Dirty Projectors

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yeah

how is being conscious of your sound a bad thing?

talk about cockism

vadx, Friday, 5 October 2007 19:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

yeah, i'd take overly composed music over another sloppy jam band anyday.

bell_labs, Friday, 5 October 2007 19:47 (nine years ago) Permalink

I don't necessarily mean it's over-composed

Hurting 2, Friday, 5 October 2007 19:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

I know.

Really though, I think the "look at me!" with acts like this is more in the listener who's threatened by like the flamboyant content or something.

I mean wouldn't saying a rapper gave off the vibe "lok at me, I'm an eclectic self-expressive genius" usually be a compliment?

vadx, Friday, 5 October 2007 20:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

i listened to some of this. i didn't even get the black flag thing at all. sometimes stuff like this seems like it was written with a press release first, just to bait rock writers, then do the album after it.

M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 5 October 2007 20:08 (nine years ago) Permalink

there's also the possibility that people WANT to make music that sounds different

not that this is the differentest band ever... but compared to a good deal of indie rock they are

vadx, Friday, 5 October 2007 22:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

i really like this band, but lately the lyrics really bug me. not even his weird singing voice, just the lyrics themselves. the rest of it is so meticulous and then that part is just kind of phoned in...

wait the black flag part of the lyrics ?

tramp steamer, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 00:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

uhh what? not all of their songs are black flag covers...i haven't even listened to the one that is

bell_labs, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 00:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

err the one album that is. i was mostly talking about getty address and the glad fact.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 00:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

When I saw them live I kept thinking "Jesus, shut that guy up and let the girls sing." Then I got a promo of the album (whatever one was before the Black Flag thing) and kept thinking, "Oh, you precious fuck, shut the hell up and let the girls sing."

I eat cannibals, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 00:23 (nine years ago) Permalink

Oh, and to answer the years-old question: No, the reason that no one wrote about this is not because it was too complicated. It was because if you like complicated music, this is disappointing and if you like poppy music, this is annoying. It hits the same dilettante weirdness level as Animal Collective.

I eat cannibals, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 00:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

i'm kind of afraid to listen to the black flag covers.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 00:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

<i>i'm kind of afraid to listen to the black flag covers.</i>

You should be...it's awful stuff.

kwhitehead, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 01:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

I mean wouldn't saying a rapper gave off the vibe "lok at me, I'm an eclectic self-expressive genius" usually be a compliment?

-- vadx, Friday, October 5, 2007 4:06 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Link

NO

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 02:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

C'mon, ILM! No love for Rise Above? This is a kick-ass record.

call all destroyer, Friday, 7 December 2007 18:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, I played Six Pack on my radio show about a month ago.
Really cool.

Trip Maker, Friday, 7 December 2007 18:51 (nine years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

i'm revisiting this now (it's getting a whole lot of love around montreal, randomly) and i've decided it's great. more the beginning than the end, though, i think.

sean gramophone, Friday, 18 January 2008 22:11 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Rise Above" is the best thing on it.

Simon H., Friday, 18 January 2008 22:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

i too had my misgivings about this band but the absolutely killed it last night in portland. fuck. like why do i even try to make music?? one of those shows ...

interesting fact: apparently ezra koenig of vampire weekend was a dirty projector between 2002-05. the fuck?~!?

uptown churl, Thursday, 17 April 2008 23:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

I read this http://www.sfbg.com/entry.php?entry_id=6538 article in the newspaper. I didn't know until just now that Dirty Projectors were supposed to be fake afropop. I thought they were supposed to be Don Caballero with sick lyrics and harmonies over it.

Has the singer guy from Dirty Projectors ever said himself that he is ripping off black people, or is it just a music journalist overlay? I always thought their sound was just math rock. (Or is it that math rock is ripping off black people??)

Please clarify, thanks.

freewheel, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 00:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

he does use some afro-pop guitar work on his records, guitar picking techniques and such, but it's not like it's anything new in rock to do this.

Has the singer guy from Dirty Projectors ever said himself that he is ripping off black people

haha, no, i don't think so

oscar, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 01:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

also this :

Vampire Weekend; Arctic Monkeys of 2008?

for an indepth discussion that would prove interesting to you, if you take issue with that article

oscar, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 01:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

Has the singer guy from Dirty Projectors ever said himself that he is ripping off black people, or is it just a music journalist overlay? I always thought their sound was just math rock. (Or is it that math rock is ripping off black people??)

All I know of Dirty Projectors is whatever the ~hour long animated thing on pitchfork.tv is (which is pretty consistently great, actually) and a live show I caught in Ithaca a few months back. Neither one of those sounded remotely like what you're describing.

