i think i eat too many calories at breakfast but it's really important for me not to get too hungry in the morning because i need brain function and have no time to eat a snack before lunch. i am good at bringing lunch. tza i have some glass food containers that seal very well and would allow you to put salad in a backpack. i got a few of them at target, they are anchor brand with a lid that you can push down on to create a vacuum that holds the lid on tight. but maybe you are talking about some other reason you can't put salad in a backpack.
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 16:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
Mostly bc not enough room but also fear of spillage
― tehresa, Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
they should make a special pannier with a lining so you can just make the salad inside the pannier. i'm literally lolling at this idea.
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
the other pannier could be a salad spinner powered by your rear wheel so that you can wash the salad before work and have it dry by the time you get to work
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
this could be like a new cinco product on tim&eric
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
T, I put the raw veg, chopped up but undressed, in a tupperware or take-out container, and put the dressing (home-made whatever) in those little condiment cups you get with commercial salads or DUMPLINGS! or w/e. Dress @ work. Solved!
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
is that candy?
― tehresa, Saturday, March 10, 2012 11:32 AM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Instead of Easter baskets in England they do these giant chocolate easter eggs that and then usually filled with lots of little smaller chocs so basically what Thomp is saying is that he's eaten a shitload of chocolate today.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
Sometimes when I'm lazy/late in the morning, I just throw whole veg into a grocery bag and do the washing and slicing and dicing in the office kitchen.
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
I have done that too, Laurel. It really saves time in the am.
I am sick and subsequently eating like crap and just laying on the couch. It's not good. :/
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yes tupperware is great and I'd never pre-dress. seriously I just have a backpack that barely fits my work clothes and shoes and spare tube etc. panniers would help!
This post written on elliptical machine lol!
― tehresa, Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
made split peas soup Wednesday and ate it for three nights. except for one lunch of chicken been sticking to vegetarian this week. that will end in ribs 2nite. asparagus is 1.99 a lb, bought two pounds
― brownie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
ah man the asparagus I bought a week ago had started drying out, that's what I'm worried about, I will be having asparagus tonight as well
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
also like half of my onions sprouted :(
it just made me sad because I keep my onions in the dark so the sprouts were sickly yellow, I would feel better if they were a healthy robust green, grow strong you little warriors
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha, leaving things like onions and potatoes alone in a cupboard, forgotten, can get scary
― brownie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
an alternate salad-transport idea:
(haven't tried it tho)
― JuliaA, Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
If you store them like flowers, upright in a dish of water, w/a plastic bag over it, it lasts much longer!
― Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
i had an onion that sprouted and i've just been leaving it on the shelf to see how much it will grow. it's like 14 inches now. i'm gross.
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
I am going to put the onions out by where it can feel some sun
if I am feeling mischievous I will even put them in my neighbor's yard!
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
that is a pro tip, abbbottt!
Do you want another pro tip about making onions sprout on purpose? If you cut up green onions/scallions, save the little rooty bulbs. If you put them in a glass of water they will resurrect (takes over a week) and you have a second round of green onions FOR FREE.
― Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh man I bought an overabundance of green onions last week. I first bought a bunch from the normal supermarket for .50 because they looked good. then when I went to the chinese market they were selling them 3 for a dollar.
I was pleased to see that my last bunch of green onions, they would grow in the fridge after I had chopped them. it was, indeed, like you said, two for the price of one!
I don't know what to do with all my green onions though. I added some to the guac I made today.
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
whoa do Americans not have easter eggs? this is blowing my mind
yes, an Easter egg is a hollow chocolate egg I guess 5"-7" tall and usually containing/bundled with bags of smaller chocolates, chocolate bars, etc
will def be trying the spring onion trick, I always get grumpy buying them because the shop sells them in bundles of like 10 and I only want maybe 2 or 3 (and even that will involve putting a great excess of onion into something and having horrible oniony sweat for the next 2 days </tmi>) and then they'll go off, and then I'll buy another 10 in two weeks
― instant coffee happening between us (a passing spacecadet), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah I don't use green onions all that often; regrow time is abut the time I want to use them again.
― Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
do you completely submerge the bulbs or leave the top in the air or does it not matter? do you need to change the water ever?
(sorry if i am being overthinking cat)
― instant coffee happening between us (a passing spacecadet), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
Nope, not in the way that you guys do. We get baskets filled with jelly beans and small chocolate Easter eggs and bunnies and stuff but we don't get the big eggs in a box like you do. TBH I think our baskets are better than your eggs cause we usually get more stuff but we don't get Good Friday or Easter Monday off so you guys probably win Easter in the end. ;) One time I wanted to make Spiralli and Easter basket so went all over looking for one and couldn't find anything even close so I bought a bucket and was going to make him and Easter bucket but then I left it all on the tube. :(
Also, I would like a big Crunchie egg now.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
w/the onions I let their little decapitated necks stick out of the water, and I add more water as it evaps/gets used, works for meI have them in a stemless wine glass
― Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
This is the sort of thing we get as kids. Mostly chocolates and treats but sometimes they have small toys and stuff in them too.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
Abbott otm re asaparagus storage. It should be stored like that in the supermarket too tbh and if it isn't and the bottoms are all dried out that's a bad thing.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
I always get grumpy buying them because the shop sells them in bundles of like 10 and I only want maybe 2 or 3
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
It's kind of like Christmas on a smaller scale and with more chocolate.
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
Easter, that is.
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pretty much, yeah.
Oh and the baskets are hidden by the bunny so you to go looking for them when you get up. That was always my favorite part.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
Humpty Dumpty chocolate egg filled with smarties = Easter
I can't really get down with the baskets and weird colored eggs. Also hunting for eggs that aren't chocolate seems somehow wrong, lol.
Anyhow NNs I have been struggling with snacks. I have Lara bars, raw trail mix of raisins/almonds/seeds/etc, whatever fruit is in season but my problem is I get BORED eating the same things! Suggestions? Meals I'm okay with. It's the between times where I get a little crazy.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
guys i feel like hitler but don't post about easter candy on this thread or i will have you transported to a camp
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
i like larabars, i also like to eat an orange and a square of dark chocolate for snax or a nonfat yogurt
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
does anyone know if 100% buckwheat soba noodles exist? i was at the chinese store looking at 5 different brands of soba noodles and all of them have the first ingredient "wheat." i don't care too much though.
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
they do but it's usually a japanese product
I used to be able to recognize the kanji for them but alas I have forgotten
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh yeaaaaah wikipedia
The most famous Japanese soba noodles come from Nagano. Soba from Nagano is called Shinano Soba or Shinshu soba. Ni-hachi (二八, two-eight) soba, consists of two parts of wheat and eight of buckwheat; Juuwari (十割, 100%) soba, the finest (and usually most expensive) variety, consists entirely of buckwheat.
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
i got a package of them but i'll check h-mart after i use them up. i think soba noodle salad with dry-fried tofu and peanut sauce and vegetables would be a good cold work lunch.
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
I bought some packages of weird noodles at the asian market - oat, buckwheat, some other kinds. they always end up really clammy. I think I am forgetting to wash them like it says here
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
they had mung bean noodles at the store but a primary ingredient was corn starch
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
mung beans are a great bean I love mung bean soup
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
i love those mung bean popsicle things and i have a cookbook called "silk road cooking" that has a mung bean salad in it that is good
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
i have Roland 100% Oraganic Buckwheat soba noodles sitting around (first ingredient listed is wheat flo_ur)
drinking wine right now so I won't be soba for long
― brownie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 20:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 21:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
So far I have a lot of fruit and veg today, albeit dressed veg. Jesus H that WF raw kale with garlicky dressing is GARLICKY. Good, but whoa not gonna eat that on a work day.
Tonight I will eat tacos with some grilled skirt steak and veg while spouse eats a 64 ounce ribeye. I have seen him eat upwards of 70 oz, he is like a caveman with a fresh kill.
