Best album of every year since....

Yes, I was actually thinking about 'revolver' not about 'rubber soul', my bad, I got confused because I didn't think you'd leave that out and I just realized you exchanged it for 'pet sounds'. Despite containing two of my favorite Beatles' songs 'Sgt Pepper' is a failed concept album by all means.

Can you say the same thing about all the other repeating artists' albums in your list? If you were respecting ranks and sales instead of personal taste you'd at least have one or two pink floyd albums in there.

I've actually just realized by reading on the thread that you're a stubborn 3rd-aged adult and you are not very likely to change your mind or flex a little by now so I might just as well end the conversation here because I'm afraid we'll both be losing our time.

That's a first for ILX

Kinda surprised that Geir prefers Revolver and Hard Day's Night to Rubber Soul - especially the "by far" part. (I just KNOW there's gotta be a decent "Norwegian Wood" joke there for someone to think up!)

Despite containing two of my favorite Beatles' songs 'Sgt Pepper' is a failed concept album by all means.

Absolutely not. It is perfectly genius. An absolutely fantastic album and the pinnacle of The Beatles' work. It was also very important because it influenced the best genre ever: Symphonic Rock!

"By far" was a bit exaggerated, because I love "Rubber Soul" too. But I guess the fact that "Revolver" and "Sgt. Pepper" were mainly McCartney's work makes them better. McCartney was always the biggest musical genius in The Beatles. He is underrated because he was the "nice guy" while Lennon was a "rebel". But his skills were better, plus he had the non-rock background that made The Beatles so great.

1964: John Coltrane - A Love Supreme
1965: Roland Kirk - Rip, Rig and Panic
1966: Baden Powell & Vinicius de Moraes - Os Afro-sambas
1967: Antonio Carlos Jobim - Wave
1968: Aretha Franklin - Lady Soul
1969: Pharoah Sanders - Karma
1970: Curtis Mayfield - Curtis
1971: Alice Coltrane - Universal Consciousness
1972: Hector - Nostalgia
1973: Herbie Hancock - Sextant
1974: Flora Purim - 500 Miles High
1975: Fela Kuti - Expensive Shit
1976: Lalo Schifrin - Black Widow
1977: Hermeto Pascoal - Slaves Mass
1978: Chic - C'est Chic
1979: Sparks - No. 1 in Heaven
1980: Herbie Hancock - Mr. Hands
1981: Grace Jones - Nightclubbing
1982: Jamaaladeen Tacuma - Show Stopper
1983: Amina Claudine Myers Trio - The Circle of Time
1984: Bronski Beat - The Age of Consent
1985: Yello - Stella
1986: Art of Noise - In Visible Silence
1987: Prince - Sign 'O' the Times
1988: Ofra Haza - Shaday
1989: Thomas Mapfumo - Corruption
1990: Ice Cube - AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted
1991: Shakespear's Sister - Hormonally Yours
1992: Ahlam - Revolt Against Reason
1993: Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
1994: Air Liquide - Nephology
1995: Genius/GZA - Liquid Swords
1996: Paperclip People - The Secret Tapes of Dr. Eich
1997: Mouse on Mars - Autoditacker
1998: Pole - 1
1999: Eve - Let There Be Eve... Ruff Ryders' First Lady
2000: Sussan Deyhim - Madman of God
2001: Cannibal Ox - The Cold Vein
2002: Cee-Lo - Cee-Lo Green and His Perfect Imperfections
2003: Burn Friedmann & The Nu Dub Players - Can't Cool
2004: Mariska - Memento Mori
2005: Cheikha Rimitti - N'ta Goudami
2006: Asa - Terveisiä kaaoksesta
2007: Pole - Steingarten
2008: Can't say yet.

1999: Eve - Let There Be Eve... Ruff Ryders' First Lady

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Props on the Cee-Lo though - that man is magic. It's nice to see what he does when it sounds like exactly what he wants it to be.