Z S, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 01:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

Seeing them live just solidified how fucking great they are for me.. They did mostly 'Rise Above' stuff and it all sounded stunning...the amazing harmonies, the gobsmacking guitar work...it just sounded effortless and brilliant.

I get the feeling they've yet to do their best stuff though. And folks who lump 'em in with Vampire Weekend are just wrong, if anyone actually does who has heard them both.

Mister Craig, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 07:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

There's some sproingy guitar that suggests they've listened to a few afropop records, but to lump them in with a movement like that is selling them way short--they are playing with the full musical deck and have been for a few albums now.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

How is Dirty Projectors anything like Vampire Weekend? I mean, they're both indie Ivy League bands in New York City, but Dirty Projectors is somewhere in the "weirdy beardy" brand whereas Vampire Weekend's more like MTV pop.

burt_stanton, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

I've had Rise Above for a few months. "Gimmie Gimmie Gimmie" is very good and the title track is nice, but the rest doesn't do much to tickle my giblets. Is any of their other stuff worth getting?

Freedom, Thursday, 30 October 2008 18:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

I love the way this guy wails. im not too keen on how some of 'The Getty Address' sounds. I find the plonker percussion really grating, but the arrangements are mostly great. 'New Attitude' is my pick. The track 'Fucked For Life' is incredible. You get a sense that with such a strong voice, and the ability to find those snatches of awesome melodic counterparts that there is an ability to just not be so damn difficult with the songs, but i adore how it just is.

siskin/skulls, Thursday, 30 October 2008 21:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

Slaves' Graves and Ballads!

BusDriverStu (Bus Driver Stu), Friday, 31 October 2008 08:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

new album has leaked and is pretty amazing

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 10 April 2009 11:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

That Phoenix compilation with the Rise Above cover (while I was in the middle of rediscovering Damaged) made me curious enough to want to hear this. The Getty Address was pretty great imo.

Plaxico (I know, right?), Friday, 10 April 2009 11:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

I've had "Stillness is the Move" on repeat since yesterday

Number None, Friday, 10 April 2009 11:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

new one is pretty pretty good. very schizophrenic.

cutty, Friday, 10 April 2009 12:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

new album has leaked and is pretty amazing

― congratulations (n/a), Friday, April 10, 2009 6:23 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark

the sultan of ban (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 07:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

love this. "no intention" and "two doves" are each magnificent

europeen handball (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 04:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's like if matthew friedberger wrote vampire weekend an album

the sultan of ban (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 04:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

i just realized that it reminds me most menomena, but much better

the sultan of ban (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 09:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

i really can't tell if those descriptions should make me excited or not

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 13:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

i hate all the bands j0rdan mentioned but i like this album

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 13:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

not saying those aren't appropriate sonic comparisons, just saying that not liking those dudes isn't a guarantee you won't be into this

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 13:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

this music is insane

cutty, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 13:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's like if matthew friedberger wrote vampire weekend an album

― the sultan of ban (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, April 15, 2009 12:33 AM (9 hours ago)

i've never really gotten the parallels people draw between VW and dirty projectors, even after learning that koenig was a dirty projector for a few years. some of the vocal inflections he and longstreth do are similar, maybe

europeen handball (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 14:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

i can hear it in the guitars a little bit

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 14:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

did not know that is v. surprising

Plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 14:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

funny, i've just been getting around to rise above. does the new stuff have all kinds of crazy-ass tempo changes?

Ømår Littel (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 14:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

here and there, i guess, but that's not really what i took from it

europeen handball (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 14:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

yes it does

cutty, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 14:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

sweet

Ømår Littel (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 14:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

I wish the album were longer. It was great, then Flourescent Half-Dome made my head explode, then it was over.

Tourtiere (Owen Pallett), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 14:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

fgti, do you think what Beyonce did to Jay Z on Lemonade was abusive?

Frederik B, Saturday, 25 February 2017 20:26 (yesterday) Permalink

lmaoooo

fgti, Saturday, 25 February 2017 20:32 (yesterday) Permalink

1st: whiney you're comparing end-of-year blurbs with a personal essay and saying she must be racist because of number of paragraphs-devoted-to and I'm sorry you are literally reaching so far here please somebody talk to the man right now so I don't feel crazy, also it is not at all my place or yours really to start a discussion about how white women are supposed to write about misogynist rap music, please somebody say something please

2nd: Frederik the implied violence-against-women that is present in this DP album is not present in the Beyonce record because of the opposite gender roles and also there is more conspicuousness on that record and its roll-out and subsequent nuptials suggesting that husband-and-wife felt it was an empowering and artistic statement for black women so no basically not at all; I did think that people going on "who is becky" scavenger hunts was closer to abusive behaviour

fgti, Saturday, 25 February 2017 20:38 (yesterday) Permalink

Wtf. What violence?

