23:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
do you have to cook wheat berries?
― brownie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 23:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
― tehresa, Saturday, 10 March 2012 23:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 23:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol I was thinking the same thing, dayo
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 11 March 2012 02:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
I am making collard greens tonight. Braised w/ red onions & cider vinegar, sans bacon.
(I will not talk abt the spareribs or cornbread :/)
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 11 March 2012 02:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
My dietician said I shouldn't eat yoghurt as a meal. The sugar spike (???) is high but goes down quickly. ARGH! I am addicted to it. I can't just give it up!
― Nathalie (stevienixed), Sunday, 11 March 2012 10:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm not sure about yogurt glycemic spikes but if you want less sugar in your yogurt a lot of the greek ones have fewer grams than other styles.
― tehresa, Sunday, 11 March 2012 14:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
just to dial it back a little to the spring onion discussion, maybe i can consult you onion pros for advice; other than the very tip of the bulb, which you cut off, i always use the white end, up the stem until it loses structural integrity/no longer produces round spring-onion-segments. do you guys work from the top? i heard it was a flavour thing, and it's one of those received wisdom things i've never challenged (cf don't put all the stock into the risotto at once, &c)
― john-claude van donne (schlump), Sunday, 11 March 2012 14:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
I work from the top!
― flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 11 March 2012 14:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
i always do what you do, schlump! if i am doing a stir fry i will throw in more of the green end because that part is great wilted in hot dishes. i generally stop using it where it goes lame but if the green parts are still firm/thick, i throw em in.
― tehresa, Sunday, 11 March 2012 14:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
I also use the schlump/tehresa technique, but will try the Abbott trick!
Ate pretty nutritiously yesterday, albeit too much. Also snuck in bites of mac&cheese, mashed potatoes, and juicy ribeye--but did not make a meal of these, so yay me.
Failed to get exercise or visit that gym I am thinking about joining. Today, these will happen!
― quincie, Sunday, 11 March 2012 15:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
The trouble with Jobs is that if you've decided your cancer was largely caused by stress, you'll see Jobs as someone who didn't knock his stress on the head and therefore wasn't doing the alternative treatments right.
― ljubljana, Friday, 17 May 2013 03:51 (1 week ago) Permalink
ljub, my mother in law was diagnosed with stage 3 pancreatic cancer last april. she did not want chemo and doctors felt that it was not as effective on that type of cancer, and risky since she is an advanced age. she opted to undertake the Ger$on therapy, which is basically juicing, coffee enemas, and some approved foods.
I thought it was the biggest load of horseshit I'd ever heard of, and I spent a few months actively fearing her imminent death. I felt like it was a really bad idea, that this stuff was quackery and she was risking her health.
She has not done anything aside from the therapy, no exercise or meditation or anything at all, she's only half-done the therapy and isn't even doing the enemas as often as she 'should'. (I can't blame her). But somehow, for whatever reason, her cancer has not grown. She has not gotten sicker. She has no pain. She is in good health. And her doctor says at each 3 monthly checkup, keep doing whatever it is you're doing because it's working.
the lesson for me wasn't that quackery isn't quackery. The lesson is that what your friend wants is in a lot of ways much more important than what you want FOR them. Whatever they choose, whatever treatment they want for themselves, that is the path you go down with them. Because their mindset is a big part of this.
I'm no more of an advocate for this quacked-out therapy than I was when I found out my MIL had cancer. It is working for HER, and that is the only truth I can really embrace. And while she's around for me to be with and enjoy and in no pain, I have no reason to tell her otherwise. I don't think I would choose that option myself. But I also know that chemo is painful and debilitating and even before any of that, it's fucking scary. What we want for our loved ones isn't always going to give you the best VERSION of them. I think there's some weight to thinking about which version of your friend you want.
But also just generally, be careful with how you counsel your friend, because ultimately this is a really personal choice and one that requires support from friends like you, no matter what she chooses.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 May 2013 04:37 (1 week ago) Permalink
I'm no doctor. I'm contemplating that path but can't claim a comprehensive background or credentials in adjunct therapies. Its just become a hobby - some people watch TV, I google for phytochemicals that activate Keap1/Nrf2 pathways.
Once cancer has metastasized, there are some very prominent medical professionals that believe chemo rounds are unjustified cruelty - a lot of suffering for little likelihood of remission. So I respect ljubljana's friend's decision.
I will say that some dietary interventions seem to make a world of difference in cancer progression. Of primary importance is getting insulin like growth factor (IGF-I) as low as possible: this generally means a low protein, animal-product free diet. Dietary methionine restriction has been used as an adjunct to cancer therapy. A vegan diet, especially one moderate in soy, achieves this pretty easily.
