Robyn Hitchcock/Soft Boys: Classic or Dud?

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I'm very fond of I Often Dream of Trains.

Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 7 July 2005 00:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I still defend Perspex Island.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 7 July 2005 00:21 (eighteen years ago) link

soft boys--classic
robyn hitchcock--classic

i'd say that the best way to experience robyn these days is to see him live--he's got such a wealth of great songs at this stage in his career. And usually, the more recent songs sound better in person than they do on record. there are a few live shows on archive.org's live music database if you're curious.

also worth seeking out is the soft boys' live at portland arms LP (some of which is on the ryko overview). hilarious and unplugged.

and ned, it sounds as though we were probably at the same mccabes show in 1995--i think my friend and i were the only teenagers in the house. if you ever digitize your tape, i'd love to relive it.

tylerw, Thursday, 7 July 2005 01:17 (eighteen years ago) link

also, in the middle of one of those 1995 mccabes shows, i realized that i was sitting next to none other than adam duritz. true story.

tylerw, Thursday, 7 July 2005 01:19 (eighteen years ago) link

No mention of Old Pervert or Insanely Jealous?

Jamey Lewis (Jameys Burning), Thursday, 7 July 2005 02:21 (eighteen years ago) link

insanely jealous old pervert?

chief of chaff (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 7 July 2005 02:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Robyn was a streak of genuine weirdness on the alt pop charts in the eighties, his records definitely helped get through high school back then. The live shows were incredible, the improvised stories he'd spin between songs always made sense.

He's one of two people I ever asked for an autograph. Philip Glass was not in a good mood when I walked up, 15 years old & nervous, having spotted him in the lobby during the intermission to the Knee Plays... can't blame him for scowling at me. Robyn on the other hand was impossibly cool about the awkward situation, saying while signing my copy of Trains "well y'know it's no good having heroes, especially once you get to know them and realize they have all the same problems..." I assured him that was the point.

milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 7 July 2005 06:23 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
I noticed the similarities between the Left Banke's I Haven't Got the Nerve tune and I Wanna Destroy You a few weeks ago. Who knows? It's a good tune either way but thought someone might appreciate it.

http://s25.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1VM7K048PQ0GF268VGEO0NXEHR

Cunga (Cunga), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 08:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Underwater Moonlight is one of the best records ever made.

zeus, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 08:21 (eighteen years ago) link

nine months pass...
The Soft Boys (esp. Can of Bees, Underwater Moonlight and Invisible Hits, the cream of the crop) are absolute classic. No doubt about it. Nextdoorland is really good as well, esp. Mrs. Kennedy.

As for Robyn Hitchcock, his first album, Black Snake Diamond Role continued the Soft Boys course honorably - "Acid Bird" especially is classic. Also, his third, I Often Dreamt of Trains is excellent too. Hilarious (and very British) songs like "Uncorrected Personality Traits" and "Sometimes I Wish I Were a Pretty Girl" (..so I could ---- myself in the shower..) sit next to absolutely gorgeous quiet and sad songs. His 80s and 90s stuff gets a bit too slick for my tastes, losing its classic edge - some good moments though. Haven't heard his most recent stuff...mixed bag, as other said.

Nick Wilson, Friday, 2 June 2006 05:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I absolutely like his later stuff too. He does pop after all, and pop may well benefit from a slick production (that being said, the rawer sound of "Underwater Moonlight" doesn't make that album any less excellent, partly because the songs he wrote for that album are better than any songs he has been able to write since)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:20 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...
i was overcome with the need to listen to robyn hitchcock's "i often dream of trains" this evening, but alas, i am unable to find my copy of it anywhere. i'm feeling rather distraught about all this. i haven't ripped and ipodified that one yet and now i'm terrifically disappointed that i didn't.

anyway: classic. i heard solo hitchcock first, and have always had a preference for the early stuff, though i did snag a copy of "spooked" and found it quite entertaining. the 90's stuff often bores me, though certainly "moss elixir" has it moments. but "trains" and "fegmania!" are my favorites.

soft boys, also classic. picked up the matador rerelease of "underwater moonlight" when it came out and loved it. played that this evening in lieu of "i often dream of trains".

