It's not challops! I found the song Friction, e.g., really really boring until I heard that version.
― simulation and similac (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
I do like the coinage though
― simulation and similac (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
careful, enoic challops are a slippery slope to coldplay
― tylerw, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
this my favourite, like, everything record
― flopson, Thursday, 8 March 2012 00:11 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i know people have strong feelings about it. that's why i wanted to point out that i wasn't, like, trolling or whatever. BUT i can still be critical here. i hope.
― scott seward, Thursday, 8 March 2012 00:14 (twelve years ago) link
i haven't heard much television live but the few videos i saw were kind of disappointing, they have to stand so still and concentrate so hard to play those guitar parts, i always imagined them doing, like, spazzy angular dances or something
― flopson, Thursday, 8 March 2012 00:22 (twelve years ago) link
The redoubtable Doom and Gloom from the Tomb site has put up some really great Television boots. The Portland show from the Earth Tavern blows the Waldorf Show (from the night before?) out of the water. Much rawer and more rocking versions of tunes from Adventure. And for an audience of about 50 from what I can tell!
― broom air, Thursday, 8 March 2012 00:31 (twelve years ago) link
the earth tavern show rules too but i think they are equal just different vibes on each night IMO
plus....the sound quality on the waldorf show goes a long way, damn near studio quality, portland is on the rough side (which actually fits the performance)
― the wild eyed boy from soundcloud (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 8 March 2012 00:32 (twelve years ago) link
p much with you, scott. television to me are a band of a few great songs, a couple great live recordings. but when they're on, they're fucking ON.
― meticulously showcased in a stunning fart presentation (contenderizer), Thursday, 8 March 2012 00:33 (twelve years ago) link
I think it's on Spotify― Mark G, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 20:40 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Mark G, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 20:40 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I think, correctly.
mmmmm! It's a bit good, innit?
― Mark G, Thursday, 8 March 2012 09:19 (twelve years ago) link
still like the roir tape live versions better. like way better.
back in the days when cassetes were still a going concern an ilxor promised to tape me that, never got round to it.
But i should...
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 8 March 2012 09:35 (twelve years ago) link
That's on Spotify as well.
― Mark G, Thursday, 8 March 2012 09:46 (twelve years ago) link
as is obvious from my blog, this band is top 10 for me, if pressed, i might even say marquee moon is my fave rock n roll album ever.
― tylerw, Thursday, 8 March 2012 16:05 (twelve years ago) link
i haven't heard much television live but the few videos i saw were kind of disappointing, they have to stand so still and concentrate so hard to play those guitar parts, i always imagined them doing, like, spazzy angular dances or somethinghttp://www.richardhell.com/jumptv1.jpgthink they were a little spazzy, at least w/ hell in the band, judging from this pic.
― tylerw, Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
haha that's awesome
― flopson, Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
if anyone's interested, i just posted that hellevision comp mentioned above: http://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/18962115402/television-a-season-in-hell-soooo-heres-asome of it's been around the block a bit, but there are some rare-ish things, too.
― tylerw, Thursday, 8 March 2012 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
I am missing something again.
I bought it mid 80s
Revisited since, plenty of times.
Still not great.
― Jessie Fer Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:36 (twelve years ago) link
say why though.
― scott seward, Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:53 (twelve years ago) link
tylerw - excellent comp, thanks, making my way through now. Loving the baselines. Ficca is fkn fine too.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 10 March 2012 10:46 (twelve years ago) link
Be interesting to hear a full album's worth of Marque Moon versions, maybe...
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 10 March 2012 10:55 (twelve years ago) link
on the occasion of its 40th birthday
https://damienlove.com/writing/friction-the-making-of-televisions-marquee-moon
― mookieproof, Friday, 3 February 2017 19:34 (seven years ago) link
sweet - thx!
― for sale: steve bannon waifu pillow (heavily soiled) (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 3 February 2017 19:41 (seven years ago) link
very nice
― tylerw, Friday, 3 February 2017 19:45 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, this was a wonderful read, thanks! I loved this part:
Tom came up with this idea, based on double-features at the movies: two bands each night. Never more, never less. Each would play two sets. So, on one night, you’d have Talking Heads, then Television, then Talking Heads, then Television.
I have never seen this done, and I think it's a great idea.
― Fake posts from a failing poster (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:55 (seven years ago) link
When I saw Television's tour nearly 3 years ago, they had some new songs, and I thought there were plans for a new album. Any word on that?
― Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:03 (seven years ago) link
ha, well, read that Lloyd article linked above -- they've been talking about a new album (and playing various new songs) for well over a decade now.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:05 (seven years ago) link
jimmy ripp has basically said it's done except for the vocals
― his eye is on despair-o (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:56 (seven years ago) link
verlaine is such an odd case -- i wonder if he'll ever write a memoir of any kind.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:26 (seven years ago) link
― tylerw
don't they just do "persia" for 20 minutes at every show?
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:29 (seven years ago) link
yeah that might be the only new thing they do these days. in the early 00s, there were a bunch of things (handily compiled here): http://www.earcandyarchive.com/?p=24
― tylerw, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:34 (seven years ago) link
I wish tom v would write a memoir... as i've made clear i am a bit obsessed with him. There's no way he's ever gonna do it though. He never will, because we want him to. He can barely stand to be interviewed, even.
― his eye is on despair-o (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 21:46 (seven years ago) link
yeah it's unlikely, though I think someone asked him about it (maybe after the Richard Hell book came out?) and he said he was thinking about it.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 21:50 (seven years ago) link
he likes to think about doing things, does our tom
― his eye is on despair-o (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 21:53 (seven years ago) link
haha yeah, i just wonder if he saw patti's book getting on the bestseller lists and thought "hey, i could do that!" probably just a matter of some publisher making a big enough offer ... which is probably not going to happen.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 22:01 (seven years ago) link
Looks like the 2003 expanded remaster of Adventure is OOP, is the MM from the same edition.Shame would hope they'd try to keep both in print.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 23:25 (seven years ago) link
yeah the last CD reissues of the debut and Adventure were from 2003 (along with the essential live at the old waldorf disc). maybe the ship has sailed, but there really should be a Television boxed set of some kind.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 23:27 (seven years ago) link
I actually bought the third album in Oxfam this weekend! £1.99 !
― Mark G, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:24 (seven years ago) link
On CD, I should say.
I love that album
― his eye is on despair-o (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 03:33 (seven years ago) link
I didn't, really. I bought it on LP when it came out, it had that eighties reverb that they'd avoided with the other albums, and the songs didn't connect with me apart from "Call Mr Lee". Also, lots of other records about at the time.
Not played it yet, will let you know.
I know, you can't wait, right?
― Mark G, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 08:16 (seven years ago) link
These are Television fans. They can wait.
― pplains, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 14:04 (seven years ago) link
This is all I could find from a lengthy, now deleted blog post by Steve Kilbey, singer from The Church. He toured with Tom Verlaine and wrote at length about it, not in a particularly flattering way.
i met one of my all time heroestom verlaine (nee miller)he came on tour with us in 1988he was a strange dudepenny pinching hilarious sarcastic weird mannothing like what i expectedhe treated me like a pesky kidand i still vividly remember one day in the dead of wintersomewhere in the north eastwe pulled into this hotel at about 6 amverlaine rings me up 1o minutes after we check inhey kilbey....you wanna go for a uh walkok tom i'll be right therewe walk to the top of this hillwhere theres a kinda resovoir or somethingand then we see a couple of cars of black guyswith some nasty looking deal going downand we start runningtheyre chasing usso we run into these woodsand verlaine is sprinting down this snowy wooded hilllike a prize stallionwhile i on my shorter legs struggled along behindi thinkin how weird this isescaping from these villains with a guy i used to idolize(and fiends, marquee moon IS one of the best records ever)later i meet his mom n dadoutside a gig in phillyand his mom saysyou make sure tom writes to me
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 14:54 (seven years ago) link
haha that's great. for the 40th anniversary of Marquee Moon, I traced the title track's development (via rehearsals/demos/live tapes) -- http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/1438-televisions-punk-epic-marquee-moon-40-years-later/
― tylerw, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 15:23 (seven years ago) link
I dunno, that's reasonably flattering, the guy actually acknowledges support band singers existence. That's not bad going from any headliner.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 15:30 (seven years ago) link
Wowee...can't wait to dig into that. Looks amazing.
xp
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 15:32 (seven years ago) link
So, where is that Portland 17 minute version, then?
― Mark G, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 15:33 (seven years ago) link
thanks, man, let me know what you think ... there's at least one version of the Church covering "Cortez the Killer" with Verlaine on guitar floating around ... iirc it's not quite as good as it sounds in theory, but it's cool.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 15:34 (seven years ago) link
xp -- it's embedded in the article? showing up for me at least ...
― tylerw, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 15:35 (seven years ago) link
Ah, will have to, later. Ta.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 15:36 (seven years ago) link
heads on the hunt for Television rarities should go here: http://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/tagged/television
― tylerw, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 15:38 (seven years ago) link