1995 - Tricky, Maxinquaye
1996 - Tori Amos, Boys For Pele
1997 - Björk, Homogenic
1998 - Lauryn Hill, The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill
1999 - Missy Elliott, Da Real World
2000 - Lil' Kim, The Notorious KIM
2001 - Aaliyah, Aaliyah
2002 - Trina, Diamond Princess
2003 - Dizzee Rascal, Boy In Da Corner
2004 - Teedra Moses, Complex Simplicity
2005 - Kate Bush, Aerial
2006 - Ellen Allien & Apparat, Orchestra Of Bubbles
2007 - Britney Spears, Blackout
2008 - Erykah Badu, New Amerykah Part One: 4th World War

This feels very ILM-Canonical:

1969 – Miles Davis – In A Silent Way
1970 – Alice Coltrane – Journey In Satchidananda
1971 – Can – Tago Mago
1972 – Neu! – Neu!
1973 – Herbie Hancock – Sextant
1974 – Robert Wyatt – Rock Bottom
1975 – Bob Dylan – Blood on the Tracks
1976 – Joni Mitchell – Hejira
1977 – Kraftwerk – Trans-Europe Express
1978 – Magazine – Real Life
1979 – Fleetwood Mac - Tusk
1980 – Talking Heads – Remain in Light
1981 – The Comsat Angels – Sleep No More
1982 – Simple Minds – New Gold Dream (81, 82, 83, 84)
1983 – The Blue Nile – A Walk Across The Rooftoops
1984 – The Smiths – Hatful of Hollow
1985 – Kate Bush – The Hounds of Love
1986 – Sonic Youth - Evol
1987 – Prince – Sign o’ the Times
1988 – Talk Talk – Spirit of Eden
1989 – A.R. Kane - i
1990 – The KLF – Chill Out
1991 – My Bloody Valentine – Loveless
1992 – Madonna – Erotica
1993 – V/A – The Joint
1994 – The Notorious B.I.G. – Ready To Die
1995 – V/A: Grooverider – Hardstep Selection II
1996 – Saint Etienne – Tiger Bay (German Version)
1997 – The Chemical Bros – Dig Your Own Hole
1998 – Hole – Celebrity Skin
1999 – Missy Elliot – Da Real World
2000 – The Avalanches – Since I Left You
2001 – Daft Punk – Discovery
2002 – The Streets – Original Pirate Material
2003 – Luomo – The Present Lover
2004 – Teedra Moses – Complex Simplicity
2005 – V/A: Target – Aim High 2
2006 – The Knife – Silent Shout
2007 – Studio – West Coast

what are you non-compilation picks for 93, 95 and 05 Tim?

1993 - Insides - Euphoria (or possibly Bjork's Debut)
1995 - Tricky - Maxinquaye
2005 - Kate Bush - Aerial (this breaks my half-conscious only one album per artist rule)

I didn't even think I could include compilations, I guess I might've changed my 1996 entry to the Incoming! label comp Submerged Vol. 1 or Warp's Blech and the 1997 entry to Derrick May's Innovator. And Grace Jone's Compass Point Sessions would've been a strong candidate for 1998. Then again, the list is perfectly fine as it is.

And Metalheadz' first Platinum Breaks comp would've been a fine candidate for 1996 too. That's a tough year.

I think Richie Hawtin's Concept 1 also came out in 1996, though I only got it a year or two later.

No, sorry, the original vinyls in the Concept series were released in 1996, but the CD comp only came out in 1998, so I must've bought it then. Another strong candidate for 1998 nevertheless.

I can't think in album terms very well before 1967 so:

1967: Love: Forever Changes
1968: Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention: We’re Only In It For The Money
1969: Dusty Springfield: Dusty in Memphis
1970: The Stooges: Fun House
1971: Sly & the Family Stone: There's a Riot Goin' On
1972: Rolling Stones: Exile on Main St.
1973: New York Dolls: New York Dolls
1974: New York Dolls: In Too Much Too Soon
1975: Steely Dan: Katy Lied
1976: Dr. Buzzard's Original Savannah Band
1977: Miles Davis: Dark Magus
1978: X-Ray Spex: Germfree Adolescents
1979: Chic: Risque
1980: Jon Hassell/Brian Eno: Fourth World Vol. I: Possible Musics
1981: Greatest Rap Hits Vol. 2
1982: The Angry Samoans: Back from Samoa
1983: DeBarge: In a Special Way
1984: Uncut Funk…The Bomb - Parliament's Greatest Hits
1985: New Order: Low-Life
1986: Motorhead: Orgasmatron
1987: Prince: Sign 'O' the Times
1988: Sonic Youth: Daydream Nation
1989: Pussy Galore: Dial 'M' For Motherfucker
1990: The Go-Betweens: 1978-1990
1991: My Bloody Valentine: Loveless
1992: Shanté: The Bitch Is Back
1993: LiLiPUT
1994: History of Our World Part 1: Breakbeat & Jungle Ultramix By DJ DB
1995: Whale: We Care
1996: DJ Shadow: Endtroducing . . .
1997: Tiger: Shining in the Wood
1998: The Music in My Head
1999: The Magnetic Fields: 69 Love Songs
2000: The New Pornographers: Mass Romantic
2001: The Moldy Peaches
2002: The Best Bootlegs in the World Ever
2003: The New Pornographers: Electric Version
2004: Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti: The Doldrums
2005: Wide Right: Sleeping on the Couch
2006: The Knife: Silent Shout
2007: M.I.A.: Kala

