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i think i eat too many calories at breakfast but it's really important for me not to get too hungry in the morning because i need brain function and have no time to eat a snack before lunch. i am good at bringing lunch. tza i have some glass food containers that seal very well and would allow you to put salad in a backpack. i got a few of them at target, they are anchor brand with a lid that you can push down on to create a vacuum that holds the lid on tight. but maybe you are talking about some other reason you can't put salad in a backpack.

kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 16:49 (four years ago) Permalink

Mostly bc not enough room but also fear of spillage

tehresa, Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:09 (four years ago) Permalink

they should make a special pannier with a lining so you can just make the salad inside the pannier. i'm literally lolling at this idea.

kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:11 (four years ago) Permalink

the other pannier could be a salad spinner powered by your rear wheel so that you can wash the salad before work and have it dry by the time you get to work

flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:12 (four years ago) Permalink

this could be like a new cinco product on tim&eric

kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:14 (four years ago) Permalink

T, I put the raw veg, chopped up but undressed, in a tupperware or take-out container, and put the dressing (home-made whatever) in those little condiment cups you get with commercial salads or DUMPLINGS! or w/e. Dress @ work. Solved!

drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:26 (four years ago) Permalink

is that candy?

― tehresa, Saturday, March 10, 2012 11:32 AM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Instead of Easter baskets in England they do these giant chocolate easter eggs that and then usually filled with lots of little smaller chocs so basically what Thomp is saying is that he's eaten a shitload of chocolate today.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:29 (four years ago) Permalink

Sometimes when I'm lazy/late in the morning, I just throw whole veg into a grocery bag and do the washing and slicing and dicing in the office kitchen.

drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:30 (four years ago) Permalink

I have done that too, Laurel. It really saves time in the am.

I am sick and subsequently eating like crap and just laying on the couch. It's not good. :/

wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:30 (four years ago) Permalink

Yes tupperware is great and I'd never pre-dress. seriously I just have a backpack that barely fits my work clothes and shoes and spare tube etc. panniers would help!

This post written on elliptical machine lol!

tehresa, Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:59 (four years ago) Permalink

made split peas soup Wednesday and ate it for three nights. except for one lunch of chicken been sticking to vegetarian this week. that will end in ribs 2nite. asparagus is 1.99 a lb, bought two pounds

brownie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:02 (four years ago) Permalink

ah man the asparagus I bought a week ago had started drying out, that's what I'm worried about, I will be having asparagus tonight as well

flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:03 (four years ago) Permalink

also like half of my onions sprouted :(

flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:03 (four years ago) Permalink

it just made me sad because I keep my onions in the dark so the sprouts were sickly yellow, I would feel better if they were a healthy robust green, grow strong you little warriors

flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:04 (four years ago) Permalink

haha, leaving things like onions and potatoes alone in a cupboard, forgotten, can get scary

brownie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:05 (four years ago) Permalink

an alternate salad-transport idea:

http://wellvegan.com/salad/salad-in-a-jar

(haven't tried it tho)

JuliaA, Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:06 (four years ago) Permalink

ah man the asparagus I bought a week ago had started drying out, that's what I'm worried about, I will be having asparagus tonight as well

If you store them like flowers, upright in a dish of water, w/a plastic bag over it, it lasts much longer!

Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:10 (four years ago) Permalink

i had an onion that sprouted and i've just been leaving it on the shelf to see how much it will grow. it's like 14 inches now. i'm gross.

kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:11 (four years ago) Permalink

I am going to put the onions out by where it can feel some sun

if I am feeling mischievous I will even put them in my neighbor's yard!

flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:13 (four years ago) Permalink

that is a pro tip, abbbottt!

flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:13 (four years ago) Permalink

Do you want another pro tip about making onions sprout on purpose? If you cut up green onions/scallions, save the little rooty bulbs. If you put them in a glass of water they will resurrect (takes over a week) and you have a second round of green onions FOR FREE.

Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:15 (four years ago) Permalink

Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:16 (four years ago) Permalink

oh man I bought an overabundance of green onions last week. I first bought a bunch from the normal supermarket for .50 because they looked good. then when I went to the chinese market they were selling them 3 for a dollar.

I was pleased to see that my last bunch of green onions, they would grow in the fridge after I had chopped them. it was, indeed, like you said, two for the price of one!

I don't know what to do with all my green onions though. I added some to the guac I made today.

flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:22 (four years ago) Permalink

Instead of Easter baskets in England they do these giant chocolate easter eggs that and then usually filled with lots of little smaller chocs so basically what Thomp is saying is that he's eaten a shitload of chocolate today.

whoa do Americans not have easter eggs? this is blowing my mind

yes, an Easter egg is a hollow chocolate egg I guess 5"-7" tall and usually containing/bundled with bags of smaller chocolates, chocolate bars, etc

will def be trying the spring onion trick, I always get grumpy buying them because the shop sells them in bundles of like 10 and I only want maybe 2 or 3 (and even that will involve putting a great excess of onion into something and having horrible oniony sweat for the next 2 days </tmi>) and then they'll go off, and then I'll buy another 10 in two weeks

instant coffee happening between us (a passing spacecadet), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:31 (four years ago) Permalink

Yeah I don't use green onions all that often; regrow time is abut the time I want to use them again.

Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:32 (four years ago) Permalink

do you completely submerge the bulbs or leave the top in the air or does it not matter? do you need to change the water ever?

(sorry if i am being overthinking cat)

instant coffee happening between us (a passing spacecadet), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:34 (four years ago) Permalink

whoa do Americans not have easter eggs? this is blowing my mind

yes, an Easter egg is a hollow chocolate egg I guess 5"-7" tall and usually containing/bundled with bags of smaller chocolates, chocolate bars, etc

Nope, not in the way that you guys do. We get baskets filled with jelly beans and small chocolate Easter eggs and bunnies and stuff but we don't get the big eggs in a box like you do. TBH I think our baskets are better than your eggs cause we usually get more stuff but we don't get Good Friday or Easter Monday off so you guys probably win Easter in the end. ;) One time I wanted to make Spiralli and Easter basket so went all over looking for one and couldn't find anything even close so I bought a bucket and was going to make him and Easter bucket but then I left it all on the tube. :(

Also, I would like a big Crunchie egg now.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:41 (four years ago) Permalink

w/the onions I let their little decapitated necks stick out of the water, and I add more water as it evaps/gets used, works for me
I have them in a stemless wine glass

Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:43 (four years ago) Permalink

This is the sort of thing we get as kids. Mostly chocolates and treats but sometimes they have small toys and stuff in them too.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:45 (four years ago) Permalink

Abbott otm re asaparagus storage. It should be stored like that in the supermarket too tbh and if it isn't and the bottoms are all dried out that's a bad thing.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:47 (four years ago) Permalink

asparagus, rather

wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:47 (four years ago) Permalink

I always get grumpy buying them because the shop sells them in bundles of like 10 and I only want maybe 2 or 3

SO TRUE

wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:48 (four years ago) Permalink

It's kind of like Christmas on a smaller scale and with more chocolate.

drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:50 (four years ago) Permalink

Easter, that is.

drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:51 (four years ago) Permalink

Pretty much, yeah.

Oh and the baskets are hidden by the bunny so you to go looking for them when you get up. That was always my favorite part.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:54 (four years ago) Permalink

Humpty Dumpty chocolate egg filled with smarties = Easter

I can't really get down with the baskets and weird colored eggs. Also hunting for eggs that aren't chocolate seems somehow wrong, lol.