Emily B (Emily B), Friday, 15 September 2006 05:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Listened to "Fegmania" the other day and it is absolutely ace. Particularly "The Man With The Lightbulb Head" and "My Wife And My Dead Wife".

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:39 (seventeen years ago) link

New Robyn Hitchcock w/band album coming out soon on Yep Rock. The track I've heard (something about a Rocketship) sounded promising.

dlp9001 (dlp9001), Friday, 15 September 2006 20:35 (seventeen years ago) link

i've always had mixed feelings, I loved it all but kinda grew out of some of the wackier stuff. Now I look at something like Trains and the stuff that's a bit "silly" I have to skip over, but the other stuff is some of the most beautiful music ever.

He played at Oberlin when I was there to a small crowd and encored with Autumn is Your Last Chance.

I also have a severe soft-spot for Queen Elvis.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 15 September 2006 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link

A Can of Bees and the comp "76-81" is all you need in my opinion. Underwater Moonlight just doesn't do it for me really and Robyn's solo stuff has never been my cup of tea.

Randall Weeber (yoyoweb), Saturday, 16 September 2006 01:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I've heard that Robyn Hitchcock and the Venus 3 on Yep Yoc -- it's the guys from the Minus 5 backing him up. Peter Buck and Scott McCaughey and the other guy (forget his name). It's pretty good, very power pop.

mcd (mcd), Saturday, 16 September 2006 03:00 (seventeen years ago) link

A Can of Bees is a much more uneven affair than Underater Moonlight. 'Anglepoise Lamp' is one of Hitchcocks's best song though, strange, that nobody mentioned that in the thread.

zeus (zeus), Saturday, 16 September 2006 10:39 (seventeen years ago) link

The second side of Invisible Hits is incredible. Starts and ends with silly, ultra-catchy pop songs ("Rock'n'roll Toilet" and "He's A Reptile"), and in between are three of the most vicious love songs Hitchcock ever wrote.

clotpoll (Clotpoll), Saturday, 16 September 2006 16:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Enormous love for Fegmania!, Globe of Frogs, Queen Elvis, Moss Elixir, Perspex Island. Everybody seems to love Eye but I could never dig it. I have some fabulous radio-session versions of Luxor material but have been strangely reticent to buy it.

Soft Boys: Of course Underwater, and I really liked Nextdoorland, but their earliest stuff is too raw for me.

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Saturday, 16 September 2006 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I love the early stuff, esp the Wading Through a Ventilator ep and the best song ever = The Face of Death.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 16 September 2006 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I do wish he had hung on more to the musically quirky (as opposed to lyrically quirky) side that produced Leppo and Do Policemen Sing (probably my favorite track of his) etc., but that seems to have mostly vanished early in his solo days.

I'm not the first one to mention it...I think Trouser Press says this too, but Respect is kind of a great lost RH album and a great comeback after the overproduced Perspex Island. (Recently downloaded the Perspex demos, and am finally enjoying these songs stripped of some of the gloss.)

dlp9001 (dlp9001), Saturday, 16 September 2006 22:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Besides the usual complaints about the snare sound, how is Perspex Island overproduced?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 16 September 2006 22:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I hardly know how to answer...it seems so obvious that I'm going to assume that anyone who disagrees is never going to change their mind. I wish I had some way to upload, for example, the acoustic demo of Oceanside to compare with the album version. Soulseek to the rescue?

dlp9001 (dlp9001), Saturday, 16 September 2006 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Soulseek to the rescue?

I was just going to ask you where you found the Perspex demos. I saw him in LA a couple times when he was still working on the Perspex material and I've always like the original versions better than what turned up on the album.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 16 September 2006 22:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmm. I just can't imagine "If You Go Away," "So You Think You're in Love," "Lysander," and the title track sounding better.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 16 September 2006 22:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Besides the usual complaints about the snare sound, how is Perspex Island overproduced?