I LOVE Lex Pretend's list assuming it's not a joke.

credit to Dizzee for making it in a woman's world

1962 Jacques Brel - Jacques Brel
1963 The Beach Boys - Surfer Girl
1964 The Holy Modal Rounders - The Holy Modal Rounders
1965 The Beach Boys - Today!
1966 The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
1967 The Beach Boys - Smiley Smile
1968 The Byrds - The Notorious Byrd Brothers
1969 Scott Walker - Scott 4
1970 Neil Young - After The Goldrush
1971 Beach Boys - Surf's Up
1972 David Bowie - Ziggy Stardust
1973 Stevie Wonder - Innervisions
1974 Richard & Linda Thompson - I Want To See The Bright Lights Tonight
1975 Kraftwerk - Radioactivity
1976 Lee "Scratch" Perry - Super Ape
1977 Electric Light Orchestra - Out Of The Blue
1978 Devo - Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo!
1979 The Specials - The Specials
1980 Talking Heads - Remain In Light
1981 Abba - The Visitors
1982 Roxy Music - Avalon
1983 Tom Waits - Swordfishtrombones
1984 Talking Heads - Stop Making Sense
1985 Tom Waits - Rain Dogs
1986 Slayer - Reign In Blood
1987 Tom Waits - Franks Wild Years
1988 Run DMC - Tougher Than Leather
1989 Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique
1990 Cocteau Twins - Heaven Or Las Vegas
1991 REM - Out Of TIme
1992 The Prodigy - Experience
1993 Boo Radleys - Giant Steps
1994 Blur - Parklife
1995 Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
1996 Aphex Twin - Richard D James Album
1997 Radiohead - OK Computer
1998 Autechre - LP5
1999 Plaid - Restproof Clockwork
2000 Electric Wizard - Dopethrone
2001 2 Many DJs - This Is Radio Soulwax part 2
2002 Boards Of Canada - Geogaddi
2003 Belle & Sebastian - Dear Catastrophe Waitress
2004 Animal Collective - Sung Tongs
2005 M. Ward - Transistor Radio
2006 The Knife - Silent Shout
2007 Of Montreal - Hissing Fauna, Are You The Destroyer

I conclude that 1988 has to be the worst year for albums ever.

and 2008 so far is Autechre's Quaristice

I am going to be revealed as e-lame by posting this:

1982: Combat Rock – The Clash
1983: Madonna - Madonna
1984: Hatful of Hollow - The Smiths
1985: Starpeace - Yoko Ono
1986: Who Made Who - AC/DC
1987: Come on Pilgrim - The Pixies
1988: Tracey Chapman - Tracey Chapman
1989: Doolittle - the Pixies
1990: Changesbowie - David Bowie
1991: Leisure - Blur
1992: Ooooooohhh.... On the TLC Tip - TLC
1993: Pablo Honey - Radiohead
1994: His n Hers by Pulp
1995: Post - Bjork
1996: The It Girl - Sleeper
1997: The Lonesome Crowded West by Modest Mouse
1998: The Boy with the Arab Strap - Belle & Sebastian
1999: 69 Love Songs - the Magnetic Fields
2000: The Marshall Mathers LP - Eminem
2001: White Blood Cells - the White Stripes
2002: Lifted or The Story Is In The Soil Keep Your Ear To The Ground - Bright Eyes.
2003: Dear Catastrophe Waitress - Belle & Sebastian
2004: Baron Von Bullshit Rides Again - Modest Mouse
2006: Hissing Fauna, Are You the Destroyer - Of Montreal
2007: Blackout - Britney Spears
2008: Juno soundtrack so far

ok so I actually tried to think back to what i loved and played the most each year since '82 (after i got old enough to pay attention to music that wasn't my parents')