― quincie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 21:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
Hummus or other bean dip with vegGazpachoAnts on log! Or banana with peanut butterSome people would say string cheese but fuck that, if I'm gonna eat cheese it is going to be awesome cheeseEdamameGoddamn yogurt
― quincie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 21:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
but yeah, the jobs article might be a good thing to show her. i don't know if you can go about this without offending her... that might be unavoidable... but you should make sure she hears what you think she needs to hear.
― Treeship, Friday, 17 May 2013 03:46 (9 months ago) Permalink
The trouble with Jobs is that if you've decided your cancer was largely caused by stress, you'll see Jobs as someone who didn't knock his stress on the head and therefore wasn't doing the alternative treatments right.
― ljubljana, Friday, 17 May 2013 03:51 (9 months ago) Permalink
ljub, my mother in law was diagnosed with stage 3 pancreatic cancer last april. she did not want chemo and doctors felt that it was not as effective on that type of cancer, and risky since she is an advanced age. she opted to undertake the Ger$on therapy, which is basically juicing, coffee enemas, and some approved foods.
I thought it was the biggest load of horseshit I'd ever heard of, and I spent a few months actively fearing her imminent death. I felt like it was a really bad idea, that this stuff was quackery and she was risking her health.
She has not done anything aside from the therapy, no exercise or meditation or anything at all, she's only half-done the therapy and isn't even doing the enemas as often as she 'should'. (I can't blame her). But somehow, for whatever reason, her cancer has not grown. She has not gotten sicker. She has no pain. She is in good health. And her doctor says at each 3 monthly checkup, keep doing whatever it is you're doing because it's working.
the lesson for me wasn't that quackery isn't quackery. The lesson is that what your friend wants is in a lot of ways much more important than what you want FOR them. Whatever they choose, whatever treatment they want for themselves, that is the path you go down with them. Because their mindset is a big part of this.
I'm no more of an advocate for this quacked-out therapy than I was when I found out my MIL had cancer. It is working for HER, and that is the only truth I can really embrace. And while she's around for me to be with and enjoy and in no pain, I have no reason to tell her otherwise. I don't think I would choose that option myself. But I also know that chemo is painful and debilitating and even before any of that, it's fucking scary. What we want for our loved ones isn't always going to give you the best VERSION of them. I think there's some weight to thinking about which version of your friend you want.
But also just generally, be careful with how you counsel your friend, because ultimately this is a really personal choice and one that requires support from friends like you, no matter what she chooses.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 May 2013 04:37 (9 months ago) Permalink
I'm no doctor. I'm contemplating that path but can't claim a comprehensive background or credentials in adjunct therapies. Its just become a hobby - some people watch TV, I google for phytochemicals that activate Keap1/Nrf2 pathways.
Once cancer has metastasized, there are some very prominent medical professionals that believe chemo rounds are unjustified cruelty - a lot of suffering for little likelihood of remission. So I respect ljubljana's friend's decision.
I will say that some dietary interventions seem to make a world of difference in cancer progression. Of primary importance is getting insulin like growth factor (IGF-I) as low as possible: this generally means a low protein, animal-product free diet. Dietary methionine restriction has been used as an adjunct to cancer therapy. A vegan diet, especially one moderate in soy, achieves this pretty easily.
A number of phytochemicals suppress the processes of inflammation central to cancer metastasis. The anthocyanins in berries appear particularly potent here.
The diet for longevity with cancer appears to be the same for cancer prevention: a whole foods plant based diet, with starch as the major calorie source, emphasizing plants with known antiproliferative effects: cruciferous vegetables, alium vegetables, many fruits but especially berries. Dark chocolate is cool. The beverage of choice is green tea.
For hope, I'd point her to the story of Ruth Heidrich, who had a similar diagnosis of infiltrating ductal carcinoma at age 47, and still competing in marathons and Ironman triathalons 31 years later.
For easy knowledge, I'd point her to the hundreds of videos on cancer and on dietary interventions at NutritionFacts.