Anyhow NNs I have been struggling with snacks. I have Lara bars, raw trail mix of raisins/almonds/seeds/etc, whatever fruit is in season but my problem is I get BORED eating the same things! Suggestions? Meals I'm okay with. It's the between times where I get a little crazy.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:15 (four years ago) Permalink

guys i feel like hitler but don't post about easter candy on this thread or i will have you transported to a camp

kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:37 (four years ago) Permalink

i like larabars, i also like to eat an orange and a square of dark chocolate for snax or a nonfat yogurt

kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:38 (four years ago) Permalink

does anyone know if 100% buckwheat soba noodles exist? i was at the chinese store looking at 5 different brands of soba noodles and all of them have the first ingredient "wheat." i don't care too much though.

kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:42 (four years ago) Permalink

they do but it's usually a japanese product

I used to be able to recognize the kanji for them but alas I have forgotten

flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:47 (four years ago) Permalink

oh yeaaaaah wikipedia

The most famous Japanese soba noodles come from Nagano. Soba from Nagano is called Shinano Soba or Shinshu soba. Ni-hachi (二八, two-eight) soba, consists of two parts of wheat and eight of buckwheat; Juuwari (十割, 100%) soba, the finest (and usually most expensive) variety, consists entirely of buckwheat.

flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:48 (four years ago) Permalink

i got a package of them but i'll check h-mart after i use them up. i think soba noodle salad with dry-fried tofu and peanut sauce and vegetables would be a good cold work lunch.

kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:49 (four years ago) Permalink

I bought some packages of weird noodles at the asian market - oat, buckwheat, some other kinds. they always end up really clammy. I think I am forgetting to wash them like it says here

http://www.justhungry.com/basics-cold-soba-noodles-dipping-sauce

flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:50 (four years ago) Permalink

they had mung bean noodles at the store but a primary ingredient was corn starch

kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:53 (four years ago) Permalink

mung beans are a great bean I love mung bean soup

flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:54 (four years ago) Permalink

i love those mung bean popsicle things and i have a cookbook called "silk road cooking" that has a mung bean salad in it that is good

kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:56 (four years ago) Permalink

i have Roland 100% Oraganic Buckwheat soba noodles sitting around (first ingredient listed is wheat flo_ur)

drinking wine right now so I won't be soba for long

brownie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 20:40 (four years ago) Permalink

budum tish

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 21:19 (four years ago) Permalink

So far I have a lot of fruit and veg today, albeit dressed veg. Jesus H that WF raw kale with garlicky dressing is GARLICKY. Good, but whoa not gonna eat that on a work day.

Tonight I will eat tacos with some grilled skirt steak and veg while spouse eats a 64 ounce ribeye. I have seen him eat upwards of 70 oz, he is like a caveman with a fresh kill.

quincie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 21:37 (four years ago) Permalink

Snax ideas:

Hummus or other bean dip with veg
Gazpacho
Ants on log! Or banana with peanut butter
Some people would say string cheese but fuck that, if I'm gonna eat cheese it is going to be awesome cheese
Edamame
Goddamn yogurt

quincie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 21:40 (four years ago) Permalink

> know about chlorophyll in liquid form as a supplement

Generally, whole foods are better choices. Kale is 0.2% chlorophyll and spinach 0.12%, but also offer all the carotenoids and other micronutrients of fresh vegetables. The liquid supplements are solvent extracts (using acetone or DMSO), and run 100 mg/1 Tbsp, or roughly the amount in a 50 g of kale, or 3 cups loosely packed leaves.

Most research is on oral hygeine and topical application in wound healing or local inflammation. There's not much besides toxicology studies on oral ingestion. In rodents natural chlorophyll is poorly absorbed (its recognized in enterocytes and actively rejected), though sodium copper and esp. zinc derivatives aren't well recognized and are somewhat bioavailable. In vitro, chlorophyll appears to be a weak inducer of the the antioxidant response element, so its plausible that the small amounts that are absorbed might improve improve cell resistance to oxidative challenges.

In general, it hasn't attracted much interest, but I suppose it might be a natural alternative to herbal salves on wounds.

