& i distrust ppl called geoff
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
the bldgblog guy is named geoff and he seems ok
― valleys of your mind (mh), Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
in your opinion
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
ws saying it as something to distrust really - travel one min, jazz the next, now not only film but STALKER! Sounds like a mid-life crisis bk instead of a fully researced account of Tarkovsky and his (and Soviet cinema's) struggle w/the authorities.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
there was one broadsheet review which was all 'less abt tarkovsky than abt geoff dyer' as if that might be more enticing
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Friday, 9 March 2012 00:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
I've read books that ended up being semi-autobiographical about pretty boring people, this couldn't be worse
― valleys of your mind (mh), Friday, 9 March 2012 00:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
Not the recommenation I was looking for!
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 9 March 2012 09:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
"...this emboldened Slate's Dana Stevens, whose contributions up to this point had been inoffensive enough to be ignorable/forgettable, to chime in about the "weak writing" in the film."
Why is Dana Stevens invited to these things? n.b. I can't recall ever reading a Dana Stevens review but her talks on the Culture Gabfest are...lacking.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Sunday, 11 March 2012 06:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
Never heard this term before, only 10 year olds dislike all vegetables.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 11 March 2012 10:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
that phrase was at the center of an NYT Magazine-launched brouhaha over "difficult/boring" films last year.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 March 2012 14:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
There was this not exactly good article on slow cinema. Liked it ended w/Akerman although the quote doesn't sound intelligent.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 11 March 2012 21:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
wow, Kenny wrote they couldn't even find a good print for the New School thing. Imagine how universal that will be 10 years from now.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 March 2012 21:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
is it true that they all died from cancers they picked up while filming in that place?? i can't imagine how wading neck-deep in sewer water in an abandoned hydroelectric plant could have seemed like a good idea ... didn't they have an actor's union?
― renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid)
tarkovsky, his wife, the DP, and the three lead actors all died within 15 yrs of this at relatively young ages iirc, at least three of them of cancer which i think was linked to the filming location (though not definitively.)
― omar little, Sunday, 11 March 2012 22:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
A while back I read that it was some rare type of cancer. The fact that they all had it lent itself to the idea that it was caused by shared environmental exposure.
― elan, Monday, 12 March 2012 00:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
From the Stalker wikipedia page:
Sound designer Vladimir Sharun recalls:We were shooting near Tallinn in the area around the small river Jägala with a half-functioning hydroelectric station. Up the river was a chemical plant and it poured out poisonous liquids downstream. There is even this shot in Stalker: snow falling in the summer and white foam floating down the river. In fact it was some horrible poison. Many women in our crew got allergic reactions on their faces. Tarkovsky died from cancer of the right bronchial tube. And Tolya Solonitsyn too. That it was all connected to the location shooting for Stalker became clear to me when Larisa Tarkovskaya died from the same illness in Paris.
― elan, Monday, 12 March 2012 00:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh, there was another Dyer/screening today :p
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 March 2012 00:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
Have always heard about The Conquerer being a movie that was actually fatal for the people involved; had no idea the same happened with Stalker.
― tanuki, Monday, 12 March 2012 01:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
^blood boils, etc.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 17 March 2012 08:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
Not really...just 'next', you know.
I am at fkn war w/proper spelling and punctuation tho'.
All nothing compared to the awfulness of people dying from the conditions surrounding the Stalker shoot. Was dimly aware of it when a camera man was talking about T and people who had passed on. A 5 min interview on a DVD that was a kinda gem. Wish I had that round here so I could remind myself of exactly what he said.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 17 March 2012 09:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
I read Zona today - I enjoyed it. It's pretty short (you can probably read it in less time than it takes to watch the film) but that's probably for the best. It was a lot lighter than I expected it to be - more of a cultural sorbet than a cultural vegetable.
― windborne grey frogs (dowd), Saturday, 17 March 2012 22:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
Oh, I forgot why I posted. A quote from Zona
"As such it would have rendered that line of Stalker's - 'Home at last' - rather odd. [footnote-] Or maybe not. In the years when I used to go to Burning Man in the Black Rock Desert, we were greeted at the festival entrance with the words 'Welcome Home!' and tears always welled up in my eyes because it was true, because I believed absolutely in the Temporal Autonomous Zone of Black Rock City."
― windborne grey frogs (dowd), Saturday, 17 March 2012 22:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
^ interview here - more of a lamentation for people who passed on, love that shot of the lamp going off..
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 18 March 2012 01:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
inside report from fukushima nuclear reactor evacuation zone
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
Roadside Picnic coming back into print (in English) for the first time in 30 years fwiw
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
bought it at B&N a couple of weeks ago actually!
― I cannot host as my wife hates Walker (latebloomer), Friday, 4 May 2012 07:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
More on the video game:
― toby, Friday, 4 May 2012 08:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
> Roadside Picnic coming back into print (in English) for the first time in 30 years fwiw
amazon.co.uk have always had copies. in fact there as SF Masterworks edition which must be newer as the imprint isn't 30 years old. (2007 it says)
― koogs, Friday, 4 May 2012 08:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah I read the SF Masterworks edition in 2008.
― treefell, Friday, 4 May 2012 12:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
My brother gave me the Geoff Dyer book for my birthday, but I haven't read it yet. Not sure what to expect.
