The Vagaries of Dating The Vagaries of Dating

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david. tell us if hoist's post helps?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 14 August 2003 09:57 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not asking for help. I'm just interested in what people think about this. (I guess all these interpersonal relationship threads are about me guaging my 'maturity', 'feelings', 'philosophy', 'whatever' against others'.)

But if I were asking for help, I'm sure this would not be helping.

David. (Cozen), Thursday, 14 August 2003 10:23 (twenty years ago) link

i'm fully in support of going up to talk to strangers, especially if you're thinking about asking them on a date. this could be because, out of all my friend girls, i'm the only one that consistenly doesn't get asked out. so i have to approach guys if i ever want to go on a date. which isn't terrible, but i'd like it if people talked to me a bit more...

however, it can be a bit creepy if people are too lecherous on the tube or bus. just smile at someone first, to see if they're even interested in making eye contact.

colette (a2lette), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:05 (twenty years ago) link

Have you considered dating vagrants?

If N. didn't consistently use this line, he would never date.

Larcole (Nicole), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:10 (twenty years ago) link

The street/bus whatever is mostly less likely to be populated w/leering drunks than a bar/party, too, right? That's kind of appealing

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:14 (twenty years ago) link

If N. didn't consistently use this line, he would never date.

Meaning he does date? But you've always insisted otherwise.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:36 (twenty years ago) link

don't ask a stranger out, give him/her yr number. then if he/she is down, he/she will call you. if not, whatever. i get nervous when i do this so i usually just kinda thrust my number at people and mumble and walk away. no, i'm hyperbolizing. i feel freaked, but i usually try to smile, which isn't hard considering the ridiculousness of the situation.
i am usually called, btw.

praying mantis (praying mantis), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:38 (twenty years ago) link

Do you eat them once you've mated? (As well as during, yes)

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:41 (twenty years ago) link

I was on the 38 bus two weeks ago in London and a girl opposite asked what I was reading (Colin Thurbron - In Siberia). We talked about the book a little. She started packing up as we approached Sadler's Wells and I plucked up the courage and said "do you know why the heart is printed between the 3 & the 8 on this bus?" She didn't and I told her why. She smiled and asked for my number. Anyway, to cut this short, we've seen each other twice since and I've had two of the greatest nights of my life.

Don (Mikey G), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:56 (twenty years ago) link

I heart that story. I want to know what the heart means too.

Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:05 (twenty years ago) link

ask her if you saw her at the empire. works every time.

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:09 (twenty years ago) link

Don't want to rain on your parade, Donald, but does she go by the name of Estelle? If so (and I hope I'm wrong), she's a final year student at St Martins and her project is to photograph everyone she sleeps with on the 38 and 55 bus routes.

Like I say, fingers burnt myself, hope it's someone else mate.

Dalston Boy (Mikey G), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:17 (twenty years ago) link

Log out you fule!

Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:22 (twenty years ago) link

haha, I hearted that twist for a moment.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:26 (twenty years ago) link

The heart is the shape of route. So bus dudes say.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:29 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, never mind G, good idea ;)

in what way is victoria to stokie a heart?

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:30 (twenty years ago) link

I don't know, ask someone with brains. I can't even write a fake story without chuffing it up.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:33 (twenty years ago) link

Someone has just told me that the right of the 3 and the left of the 8 made a heart shape, which LT decided to embellish with a proper heart there, as opposed a heart shaped space. I think Donald was already in there, as it wouldn't make me swoon I have to say. But friend tells me that a laydee on a bus asking a gent what book they are reading is already in lurve.

Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:36 (twenty years ago) link

I've been told by two seperate people that the route (as a whole, not one way) is a heart shape. Without tracing it on an A-Z, which I can't be bollocked to do, I don't know. It sounds improbable but the sun's out and David Connolly's a goal machine, so I'll believe it.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:41 (twenty years ago) link

there are five points where the 38 in one direction drives a slightly difft route to the 38 in the other direction

i. one-way system at victoria
ii. hyde park corner roundabout
iii. one-way system at piccadilly
iv. one-way system at hackney central
v. lea bridge roundabout

i, iii and iv are all heart-shaped, more or less (well less, really, but not as less as a roundabout is)

(also i + iii + iv = 8 which is the shape of two hearts forever intertwined)

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:47 (twenty years ago) link

''i'm fully in support of going up to talk to strangers, especially if you're thinking about asking them on a date. this could be because, out of all my friend girls, i'm the only one that consistenly doesn't get asked out. so i have to approach guys if i ever want to go on a date. which isn't terrible, but i'd like it if people talked to me a bit more...''

I can never quite think of what to say.

''however, it can be a bit creepy if people are too lecherous on the tube or bus. just smile at someone first, to see if they're even interested in making eye contact.''