'82 Duran Duran: Rio
'83 Michael Jackson: Thriller
'84 Van Halen: 1984
'85 Phil Collins: No Jacket Required lol
'86 Beastie Boys: Licensed To Ill (just barely over Run DMC: Raising hell)
'87 Prince: Sign O' the Times, i guess. I don't remember caring much about anything that came out this year. at the time, of course.
'88 Guns n Roses: Appetite for Destruction
'89 N.W.A.: Straight Outta Compton
'90 Jane's Addiction: Ritual de lo Habitual
'91 Dinosaur Jr.: Whatever's Cool With Me (yeah it's an e.p. so if this is unacceptable then probably Cube's Death Certificate)
'92 Beastie Boys: Check Your Head
'93 Snoop Dogg: Doggystyle
'94 Pavement: Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain
'95 Pavement: Wowee Zowee
'96 Outkast: ATLiens (edging out Wilco's Being There)
'97 hell if i know. i was probably only listening to old stuff. I guess i could throw it to Pavement: Brighten the Corners, but i think i remember not liking it at the time.
'98 Jay-Z: Vol 2: Hard Knock Life
'99 ODB: Nigga Please
'00 The Glands: The Glands
'01 i'm torn like 4 ways. I'll give it to Bonnie Prince Billie: Ease Down the Road
'02 The Reigning Sound: Time Bomb high SChool
'03 New Pornographers: Electric Version
'04
'05 ugh. maybe that LCD Soundsystem?
'06 Jack O. & the Tearjerkers: The Flipside Kid

hey grozart. 1988. you know mary margaret o'hara? you know miss america?

and there was also spirit in eden in 1988. maybe the best year.

spirit of eden

My 80s list back THEN would look something like this

1980: Norske Jenter - The Kids
1981: Dunno, but possibly "The Elder"
1982: Upstairs At Eric's - Yazoo
1983: Colour By Numbers - Culture Club
1984: Into The Gap - Thompson Twins
1985: Dream Into Action - Howard Jones
1986: One To One - Howard Jones
1987: Close To The Bone - Thompson Twins
1988: Provision - Scritti Politti (But spent most of the year buying and digging old Depeche Mode records)
1989: For a while it was all about "The Seeds Of Love" by Tears For Fears.

1977 Giorgio Moroder, From here to eternity
1978 The Only Ones, s/t
1979 Talking Heads, Fear of music
1980 Talking Heads, Remain in light
1981 Flipper, Generic
1982 ABC, The lexicon of love
1983 R.E.M., Murmur
1984 The Smiths, Hatful of hollow
1985 Scritti Politti, Cupid and psyche 85
1986 Slayer, Reign in blood
1987 Sonic Youth, Sister
1988 AR Kane, 69
1989 New Order, Technique
1990 Ice Cube, Amerikkka's most wanted
1991 Nirvana, Nevermind
1992 Pavement, Slanted and enchanted
1993 Insides, Euphoria
1994 Notorious BIG, Ready to die
1995 Mobb Deep, The Infamous
1996 Tortoise, Millions now living will never die
1997 Chemical Brothers, Dig your own hole
1998 Mercury Rev, Deserters songs
1999 Wilco, Summerteeth
2000 Radiohead, Kid A
2001 Daft Punk, Discovery
2002 Sonic Youth, Murray Street
2003 Dizzee Rascal, Boy in da corner
2004 Junior Boys, Last Exit
2005 LCD Soundsystem, s/t
2006 Half Man Half Biscuit, Cammell Laird Social Club
2007 The Go Betweens, Oceans Apart
2008 The Studio, West Coast

I never thought anyone would call 1988 the worst year in albums... In rap alone it's considered maybe the best year ever, with classic albums by the Jungle Brothers, Ultramagnetic MCs, Public Enemy, Booge Down Productions, Big Daddy Kane, etc.