Two words: Paul Fox.

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Sunday, 17 September 2006 02:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I actually tried listening to the Underwater Moonlight album some months back for the first time in like 16 years, simply because I was considering selling it cause I never play it. And to my surprise I quite enjoyed it. Maybe it made more sense now since I've become such a post-punk fiend, but then it also had that psychedelic touch...I just seemed to understand it better than I did then. In the past my favourite Soft Boys album was always "Invisible Hits" and I still think that's better, but...

Ficky Stingers (Bimble...), Sunday, 17 September 2006 08:42 (seventeen years ago) link

It's so easy when you change the subject to Soft Boys rather than Robyn Hitchcock, because then you only have to compare a few albums. See how I pulled that off?

Well I got word he's to have a new album out with a new band. It's called Ole Tarantula I think, something like that.

Ficky Stingers (Bimble...), Sunday, 17 September 2006 08:44 (seventeen years ago) link

"Sandra's Having Her Brain Out" is my favorite song bar-none.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Monday, 18 September 2006 00:15 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Anyone listen to Ole yet? So far it sounds pretty great. Tons of harmonies from Morris and Kimberly Rew plays on a handful of tracks. Much stronger than his last few band albums, including the Nexdoorland.

dan. (dan.), Monday, 9 October 2006 14:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm really enjoying Olé! Tarantula. It is a throwback in many ways - it sounds if this was recorded after Respect. The Venus 3 compliment him much as the Egyptians did, and having the second guitar helps many of the songs. It is a nice mix of old and new material - the title track and "Museum of Sex" I know I've heard him play a few times in the last five years.

I blathered on and on (without saying much at all) about it here. Normally I don't self-promote, but I didn't feel like rehashing it all in condensed form.

EZ Snappin (EZSnappin), Monday, 9 October 2006 15:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I really like Black Snake Diamond Role, his first solo album, but I rarely see that one mentioned. I also dig Globe of Frogs probably because that was the first Hitchcock I ever got...

N Mallin (DocMartensBoots), Monday, 9 October 2006 15:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Globe of Frogs is very digworthy. Did I say Classic yet?

Sweat Loaf (Sweat Loaf), Monday, 9 October 2006 15:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Ok this is great. Ramble, Ole and Briggs are some of his best songs, ever. Underground Sun is upbeat as he's ever been and the so-so songs are at least interesting and even then there are only a couple.

dan. (dan.), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

is there a new record?

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, it's called Ole! Tarantula

zeus (zeus), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link

everything i've heard so far i've enjoyed enormously, more than i have any of his past four or so albums. even "spooked". love "museum of sex", it's terrifically entertaining.

Emily B (Emily B), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 23:41 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
This Google ilx search function is not all it's cracked up to be and I resent having my threads locked because of it.

Kid B (Bimble...), Monday, 13 November 2006 04:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm just trying to talk about Underwater Moonlight here, and what a fantastic fucking CD it is. That's all. It's a crime, isn't it? I'll be banished to hell for this. Censored. Thrown out in the street. Just for liking the Soft Boys. I'm waiting. Let's go.

Kid B (Bimble...), Monday, 13 November 2006 04:59 (seventeen years ago) link

The gallows at 7 AM! I'll be there! With my hippie lawyer!

Kid B (Bimble...), Monday, 13 November 2006 05:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Also Invisible Hits used to be my favourite. I actually have that again. I can play it right now. You would hate that wouldn't you?

Cause you're just an old pervert and you hang around "under the bridge".

I won't do you no harm I just wanna show you what's in my fridge...

Kid B (Bimble...), Monday, 13 November 2006 05:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Somehow having this whole obsession with post-punk era music has served to increase my love of the Soft Boys, whom I never rated that high before, at least not as high as Hitchcock solo.

Umpire Teen (Bimble...), Saturday, 18 November 2006 04:17 (seventeen years ago) link

ROCK N'ROLL TOILET!!!