Frederik B, Saturday, 25 February 2017 20:40 (yesterday) Permalink

Have you even heard the record yet?

Frederik B, Saturday, 25 February 2017 20:40 (yesterday) Permalink

If you do not see the IMPLIED violence-against-a-woman in what is being sung on the DPs record then that's fine. Me, I think that telling the audience that you wrote a woman's breakthrough hit, singing "I wanted art / you wanted fame", singing "I'm shining like tears in the rain / you're shining like fifteen minutes of fame", plus all the excessive other b.s. slung on this album constitutes implied violence against a woman, yes.

fgti, Saturday, 25 February 2017 20:45 (yesterday) Permalink

Have you heard the album?

Frederik B, Saturday, 25 February 2017 20:48 (yesterday) Permalink

this thread is going placds

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Saturday, 25 February 2017 20:53 (yesterday) Permalink

*places

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Saturday, 25 February 2017 20:53 (yesterday) Permalink

Ffs Frederick I have literally heard the record a dozen times over the last six months please stop talking to me

fgti, Saturday, 25 February 2017 20:55 (yesterday) Permalink

It's the same two or three lines that are excerpted over and over, then coupled with 'plus everything else' and there really isn't that much else. It's a breakup album, there's rage, there's anger, there's sorrow. And yeah, Keep Your Name especially is contemptible and extreme, and it was probably really stupid to release that as the first single, but the storyline is also him beginning in that place and by the end of the album reaching some kind of peace and acceptance. And even in Keep Your Name he has the momentary self insight to sing 'I wasn't there for you / I didn't pay attention / I didn't take you seriously And I didn't listen' which he then loses again immediately. There are, like, different voices and shit on this album. I wonder what would have happened if he had released Cool Your Heart as the first single.

And no, it's different from Lemonade, mostly because Lemonade is an astonishing piece of art, and that tends to transcend problems, while nothing is transcend here. But some of the critique itt is way overblown. I don't hear implied violence in him saying he wrote a song he has a songwriting credit on, from a band where he was known as the main songwriter, that sounds an awful lot like a lot of other songs he has written.

Frederik B, Saturday, 25 February 2017 21:00 (yesterday) Permalink

indie rock musicians and indie rock critics really deserve each other

sleepingbag, Saturday, 25 February 2017 21:02 (yesterday) Permalink

Dre beat up Barnes, abt 25% of Future's songs're abt treating women like meaningless shit, Longstreth is being a dick about his ex. Whiney you are not comparing like w like

albvivertine, Saturday, 25 February 2017 21:04 (yesterday) Permalink

What % of his songs is this album

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 25 February 2017 21:42 (yesterday) Permalink

No one piled on the bad writing btw it was in response to ppl calling it great writing

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 25 February 2017 21:47 (yesterday) Permalink

people just said they liked or appreciated the piece, they weren't nominating it for a pulitzer

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Saturday, 25 February 2017 21:52 (yesterday) Permalink

(I also think there is often an unspoken undercurrent of media politics behind a lot of what gets called good vs. bad writing, both in the personal and institutional senses, but that is an elephant that can just stay there in the room)

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Saturday, 25 February 2017 22:02 (yesterday) Permalink

I appreciated the piece as well, even though I thought it had a fundamental flaw. For me it showed how the album mostly works as a resonant piece about being a shithead during breakups. And I appreciate everything katherine has written as well, along with most of what fgti has. katherine's writing has really underscored how lucky I am that the resonance for me with this album mostly has to do with dark nights in my own head (and that's what the screwed voice in Keep Your Name sounds like for me, btw, like a voice inside his head) and one or two text messages I immediately regretted and had to apologize for, and not stuff done to me. + it made it really clear that that doesn't have to do with luck at all but privilege.

There was another great point in your singles jukebox writeup, katherine, which is that it's not just misogynistic and problematic, but also really fucking boring to hear him wallow in despair and self-pity and male agression. But that's also why I think it's wrong to claim Robin Thicke is the only comparison, or that he should learn something from Geordie Fruit. This shit is commonplace to all indie, and to hone in and pile up on Longstreth misses how much like fifty other acclaimed indie albums this thing is.

And that include earlier Dirty Projectors albums, btw. It was kinda always weird that their relationship was chronicled by Dave on their albums, and that she never got to speak on her own. The problem was there from Bitte Orca onward.

Frederik B, Saturday, 25 February 2017 22:19 (yesterday) Permalink


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