So whenever was rap relevant for me when I decide whether a year was the worst ever?

1988 was the worst ever year for albums (well, since 1963-64 anyway) because it was bad for new romantics, bad for synthpop (truly analog synths were hardly in use at all, outside the Chicago house underground, otherwise it was all sampling and DX7), bad for prog (I mean, even neoproggers like Marillion, IQ and Pendragon went briefly AOR at that point), bad for sophisiticated melodic pop (Deacon Blues, Danny Wilson or Black were hardly 10cc) and bad for indie (late 80s indie sounded even more low budget than it was and the vocals were mixed so low in the production you could hardly hear the melody below all the exaggerated reverb). In other words: Bad for ALL the musical styles that I love.

Excellent news!

From 1988 I luv:

Spirit of Eden
Miss America
Daydream Nation
Isn't Anything
It Takes A Nation of Millions To Hold Us Back
69
The Walking (or is this from 1987)
Strictly Business
The House of Love

Admittedly I'm having trouble coming up with non-canonical choices for that year - I think all of the above bar The Walking have been listed upthread (and anyone who loves Miss America should get on The Walking).

More from '88:

I'm Your Man
Tender Prey
Surfer Rosa

Oh yeah I cosign all three of those actually!

tim your taste in old music shocks me.

I LOVE Lex Pretend's list assuming it's not a joke.

why would it be a joke?!

1988 is the only year you need. spirit of eden was released, and then everything else just became.......average.

Lex's and Tim F's lists are both pretty great

tim your taste in old music shocks me.

Why, because he's actually heard Talking Heads?

Lex, I guess the issue here is that it's hard not to be canonical and a bit boring about old music unless you know the era (or at least a specific genre of it) really well. Probably there were albums released in those decades that I'd like a lot more than the ones I listed if I was aware of them - the flipside of this is that throughout the nineties and this decade there were quite canonical/typical-rock-crit albums I loved that just didn't make my number one spot - e.g. my second favourite album of last year was Panda Bear (sorry!).

Having said that, I listen to Miles Davis/Herbie Hancock/Alice Coltrane/Can in a manner rather similar to how I listen to minimal/techno/etc. I reckon of those albums you'd actually really like In A Silent Way, Journey In Satchidananda and any Can from Tago Mago through Landed. They're all profoundly androgynous and fluid in feel - like, if you like Henrik Schwarz and Achso and Where You Go I Go To I reckon you'd like these albums for some of the same reasons.

Probably my most offensive selection: Blood on the Tracks I've only really gotten into in the past twelve months. I wouldn't call myself a Dylan fan really, although I might become one in the future. From 1975 I like The Hissing of Summer Lawns equally as much but didn't want to list Joni twice. Next choices would be Another Green World and RadioActivity, I think. I'd like to hear the Robert Wyatt and Steely Dan albums that came out in those years, too.

If it makes you feel better, my second choice for 1977 is Donna Summer's Once Upon A Time and my equal second choice for 1978 is C'est Chic, and Michael Jackson's Off The Wall is probably my second choice for 1979.

1964 – the Beatles ~ Beatles for Sale
1965 – the Rolling Stones ~ Out of Our Heads
1966 – the Beatles ~ Revolver
1967 – the Jimi Hendrix Experience ~ Are You Experienced?
1968 – the Velvet Underground ~ White Light/White Heat
1969 – the Rolling Stones ~ Let It Bleed
1970 – Led Zeppelin ~ Led Zeppelin III
1971 – Yes ~ The Yes Album
1972 – the Rolling Stones ~ Exile On Main Street
1973 – Pink Floyd ~ The Dark Side of the Moon
1974 – James Brown ~ The Payback
1975 – Queen ~ A Night at the Opera
1976 – the Modern Lovers ~ The Modern lovers
1977 – Sex Pistols ~ Never Mind the Bollocks…
1978 – Captain Beefheart ~ Shiny Beast
1979 – the Specials ~ The Specials
1980 – Talking Heads ~ Remain In Light
1981 – the Psychedelic Furs ~ Talk Talk Talk
1982 – PRINCE ~ 1999
1983 – Violent Femmes ~ Violent Femmes
1984 – the CURE ~ The Head On The Door
1985 – Fine Young Cannibals ~ Fine Young Cannibals
1986 – PRINCE ~ Parade
1987 – Sonic Youth ~ Sister
1988 – Pixies ~ Surfer Rosa
1989 – De La Soul ~ 3 Feet High and Rising
1990 – Public Enemy ~ Fear of a Black Planet
1991 – Mercury Rev ~ Yourself Is Steam
1992 – Pavement ~ Slanted & Enchanted
1993 – PJ Harvey ~ Rid of Me
1994 – Built To Spill ~ There’s Nothing Wrong With Love
1995 – the Flaming Lips ~ Clouds Taste Metallic
1996 – DJ Shadow ~ Endtroducing
1997 – Modest Mouse ~ The Lonesome Crowded West
1998 – Black Star ~ Mos Def & Talib Kweli are Black Star
1999 – the White Stripes ~ The White Stripes
2000 – the Avalanches ~ Since I Left You
2001 – the White Stripes ~ White Blood Cells
2002 – Ugly Casanova ~ Sharpen Your Teeth
2003 – Cat Power ~ You Are Free