There's this guy Mark McCarty who is a bit like me, but he's been scouring the research literature broadly for 30 years and is now affiliated with a Tijuana cancer treatment center (yes, I know how that sounds). I think his book on integrative cancer treatment, especially the sections on nutraceuticals, is worth the read.
I have been collecting a bunch of research papers for my own reading for a while. I would recommend the sections on breast cancer, IGF-I and cancer, methionine restriction, and maybe the diabetic drug Metformin for starters. Drill down in plant studies and there's a metric shit ton of articles on antiproliferative effects of particular veggies.
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Friday, 17 May 2013 04:59 (9 months ago) Permalink
Seriously, Ruth Heidrich is some kind of hero, got a PhD in nutrition after her diagnosis, and her daily diet is austere, spartan, but every element makes sense.
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Friday, 17 May 2013 05:13 (9 months ago) Permalink
There are evidence-based alternative cancer therapies, and then there's Ger$on. Can't say I predisposed to embrace a protocol including injections of raw calf liver.
Two videos that may please those in favor of evidence-based integrative medicine, or with an aversion to mother-in-laws.G Therapy for CancerG Therapy vs. Chemotherapy
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Friday, 17 May 2013 05:41 (9 months ago) Permalink
the raw liver injections aren't used anymore.
and dude: I like you, I like your research, you bring good depth to any discussion...but the mother in law crack was crass & in poor taste. and that's me being polite & restrained.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 May 2013 05:46 (9 months ago) Permalink
My apologies. It's late here, the bottle is empty, and MILs are common comedy fodder. It was inconsiderate, and I probably shouldn't attempt comedy in my state.
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Friday, 17 May 2013 06:05 (9 months ago) Permalink
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 May 2013 06:09 (9 months ago) Permalink
There is a very interesting question of how one can bring any levity to discussions of physiology. At root, we learn that we are awesomely complicated machines, which is in itself potentially a rather depressing thought. I wonder if La Mettrie was welcome in the parlors of Paris, Leiden or Berlin. Probably not the conversation for this thread or time.
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Friday, 17 May 2013 06:24 (9 months ago) Permalink
Sanpaku, thank you very much for gathering all of this together. I really appreciate it a lot, especially that link to the papers. I'll be watching it and learning before deciding how to respond properly to my friend. What I'll be looking out for is what the evidence says about cancers that don't seem to be highly aggressive. I just got a second email from her that says hers is 'slow', and partly benign/calcified, but I don't know to what extent has actually metastasized in the lymphatic system - it's in there, but there is a specific test that seems to be able to tell you something about the chances of the lymph system allowing the establishment of the cancer elsewhere. I don't know what the results of that were.
VG, that's a very interesting and positive story - long may things continue as they are for your MIL! I sent my friend a holding reply that said: this scares me a lot, and yet I see what you are saying and I know there are no guarantees with chemo and surgery, and I will do some research myself. (I am cheating with Sanpaku's help). That's the most honest thing I can say. When I've read more I'll say more about the most positive evidence I can find. If I find things that cause me to ask myself whether this approach really fits her specific situation, maybe I'll say something about that too. It depends how strongly I think it would contribute to the research picture she herself is trying to build.
― ljubljana, Friday, 17 May 2013 11:56 (9 months ago) Permalink
ljubjana, I'd also like to point you to Mark McCarty's magnum opus so far: Low-Fat, Low-Salt, Whole-Food Vegan: Staying Lean and Healthy into Ripe Old Age, where he puts everything together in 218 pages and 1100 references - one of the best guides to a health promoting lifestyle you'll find anywhere, and its free. The 35 page section on cancer prevention neatly summarizes the IGF-I/cancer story better than I've seen anywhere else.
My other nutritional guru of late is Vincent Giuliano, who may yet convince me to supplement more extensively. Search his Anti-Aging Firewalls blog for "cancer" and you'll find some very up-to date summations of current research on foods and supplements with antiproliferative effects.