Umpire Teen (Bimble...), Saturday, 18 November 2006 04:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah if there's one song besides "Give It To The Soft Boys" that everyone needs to hear, it's "Rock & Roll Toilet".

Umpire Teen (Bimble...), Saturday, 18 November 2006 04:59 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
I heartily approve of the new album. Wonderful harmonies. I also recently heard the Soft Boys' Side Three EP, which is all outtakes from Nextdoorland. It's not their best work, but "Narcissus" really should have been on the album.

clotpoll (Clotpoll), Thursday, 4 January 2007 19:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I was listening to A Can Of Bees just yesterday! Great band.

All I know by Robyn Hitchcock solo is his cover of Kung Fu Fighting! Which does rule.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 4 January 2007 20:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Fuggin' classic all the way.

Love the Soft Boys, love solo Hitchcock, though both are frustratingly hit or miss. Understand the objections to Hitch's stereotypically Engwish brand of teapot psychedelia, but his best tunes are organic, moving and catchy as hell - and he's got a TON of best tunes. He's similar to Robert Pollard in that the superficial non-sequiters conceal/reveal a core of real longing and alienation that'll draw blood if you let it. He can be cute 'n' funny without being cloying, too, which is a rare trick.

Recent stuff is patchy, but Invisible Hitchcock, Queen Elvis, I Often Dream of Trains, Eye and Mossy Liquor are (relatively) solid. Lots of great stuff buried elsewhere, too.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Thursday, 4 January 2007 22:32 (seventeen years ago) link

seven months pass...

Yep Roc is starting to reissue Robyn's back catalogue. The first box will include _Black Snake_, _I Often Dream Of Trains_, _Eye_ and a 2 disc set of odds and sods. _Groovy Decay_ will be available as a digital download (Robyn always hated it, I guess that's why no physical reissue).

Next year brings another box containing _Fegmania_, _Gotta Let This Hen Out_, _Element Of Light_ and another odds and sods disc.

I, for one, am totally looking forward to the barrel scrapings. Seriously. I mean, _Invisible Hitchcock_ and _You & Oblivions_ are b-sides and outtakes and are packed with gems.

Mr. Odd, Thursday, 9 August 2007 15:01 (sixteen years ago) link

They're saying the 2-disc oddities part will have a lot of unheard stuff. Also:

"All of the individual albums feature bonus tracks and enhanced liner notes, including Hitchcock's personal reminiscences on Black Snake and While Thatcher, an extract from a novel in progress on Trains and several pieces of original poetry on Eye, along with previously unpublished photos and Hitchcock cartoons."

Hopefully the bonus tracks for Black Snake et al will be different from the ones on the last editions.

Jon Lewis, Thursday, 9 August 2007 15:10 (sixteen years ago) link

at long last — https://aquariumdrunkard.com/2022/11/07/robyn-hitchcock-the-aquarium-drunkard-interview-2/

I think it turned out OK!

tylerw, Monday, 7 November 2022 16:19 (one year ago) link

how's the new album? I guess I could listen to it.

akm, Monday, 7 November 2022 17:15 (one year ago) link

when is someone gonna reissue the Soft Boys "Live At The Portland Arms" record? I love that thing and it's never even been on CD.

sleeve, Monday, 7 November 2022 17:16 (one year ago) link

thought the new one was pretty middling tbh

ciderpress, Monday, 7 November 2022 17:17 (one year ago) link

Tyler - great interview, particularly liked the question and his answer about singing songs written 40 years ago. I've had other songwriters say basically the same thing to me, that the best songs reveal different aspects as the years go by.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 7 November 2022 20:34 (one year ago) link

Thanks! Love talking to Robyn, he's definitely a thoughtful guy.

I think his new one is a grower maybe — a handful of duds, but that's sort of par for the course. Really love "The Man Who Loves The Rain" and "Feathery Serpent God" ...

tylerw, Tuesday, 8 November 2022 20:01 (one year ago) link

nine months pass...