― Moodles, Friday, 4 May 2012 13:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
A heart-stopping, high-octane thrill ride that never let's up, that's what
― bark ruffalo (latebloomer), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
Dyer's greatest regret in life = a good punchline, esp. 'cause you suspect he's serious.
― I serve at the pleasure of Dr. Dre and a team of Sorbonne scientists. (R Baez), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
okay in AMERICA I should have said
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
the vid milton posted is amazing
― ogmor, Monday, 7 May 2012 23:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
otm, completely mesmerising.
― that mustardless plate (Bill A), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 19:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
i have an english PDF of roadside picnic ... one of the fort thunder guys had it downloadable on his website, i believe it was m4t br1nkm4n ... maybe it was even the fort thunder website itself?
seems to have been taken down now but i can share if anybody would like.
― the late great, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 20:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
kind of a bummer because it was where i'd go to read all of the teratoid heights comics
― the late great, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 20:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 22:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Monday, 22 December 2014 20:41 (8 months ago) Permalink
Tarkovsky shot his final two features as an exile in the West. He left the Soviet Union behind, and never returned to science fiction. But he did express an unlikely admiration for James Cameron’s The Terminator (1984), claiming “its vision of the future and the relation between man and its destiny is pushing the frontier of cinema as an art.”
Shame T didn't stick around for Terminator 2.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 22 December 2014 21:58 (8 months ago) Permalink
Good piece - I suppose I'll never be able to read another article about these films w/out seeing a quote from Geoff Dyer but hey ho.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 22 December 2014 22:02 (8 months ago) Permalink
i think this might be my favorite movie now?
i watched it last night for the first time. first tarkovsky film i've seen, period. there are so many things that are wonderful about it, but i'll just point out a few things that stuck with me:
- the opening sequence. it starts with a really slow entrance through a set of open doors, but the doors almost seem to be floating in space. gradually a second layer is overlaid on top of the first, but it's so slow and subtle that i think some people wouldn't even notice. the second layer just barely ~shakes~ up and down, creating a hallucinatory feeling. i wish i was at home so i could include a screenshot, but the effect is absolutely amazing. iirc there's a sword that is part of one of the two layers, and it appears to be leaning up against the wall of the underlying layer. a minute later, an earthquake seemingly occurs and the scene really DOES shake - but of course that turns out to be the nearby train which passes periodically during the first part of the movie. it's just a mindblowing way to open the film.
- i think maybe pashmina mentioned this upthread, but the long take rail sequence into the zone is so good. each of the three characters gets a good, loooooooong time on camera, and then they each get a turn again. they're zooming off into toward this...zone...and they look fearful and courageous at the same time, and curious, and disoriented. but it's really the sound that makes the sequence, starting off with the rhythmic track noise and evolving into musique concrete. speaking of sound...
- the sound in this movie is unbelievably creative, and it carries the movie through some of the slower scenes that aren't as compelling as the others. so many of the sounds were obviously constructed in a studio and added in later. most of the time it's not 'realistic' at all but it's nearly always beautiful sounding. the film is pretty much a dreamtrance, and the sound is a big reason why it works so well. it reminds me of the sound design of Eraserhead, which Lynch and Alan Splet labored over for years, meticulously recording and editing each sound.
- i also enjoyed the allusions to wizard of oz (another lynch thing) - popping into color, falling asleep in the field of flowers, searching for something that grants wishes.
watching solaris (finally) later this week, i can hardly wait!
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 15:18 (5 months ago) Permalink
i'm PAINFULLY overdue for a rewatch of motherfucking Stalker
― a date with density (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 10 March 2015 16:35 (5 months ago) Permalink
only took me ten years to finally watch this movie it was good !
― conrad, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 16:40 (5 months ago) Permalink
it's one of my favourites, as well.
but i gather you need to be in the right state of mind to watch it, because of how slow it is, which is one of the things i love about it
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Tuesday, 10 March 2015 16:43 (5 months ago) Permalink
yeah, the slowness is key. there's so much time to enjoy the visuals. i only wish that i didn't need the subtitles so that my eyes weren't spending so much time at the bottom of the frame.
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 16:48 (5 months ago) Permalink
Just noticed the comments from a few years ago about the Roadside Picnic PDF. I did that, and I had to take it down because I got a cease & desist letter from a lawyer when the new edition was coming out. (And I was not a member of Fort Thunder, but I did run their web site.)
Around 2003 I spent some time making nice PDFs out of Gutenberg Project texts, mostly as an excuse for experimenting with my text justification postscript code. (I think I was also responsable for the first hypertext version of Gibbon's Decline & Fall?) Roadside Picnic was the only thing I did that wasn't completely legal, copyright-wise. (It wasn't clearly illegal either, but not something to argue with lawyers about.)
― Dave fischer, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 21:29 (5 months ago) Permalink
this thread is vintage good ilx
― 龜, Saturday, 18 July 2015 02:56 (1 month ago) Permalink
very grateful to have seen stalker on projected 35mm last night (even if screen was 'small') but the subtitles were so bad! so many phrases seem to have gone untranslated
― 龜, Saturday, 18 July 2015 12:38 (1 month ago) Permalink
remember this thread once this place get engulfed by #futureOfInternets
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 18 July 2015 12:54 (1 month ago) Permalink
― Crawling From The Blecchage (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 18 July 2015 13:33 (1 month ago) Permalink