Unyielding Dispair Architects, LLC (Sanpaku), Saturday, 26 March 2016 00:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

Thanks!

just1n3, Saturday, 26 March 2016 00:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mascha-davis-mph-rdn/so-you-want-a-new-superfo_b_9542054.html?utm_hp_ref=healthy-living%22

“[Moringa] has the potential to make a massive impact in countries that bear the burden of malnutrition, where 3 million deaths in children under five years are due to lack of adequate calories and protein…With the leaves containing 30 percent protein and the ability to grow quickly even in harsh environments, moringa is a unique plant that can be a major part of the solution.” says Mascha Davis MPH, RD, founder of NomadistaNutrition.com in her article for The Huffington Post.

Edgard Varese is god (of music anyways) (outdoor_miner), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 14:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

i'm not sure if it's PMS or this diet but i've been irritable af since i started it, and my skin is not impressed with the situation either.

it's also really hard to eat 2100 cals of fruit before 6pm - it's so much mass! i feel like i'm constantly eating all day, and even then i struggle to get it all in.

i've been using cronometer.com to keep track of macro nutrients, and i realized the other day that my vit A levels are really high - two days i got something like 2100% of the RDI. when i looked it up, i found out that bc it's fat soluble, toxicity is an issue and effects are really severe. so i was freaking out, since vit a is impossible to avoid in large amounts when you're eating this much fruit and sweet potatoes and pumpkin, but it seems only preformed vit A (from animal products) is really dangerous in excess amounts while proformed vit A from plants is much less toxic.

just1n3, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 17:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

wouldn't 2100 calories of fruit be like, a massive amount of sugar?

Treeship, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 17:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

yes! it's tons! but fructose doesn't trigger an insulin response and has a low GI - apparently. i'm not a legit enough researcher to quote anything as fact.

it certainly doesn't give me energy spikes :/ i don't feel any different than when i started this 2 weeks ago.

just1n3, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 17:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

i knew a fruitarian. she went raw for a few years, then switched to all fruits

she did lose weight and at the beginning, yes, her skin was bad, but it cleared up and she did have pretty nice skin after a few months

was going to reply to your original post, just1n3, but decided not to because i don't know how much you're telling us about your eating habits and past eating experiences (and you probably don't want to, understandably)

the thing that jumped out at me is low energy. i'd go to the doctor's but i'm assuming you've done this already so are exerpimenting with different diets. if this is the case, have you tried reading about how to better absorb vitamins/minerals in foods? and eating different food combinations

F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 18:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

Vitamin A on cronometer combines both preformed vitamin A (retinol) and pre-vitamin A carotenoids (mostly β- & α- carotene). Vitamin A hypervitaminosis is possible with preformed vitamin A, so if you're a explorer, lay off the polar bear and seal livers. The body self-regulates vitamin A production from carotenoids, so there's no upper limit. Traditional diet Okinawans do very well on a diet of 80% sweet potato.

High-dose β-carotene supplementation caused poorer outcomes in smokers in some studies from the 90s. The reason may be that the carotenoids (both provitamin A and not) compete for absorption, so high doses of one reduce availability of others. So too much β-carotene reduces uptake of lycopene, lutein, zeaxanthin etc. The lycopene (and cooked tomato intake generally) has some benefits in preventing prostate cancer and skin photodamage, the lutein & zeaxanthin are critical for preventing UV-damage to retinas.

Most problems with added sugar appear due to fructose content, and the problem with fructose in high doses appear due 1) liver metabolism when glycogen replete/sedentary, and 2) small intestinal fermentation and resultant increased endotoxin load. Whole fruit have microstructure and fiber that slows fructose availability, and compounds (esp. brighter colored fruit) have antibacterial compounds that modulate the microbiota. On the whole, the youtube fruitarian characters (ie, DurianRider and gf) that get away with eating 3000+ kcal bananas daily get away with it because they're long-distance bicyclists. Personally, I limit myself to 4 servings of dark berries.