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Saturday, 18 May 2013 03:40 (9 months ago) Permalink
― ljubljana, Saturday, 18 May 2013 13:05 (9 months ago) Permalink
ljubljana, I came across the site Food for Breast Cancer a few moments ago and its clearly one of the most extensive, best researched sites on nutrition & cancer.
Also, I wanted to share a couple papers that do an excellent job reviewing mechanisms and foods that can reactivate tumor suppressor genes silenced by epigenetic modifications in cancer. This may be most potent nutritional intervention after cancer is diagnosed, and its an extremely active research field at the moment.
Stefanska, B., et al. Epigenetic mechanisms in anti‐cancer actions of bioactive food components–the implications in cancer prevention. British journal of pharmacology 167.2 (2012): 279-297.
Gerhauser, Clarissa. Cancer chemoprevention and nutri-epigenetics: State of the art and future challenges. Natural Products in Cancer Prevention and Therapy. Springer Berlin Heidelberg, 2013. 73-132.
The latter includes a comprehensive (as of 2012) "shopping list" of sorts for an anti-cancer epigenetics diet.
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 26 June 2013 20:40 (8 months ago) Permalink
Thanks, I'll take a look at these and probably send them to my friend, especially that site.. I did some skimming around the papers you very kindly linked to, but not as much as I meant to, and my friend has gone quiet. Might see her in August as she might be in the UK.
It's funny, I was just thinking the other day about epigenetics and diet - I was remembering that a workshop was put on by UK research funders for bio and soc sci researchers. It was an attempt to bring both disciplines to bear on a bunch of broad-brush research questions. I wasn't there, but apparently the consensus was that everyone felt it was way to early to try to apply any kind of interdisciplinary approach to this set of problems. So totally not an area I know anything about, and things might have moved on a lot since then, at least on the bio side.
― ljubljana, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 21:04 (8 months ago) Permalink
are ppl still interested in this stuff
― markers, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 02:30 (4 months ago) Permalink
cutty's not around much anymore, at least i don't think, but maybe we could still talk about this
― markers, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 02:31 (4 months ago) Permalink
i already stopped drinking soda, eating sweets and pastries, etc. so that's been good. but now i should probably do more at some point.
getting off sugar is the most important thing in my experience. i weigh like 25 pounds less than i did in high school and the only real difference is that i don't drink soda.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 02:33 (4 months ago) Permalink
not sure if i am healthier though, but i think the soda was fucking with my energy levels back then because i feel more "balanced" now. i drink green smoothies too now which make me feel better. i wish i knew enough to have a real nutritional philosophy though, like cutty seemed to have.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 02:36 (4 months ago) Permalink
― markers, Monday, October 14, 2013 10:31 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
q is what have you replaced them with?
it's a great first step tho
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 02:37 (4 months ago) Permalink
the sugar is def a huge thing
― markers, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 02:37 (4 months ago) Permalink
i can help., whatcha need markers.
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 02:56 (4 months ago) Permalink
so i have water, seltzer, and orange juice. i've had a little decaf tea too. not too bad. on the eating side, i do have some good things, like oatmeal, some fruit, and other shit too, but as you can maybe tell it's kind of not a perfectly regular thing yet. like, tonight i ate tons of garbage. a lot of ruffles. some fries from burger king. oh, i have yogurt. so there's that! but it's this mixture now of this super salty bad shit and then healthy stuff too. i should work in the direction of lessening the amount of the former that i ate.
― markers, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 05:58 (4 months ago) Permalink
more than once i've thought of just cutting out all the bad stuff, but that hasn't worked yet. i doubt i've tried very hard tho
― markers, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 05:59 (4 months ago) Permalink
i think gradual is ok! you have to experiment to figure out what keeps you satisfied--it's not going to be perfect. oatmeal, i tried that shit for years but it's not for me,
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 12:05 (4 months ago) Permalink
markers, in terms of 'sugar', what you want to do is keep your glycemic index (GI) levels 'flat', meaning no real lows or real highs a lot.