takes a nation of millions to be white

i can do since...1999.
99 - Boredoms - Vision Creation Newsun
00 - Radiohead - Kid A
01 - Daft Punk - Discovery
02 - Broken Social Scene - You Forgot it in People
03 - Lightning Bolt - Wonderful Rainbow
04 - Liars - They Were Wrong, So We Drowned
05 - Lightning Bolt - Hypermagic Mountain
06 - Liars - Drum's Not Dead
07 - Animal Collective - Strawberry Jam
08 - Black Pus - Black Pus 4: All Aboard The Magic Pus

takes a nation of millions to be white

list away, pappa

"I'm Your Man" is the only one of those mentioned 1988 ones that is any good at all (and possibly House Of Love - I haven't heard anything by them other than "Shine On" - which was nice and catchy)

it's hard not to be canonical and a bit boring about old music unless you know the era (or at least a specific genre of it) really well. Probably there were albums released in those decades that I'd like a lot more than the ones I listed if I was aware of them

this is exactly why i don't know (or really care tbh) about old music, i already know i can never know the era like i know mine, and i also know that my appreciation of my favourite music is almost always heightened by knowing my era, so...getting into the past always seems like an unnecessarily sisyphean task. also, my reaction to anything canonical is to avoid it for as long as possible, the entire process of canonisation appalls me.

i do like miles davis, alice coltrane &c...i think i've had like 2, maybe 3 can albums on my computer for over 2 years now and still haven't got round to listening to them.

Canonisation is good and important. The classical canon exists for a reason and it's the same with the rock canon. Plus all musical genres should be judged from a criteria not too unlike classical music.

clash of the tits

judged from a criteria not too unlike classical music

Lol, by these criteria every album on your list is shite. Oh hang on, what am I doing?

"This is exactly why i don't know (or really care tbh) about old music, i already know i can never know the era like i know mine, and i also know that my appreciation of my favourite music is almost always heightened by knowing my era, so...getting into the past always seems like an unnecessarily sisyphean task."

I pretty much agree with this. Most of the time when I get into old music it's more because the specific artifact represents some idea or style that seems really crucial to me in an atemporal sense. Like, with Can, I don't really care about the position in 1970s music, their influence on post-punk etc. It's really much more about what they were doing with rhythms and grooves, which strikes me as existing on this horizon of, um, jagged funkiness (stay with me here) that a lot of my favourite music gets to but has difficulty getting past (perhaps in the same sense that you can't get past a horizon. So the reference points for Can for me are not so much Faust or P.I.L. and more other stuff from a whole host of styles which I feel exists on that same horizon. I made a comp the other day with Can's "Spoon" and Talking Heads' "The Great Curve" but also 2-step, A Guy Called Gerald jungle, Matias Aguayo, dancehall, Bubba Sparxx, 'O'Rang... It makes more sense to me to think of Can in a constellation like that, one that, I guess, effaces the canonical hierarchy between all these things but without extinguishing the point of difference that is uniquely Can's. I think Can are important, but I don't think you (or, perhaps, rather, I) can grasp that importance terribly well by approaching them with some more typical canonical framework such as "krautrock".