Unyielding Dispair Foundation Repair, LLC (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 18:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

does a Sanpaku do nootropics

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 18:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

sanpaku best robot out of all ilxors

F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 19:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

A robot would have better spelling/grammar.

No nootropics. There are too many tardive (slow-appearing) adverse effects from any interventions to modulate neurotransmitter signalling, from tardive dyskinesia with antipsychotics to tardive dysphoria with antidepressants (where I have much painful experience*). The brain does its high-wire balancing act by integrating a lot of inputs, and will compensate with oft-bad consequences when we tug. I'm a frequent contributor at the the Longecity forums, and have witnessed many complaints of tardive effects with a variety of putative nootropics. The nootropic self-experimenters there respond by cycling between nootropics that affect different neurotransmitter systems, but it always seemed like a lot of expense for disappointing results.

*BTW, before anyone starts down the long descending road of pharmaceutical depression treatment, I strongly recommend working on the trinity of daily exercise, regular sleep, and conviviality/social networks. I can see using drugs with acute episodes, but there are better options for that than the slow-acting SSRIs, like dissociatives in inpatient settings.

Unyielding Dispair Foundation Repair, LLC (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 20:49 (eight months ago) Permalink

how do i get abs in 6 weeks or less, solely through adjusting my diet but without cutting out beer

Treeship, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 20:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

∞, i grew up in pretty restrictive food environment - very plain meat+veg, must eat everything on the plate or sit at the table all night till you do, candy was an extravagance, etc. so when i left home, i just became a terrible eater. i was a chubby kid - not fat, even though my mother told me i was - but at 16 i suddenly lost my appetite and then lost a ton of weight (then she accused me of being anorexic!). i was eating, but not as much. so until i was in my mid-twenties i would binge-starve - not with intention, but i ate what i wanted when i wanted, so sometimes i might not consume anything for a week except cups of tea and a couple of candy bars. then i might sit down with my friend on a monday night to watch tv and eat an entire 250g block of chocolate, + triple cream brie with crackers. i just didn't care! i maintained a pretty slender weight throughout this period, so i didn't bother learning to care.

i'm also a really picky eater, and by that i mean there are some foods i literally can't put in my mouth or i start gagging. texture is often a problem for me as well.

i figure i've fucked my metabolism from years of this way of eating. i started putting on weight when i moved to the US 8 yrs ago, and then when i went on antidepressants 2.5 yrs ago, my weight increased quickly (20lbs!!). i'm in my mid thirties now, i can't afford to be so disinterested in my health anymore.

the low energy thing - i've had my blood worked up, nothing there :/ but i've had moderate insomnia for about the last 3-4 years, so that's probably a big factor. drugs aren't really helping much.

i'm gonna see this out for another two weeks and if i haven't noticed much of a difference, i'll try a modified version.

just1n3, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 20:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

even if i notice a big difference, this isn't a sustainable lifestyle for me - i would probably keep at it for a year or so, and then try to eat like a normal healthy person. i'm using this diet as a sort of reset button, i guess.

just1n3, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 20:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

well i'm not even going to pretend i have some solution or have experience with your situation, but i sympathise

i'm a fan of adjusting/tailoring your diet to how your body responds to it

when i moved to the states, my sodium levels/blood pressure did shoot up. i don't particularly like salty foods and notice it's every where in los angeles. if i go out to eat i make sure to balance that out within the week by eating less salty things (which i usually do anyway) or by eating different/healthy things to counter that sodium. i try not to eat out more than two days a week, as well

insomnia/lack of sleep does horrible things to your body, including your diet, right? hope you find something that works for you

F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 21:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

For insomnia: exercise, no lights (especially bluish ones) past bedtime, supplemental melatonin and try the sweet amino acid glycine in your tea.

Unyielding Dispair Foundation Repair, LLC (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 21:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

As for "abs in 6 weeks, solely through adjusting my diet but without cutting out beer", I can't help, but there are some experimental myostatin inhibitors that are being examined for frailty/sarcopenia that will be the next banned drug for strenth athletes.