A number of phytochemicals suppress the processes of inflammation central to cancer metastasis. The anthocyanins in berries appear particularly potent here.
The diet for longevity with cancer appears to be the same for cancer prevention: a whole foods plant based diet, with starch as the major calorie source, emphasizing plants with known antiproliferative effects: cruciferous vegetables, alium vegetables, many fruits but especially berries. Dark chocolate is cool. The beverage of choice is green tea.
For hope, I'd point her to the story of Ruth Heidrich, who had a similar diagnosis of infiltrating ductal carcinoma at age 47, and still competing in marathons and Ironman triathalons 31 years later.
For easy knowledge, I'd point her to the hundreds of videos on cancer and on dietary interventions at NutritionFacts.
There's this guy Mark McCarty who is a bit like me, but he's been scouring the research literature broadly for 30 years and is now affiliated with a Tijuana cancer treatment center (yes, I know how that sounds). I think his book on integrative cancer treatment, especially the sections on nutraceuticals, is worth the read.
I have been collecting a bunch of research papers for my own reading for a while. I would recommend the sections on breast cancer, IGF-I and cancer, methionine restriction, and maybe the diabetic drug Metformin for starters. Drill down in plant studies and there's a metric shit ton of articles on antiproliferative effects of particular veggies.
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Friday, 17 May 2013 04:59 (1 week ago) Permalink
Seriously, Ruth Heidrich is some kind of hero, got a PhD in nutrition after her diagnosis, and her daily diet is austere, spartan, but every element makes sense.
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Friday, 17 May 2013 05:13 (1 week ago) Permalink
There are evidence-based alternative cancer therapies, and then there's Ger$on. Can't say I predisposed to embrace a protocol including injections of raw calf liver.
Two videos that may please those in favor of evidence-based integrative medicine, or with an aversion to mother-in-laws.G Therapy for CancerG Therapy vs. Chemotherapy
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Friday, 17 May 2013 05:41 (1 week ago) Permalink
the raw liver injections aren't used anymore.
and dude: I like you, I like your research, you bring good depth to any discussion...but the mother in law crack was crass & in poor taste. and that's me being polite & restrained.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 May 2013 05:46 (1 week ago) Permalink
My apologies. It's late here, the bottle is empty, and MILs are common comedy fodder. It was inconsiderate, and I probably shouldn't attempt comedy in my state.
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Friday, 17 May 2013 06:05 (1 week ago) Permalink
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 May 2013 06:09 (1 week ago) Permalink
There is a very interesting question of how one can bring any levity to discussions of physiology. At root, we learn that we are awesomely complicated machines, which is in itself potentially a rather depressing thought. I wonder if La Mettrie was welcome in the parlors of Paris, Leiden or Berlin. Probably not the conversation for this thread or time.
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Friday, 17 May 2013 06:24 (1 week ago) Permalink
Sanpaku, thank you very much for gathering all of this together. I really appreciate it a lot, especially that link to the papers. I'll be watching it and learning before deciding how to respond properly to my friend. What I'll be looking out for is what the evidence says about cancers that don't seem to be highly aggressive. I just got a second email from her that says hers is 'slow', and partly benign/calcified, but I don't know to what extent has actually metastasized in the lymphatic system - it's in there, but there is a specific test that seems to be able to tell you something about the chances of the lymph system allowing the establishment of the cancer elsewhere. I don't know what the results of that were.
VG, that's a very interesting and positive story - long may things continue as they are for your MIL! I sent my friend a holding reply that said: this scares me a lot, and yet I see what you are saying and I know there are no guarantees with chemo and surgery, and I will do some research myself. (I am cheating with Sanpaku's help). That's the most honest thing I can say. When I've read more I'll say more about the most positive evidence I can find. If I find things that cause me to ask myself whether this approach really fits her specific situation, maybe I'll say something about that too. It depends how strongly I think it would contribute to the research picture she herself is trying to build.
― ljubljana, Friday, 17 May 2013 11:56 (1 week ago) Permalink
ljubjana, I'd also like to point you to Mark McCarty's magnum opus so far: Low-Fat, Low-Salt, Whole-Food Vegan: Staying Lean and Healthy into Ripe Old Age, where he puts everything together in 218 pages and 1100 references - one of the best guides to a health promoting lifestyle you'll find anywhere, and its free. The 35 page section on cancer prevention neatly summarizes the IGF-I/cancer story better than I've seen anywhere else.
My other nutritional guru of late is Vincent Giuliano, who may yet convince me to supplement more extensively. Search his Anti-Aging Firewalls blog for "cancer" and you'll find some very up-to date summations of current research on foods and supplements with antiproliferative effects.
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Saturday, 18 May 2013 03:40 (1 week ago) Permalink
― ljubljana, Saturday, 18 May 2013 13:05 (1 week ago) Permalink