Maisie, Robyn’s only child, has passed away four years after a stage 4 ovarian cancer diagnosis; she was 47. He wrote something beautiful and devastating on Instagram.

realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 13 August 2023 16:18 (eight months ago) link

Awfully tragic -- did see note indicates she had a brother.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 August 2023 16:49 (eight months ago) link

I read that, it was very sweet and sad. Don't know anything about his personal life beyond his current relationship with Emma Swift, but I like to imagine he was a fun dad.

Oh how sad, I was hoping she could beat it.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 13 August 2023 19:33 (eight months ago) link

I remember some strange interview way back when between Robyn and a teenage Maisie, it was in Spin Magazine or something similar, they seemed to have a lovely mutual appreciation of the surreal.

MaresNest, Sunday, 13 August 2023 20:39 (eight months ago) link

yeah, nickn pasted from facebook to Rolling Obits, where there was no response so far, deserves to be preserved here:

From his fb post:

Maisie Hitchcock 1976 - 2023
My daughter Maisie Emerald Hitchcock passed gently out of this life on the evening of Wednesday August 9th. She was born on the first warm day of the year, April 17th, in Cambridge, and died as night fell in Sussex last week. She had Peritoneal Cancer, a rare form of Ovarian.
Maisie was vital. From the perspective of only three days, I can feel how unique she was: very much her own person with her own take on life. There was no filter between her feelings and the outside world. Her undiluted Maisie-ness and her deep dark eyes gave her a magical charisma which attracted her many friends. She was fiery at times, almost combustible: she didn’t just smoulder - she was an ingot of crimson heat, and so she loved to douse herself in water, swimming in lakes and pools and oceans. Maisie fed on art, music, thought and the wild open air. And comedy: she and I spent many hours together in Python Land, and she introduced me to the Mighty Boosh. I have lost, too, my fellow Ferry connoisseur - we did a *lot* of Bryan Ferry over the decades.

But Maisie also fed on food (she loved her food, so she did), and one of the sad and terrible effects of the cancer that she held at bay for nearly three years (despite being diagnosed with Stage 4 in autumn 2020) was that she could eat less and less. She remained feisty and optimistic for the longest time, until this summer she bravely faced up to the inevitable and discontinued her chemotherapy treatment. I was glad to be able to visit her most days in her final two months. We had some laughs, some arguments and a lot of philosophy: Mais and I could both wander the labyrinths of the mind for hours.

Almost the last word she said to me was “Pangolin” before she curled away and sank back into her morphine cocoon. My phone revealed this to be an endangered species of anteater, with a scaly dragon tail. Pangolin! I mean - jeez, what an utterance - what way to go…Tears are back in my eyes. Thank you for being my daughter, Mais. You were special, vibrant and lovely.

I’m sending out love to all who loved and cared for Maisie, especially her mum Rosalind and brother Jack. Also the nurses and doctors at the Wiltshaw Ward in the Marsden Hospital in Chelsea and then at St. Peter & St. James Hospice in Sussex.

“Is there a heaven? I’d like to think so.”

dow, Sunday, 13 August 2023 21:47 (eight months ago) link

Brutal, so sad.

tylerw, Sunday, 13 August 2023 22:05 (eight months ago) link

Yeah--in part because of the beauty, his most expressive writing that I've seen---didn't know anything about her, but I feel like I do now. Rock on Maisie, pangolin and all!

dow, Sunday, 13 August 2023 22:42 (eight months ago) link

that is so beautiful

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Sunday, 13 August 2023 22:53 (eight months ago) link

Ach, I'm crying. So sad. Thanks for posting.

three of the doctor's valuable bats are now dead (broom air), Sunday, 13 August 2023 23:32 (eight months ago) link

What a remarkable tribute

Nonhuman biologics enthusiast (morrisp), Monday, 14 August 2023 01:41 (eight months ago) link

one month passes...

Good lord, what an awful year for the family.

My lovely wife has been through hell this summer. Please read this thread. https://t.co/DtGMqmWsux

— Robyn Hitchcock (@RobynHitchcock) September 28, 2023

JoeStork, Friday, 29 September 2023 23:12 (six months ago) link


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