This is what being born without endogenous myostatin does:

Unyielding Dispair Foundation Repair, LLC (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 21:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

how do i get abs in 6 weeks or less, solely through adjusting my diet but without cutting out beer

consume nothing but beer until abs appear.

ryan, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 21:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

treeship just do like a thousand crunches a day

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 22:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

Xps it's been long enough that I've already tried all that stuff and a lot more, sanpaku

just1n3, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 22:39 (eight months ago) Permalink

tha brodawg needs leg days asap

F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 22:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

Thinking about nn'ing this year. I'll have to go back through the archives. To study you, to eat as you do, to become a nutrition nazi. Any particularly "classic" posts?

how's life, Thursday, 31 March 2016 17:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

the whole original thread, featuring cutty, filled me with envy. i loved the idea of his insane routine. i hope he is keeping up with it.

Treeship, Thursday, 31 March 2016 17:59 (eight months ago) Permalink

(7227 of them)

okaaaay, I'll check back in with you guys next month.

how's life, Thursday, 31 March 2016 18:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

sad eyed dog plaintively asks how much ya bench

johnny crunch, Thursday, 31 March 2016 18:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

one word: sardines

U.S. (brownie), Thursday, 31 March 2016 18:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

xps to how's life: cut the sodium waaaaaaaaay down. use something like cronometer.com to start getting an idea of the nutritional content of the foods you typically eat.

so i just spoke to an old acquaintance who's gone through various iterations of veganism for the last 18 years or so, including fruitarian, 80/10/10, raw till 4, and she gave me some sensible advice and a bunch of links. i'm gonna stop trying to force down so many fruit calories, and ease way off the high amount of starchy carbs rawtill4 recommends.

one issue i have is with leafy greens and especially bitter greens: i can handle raw, undressed greens like spinach and lettuce in a smoothie, but not really the amount needed, and i definitely cannot stomach eating bitter greens. what to do???

just1n3, Thursday, 31 March 2016 20:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

sodium is delicious

μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 31 March 2016 20:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

i know :/

just1n3, Thursday, 31 March 2016 21:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

don't make yourself eat shit you don't like

#amazing #babies #touching (harbl), Thursday, 31 March 2016 22:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

Cooked greens are much less bitter - if you blanch them in boiling water before smoothy-ing the flavor isn't as strong. Ditto a quick saute/wilt if you're eating them whole. If you want to mask a lot of greens flavor, IME, putting in a half a lemon does wonders in smoothies.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 31 March 2016 22:18 (eight months ago) Permalink

Sodium may not be the bugbear we once thought. I wrote this elsewhere:

Salt intake recommendations have become more controversial of late. A number of recent studies suggest heath risks are associated with both high and low sodium intake, and arguably lowest overall in the 2.5-6 g intake range that most consume: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.

High salt-intake is still associated with hypertension and stroke risk in salt-sensitive populations like African-Americans, but low-salt intake (even just the AHA recommended range) may have its own hazards. From Reducing Salt Intake for Prevention of Cardiovascular Disease—Times Are Changing:

"Sodium restriction low enough to decrease blood pressure also stimulates sympathetic tone, attenuates insulin sensitivity, activates the renin-angiotensin system, and stimulates aldosterone secretion. The antagonistic nature of these physiological responses probably antagonizes the blood pressure lowering effect of dietary sodium restriction and might increase rather than weaken the cardiovascular risk."

This meta-analysis of low-sodium intervention studies offers a long list of effects, both positive and negative:

"Sodium reduction resulted in a significant decrease in BP of 1% (normotensives), 3.5% (hypertensives), and a significant increase in plasma renin, plasma aldosterone, plasma adrenaline, and plasma noradrenaline, a 2.5% increase in cholesterol, and a 7% increase in triglyceride"

Estimating benefits from salt reduction while considering only BP (as in 10, 11, 12) doesn't reflect this more complex situation, or the J-shaped risk curve seen in the aggregate of studies. Reverse causation in hypertensive patients would cause serious issues with these studies, which is why the large-scale prospective studies often exclude individuals with CVD at baseline. In the recent PURE study, for example, the increased risk at low sodium intakes was robust when all participants with a history CVD, cancer, diabetes, or smoking were excluded.