There are different paths that lead to that point. If gradually cutting stuff out works for you, continue on that.
But just so you know, most packaged drinks (unless it's black coffee) will have 'sugar' your body does not need.
Pure fruit extracts are okay, but think of it this way: would you really down 10 oranges in one sitting? The point is there are too many fruits in a cup of fruit extract and this can mess with your GI levels, as well.
I'll tell you my approach based on some scientific data which can be interpreted different ways, but I'll tell you how I interpret it.
First of all, I am not a biologist or a physiologist, so if someone is more aware of the intricacies of the following process, please correct me if I am wrong.
I'm going from memory, but fruit extract only contains the juice which after undergoing this process, is highly hydrolyzed. This means that it is digested and goes into your blood stream faster. When you eat fruit whole, it isn't as hydrolyzed and the rest of its parts help slow down digestion and decrease the speed at which it is 'released'.
So, juice (fruit extract) is like throwing a lot of sugar into your body fast, while eating a fruit is slowly releasing that sugar.
― c21m50nh3x460n, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 17:58 (4 months ago) Permalink
― ṿῗᾄǤℝᾄ (am0n), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 18:57 (4 months ago) Permalink
Yep, cut out the soda. Whether its the fructose in HFCS or the phosphate additives, its not good news. In general, it doesn't seem a good idea to drink your calories (whether soda, milk, juice, or alcohol).
I hydrate with a couple cups of unsweetened black coffee at dawn, a pot of green tea (with a squeeze of lemon juice) in the afternoon, and hibiscus tea (brewed from flor de jamaica) after dinner. All are well documented health foods, even the coffee.
― جهاد النكاح (Sanpaku), Thursday, 17 October 2013 03:56 (4 months ago) Permalink
oh wait please tell me more about the health benefits of jamaica tea; I like that stuff a lot (though I do sweeten it with sugar).
― quincie, Thursday, 17 October 2013 05:11 (4 months ago) Permalink
also is jamaica really different from hibiscus or is it the same damn flower?
Same flower - I just wanted to point out that there were alternatives to Red Zinger tea in the latin groceries. You can eat the petals after a brew, too.
Aside from having pretty much the highest antioxidant content of any herbal tea, hibiscus tea is notably effective in management of high blood pressure, might be neuroprotective, and inhibits angiogenesis in incipient cancers.
― جهاد النكاح (Sanpaku), Thursday, 17 October 2013 05:27 (4 months ago) Permalink
Cool, thanks! I'll pick some up today. How do you brew yours?
― quincie, Thursday, 17 October 2013 14:30 (4 months ago) Permalink
I love jamaica, which by me is labeled "sorrel." I drop one or two blossoms into a pint glass with hot water and sometimes a peppermint teabag, add honey, drink at night. I think it might be a diuretic, although when you drink tea by the pint it's hard to tell exactly which of those things is making you have to pee at 6am.
― Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Thursday, 17 October 2013 14:38 (4 months ago) Permalink
I look forward to drinking it hot! For now, however, I must focus on iced because otherwise I will die of excessive heat, both internal and externally-produced!
My older lady friend's #1 protip for managing hormonal heat problems is to always carry a fan. I need a fan!
― quincie, Thursday, 17 October 2013 14:40 (4 months ago) Permalink
Basically make it with hot water and then refrigerate! Personally I'd stir some honey in while it was still hot but maybe you'll like it unsweetened.
― Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Thursday, 17 October 2013 14:49 (4 months ago) Permalink
Nah, I need some sugar--but not as much sugar as your typical Mexican jugo vendor has incorporated.
― quincie, Thursday, 17 October 2013 15:01 (4 months ago) Permalink
Has the big honey industry scam been discussed on IL Xor yet?
The nutrition gang here seems to be quite small.
― c21m50nh3x460n, Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:11 (4 months ago) Permalink
are you talking about funny honey?
― how's life, Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:23 (4 months ago) Permalink
that's it, ya
― c21m50nh3x460n, Thursday, 17 October 2013 22:36 (4 months ago) Permalink