I anticipate that recommended salt intakes will remain contentious - there are entrenched viewpoints, and back and forth accusations of statistical manipulation seethe from the pages. A reasonable conclusion from my reading is that while all groups would benefit from lowering sodium intake below 6 g/d, intakes under 2.5 g/d benefit those with hypertension while increasing risk in those with congestive heart failure and diabetics. For reference, American sodium intake has averaged 3.5 g for decades.

The average blood pressure response to sodium is small (2 mm Hg / 2.3 g Na in normotensives), compared to other dietary components like added sugars, and hugely variable between individuals . I think this is a topic where perhaps the perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good, and while consuming salt in moderation we can perhaps focus on other factors with more consistent results, like reducing added sugars and increasing potassium intake with more tubers and greens.

Unyielding Dispair Foundation Repair, LLC (Sanpaku), Friday, 1 April 2016 00:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

Whoa! Just got to a point where I realized (remembered?) Sanpaku = Derelict!

Getting kinda excited about sardines.

how's life, Friday, 1 April 2016 13:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

Thanks milo!

Lol harbl - eating only what I want is what landed me in this position! ;)

just1n3, Friday, 1 April 2016 13:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

the risky, bad-for-you dietary salt is generally that cached away in preservatives. table salt is considered very low risk, at least w/r/t BP and CV disease.

jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 1 April 2016 18:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

j i get what you mean but that's the opposite of what i said! not eat whatever you want all the time (lol but i do this) but if you don't want to eat something, don't eat it. you only have so much brain fuel with which to do these will power exercises. there are plenty of other nutritious foods to eat instead. i kinda think you should cook them but it's your lyfe~~~~

#amazing #babies #touching (harbl), Friday, 1 April 2016 23:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

FYI, Sanpaku = former-Derelict, now sober & smoke free.

Unyielding Dispair Foundation Repair, LLC (Sanpaku), Friday, 1 April 2016 23:42 (eight months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

i've officially given up on this damn fruit/starch diet. i gave it over 3 weeks and got nothing good out of it - no change in energy levels, quality or quantity of sleep, nothing. actually, the only differences i noticed were that my skin got worse and i got constipated. which do not seem like good signs that a lifestyle change is beneficial to my health.

i'm trying to get an appt with a dietitian to address my specific issues, but kaiser wants me to take a bunch of fucking classes instead, which i am not down for. it's gonna be the status quo food pyramid bullshit and no personalization, plus i hate group stuff. i'm a lone wolf, maaaaan.

just1n3, Saturday, 16 April 2016 05:54 (seven months ago) Permalink

i'd be happy to contact my rd friend to try and connect with you if you like. she is one of the most amazing people i've ever met\/ don't think she'd feel put out (too much). pm me if you like

Edgard Varese is god (of music anyways) (outdoor_miner), Sunday, 17 April 2016 02:07 (seven months ago) Permalink

Yeah, the Kaiser model is statistically based, so if a certain approach works 85% of the time, you must be subjected to it and prove that it failed for you before anyone is allowed to try any other approach with you. You can see why this is a scientifically sound methodology, but it sucks if you are in any way atypical and understand how your case differs from the statistical norm.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Sunday, 17 April 2016 03:24 (seven months ago) Permalink

xps thankyou ODM! but i think it's just not the diet for me. i think lots of different extreme or semi extreme diets work, but only for certain people.

just1n3, Sunday, 17 April 2016 04:15 (seven months ago) Permalink

I would be surprised if the group approach works anything like 85% of the time in the long term.

ljubljana, Sunday, 17 April 2016 12:13 (seven months ago) Permalink


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