I have never seen anyone ask or try to chat up someone on the tube or bus. has anyone?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:23 (twenty years ago) link

i had someone try to pick me up from a train stop once...there was this really cute guy on the metra train with an xrt shirt, back when they had the shirts that said "twist your knob" and the like. he had been staring at me the whole train ride and i figured he was staring at my friend. he got off at our stop and came up to me and asked me if he knew me from somewhere. i just said something stupid and had no idea what to do and really should have given him my phone number, where the fuck was my brain?

a friend of mine got picked up in a parking lot. it was her apartment parking lot, and the guy lived there too, and they ran into each other and made small talk a couple of times before he asked her out though. that sort of scenario could be creepy though, especially at night.

JuliaA (j_bdules), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:51 (twenty years ago) link

That was Ted Bundy's tactic too.

Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 14 August 2003 16:05 (twenty years ago) link

Last Monday night picked up a latina on the corner of 1st and Cumming in East LA. Some other memer might mentioned this few months ago, by from the description it doesn't matches the one I picked up. She was standing on the corner pretending to talk on the payphone, she is 20 yrs old about 5'4 not slim, but not fat, nice firm chest, and she had roled back reddish hair, face about a 6, goes by the name of Lupe'. Anyway she her talking on the phone, when I turn back she got into a cab, but got off, she I waited for her down the block. She jumped in and she she needed a ride and some money. I asked her how much she needed, she told me how much I got. Told her only have $12, which is the truth. Get this she was willing to go FS for $12, but we didn't have a rubber, told her jhow bout a bj, she said no! But she said she was willing to give me a hj and i can play about ewith her body, sounds good to me. Parked and went to business, all in all a pretty good deal for $12. Forgot to ask for the digit, sorry guys.

can can, Friday, 15 August 2003 11:59 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
OK, I did this then. Asked someone out cold. Just said 'excuse me, I know this is kinda weird seeing as I don't know you and you don't know me but... would you like to go for a drink sometime?' We went for a drink sometime. She was a really nice person but not 'right for me' I think. I did get a week's worth of sweet anticipation out of this though but it was very nerve-wracking and scary and I don't think I would recommend it to anyone. She said she 'respected' someone who could just ask like that sober, if someone had done it in a club she'd have told them to piss off. I think I'll probably do this again but be a bit more careful, a bit less hopeful.

Cozen (Cozen), Monday, 1 September 2003 10:16 (twenty years ago) link

What about girls who work in shops? A shop you frequent and often see her and she's served you. How d'you work that one?

Cozen (Cozen), Monday, 1 September 2003 10:17 (twenty years ago) link

cozen i'm so impressed with your anecdote there that i think you can achieve anything.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 1 September 2003 10:28 (twenty years ago) link

Wow Cozen, I am amzed it worked so well, it is unfortunate that it she wasn't right for you, but still, I think the episode can be viewed as a success! yay you!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 1 September 2003 10:41 (twenty years ago) link

HAHAHA I was right! I think! Yeah I checked, I was. I'm so impressed by yr nerve, Cozen. Shopgirl should be a doddle.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 1 September 2003 10:43 (twenty years ago) link

Is this the right thing to do though really? I was trying to dig up some quote from an article I read last year where it basically said that (if I remember correctly) we don't want to collapse the public into the private and that the distinctions are useful for determining how people interact with each other in certain spheres. She basically argued that the intimacy of the private doesn't transpose well out into the public, we shouldn't have to worry about advances and creeps and 'having to worry'. Was what I did a bit unfair? I'm not asking for some sort of absolution, I don't really care, I had a good time doing it and it was fun &c. I'm just wondering in general terms was it wrong?

Cozen (Cozen), Monday, 1 September 2003 10:50 (twenty years ago) link

You can prob judge private sphere transgressions by the private reactions of the persons involved, I suppose (as opposed to in a larger theoretical sense which seems trumped by what the actual "private" people feel), and she didn't mind, did she? In that case, no.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 1 September 2003 10:56 (twenty years ago) link

that was great cozen.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 1 September 2003 11:21 (twenty years ago) link

How long after one attraction's diminished can you set to thinking about another attraction? Is being so flippant and superficial in your desires silly and immature? If you see one girl you're really attracted she's unavailable can your gaze drift legitimately to another? Am I a rockist of the heart?

Cozen (Cozen), Monday, 1 September 2003 11:24 (twenty years ago) link

I need to get better at asking questions. I need to employ Gareth to tell me how to deflect questions I want to know answers to away from myself out into the general. I feel like it's me on trial here.

Cozen (Cozen), Monday, 1 September 2003 11:25 (twenty years ago) link

It's a tricky one (whether it's creepy or not.) Maybe the answer is in the approach, as to whether it's creepy or not. Some people will be creeped out, some will be flattered. there is no way of knowing which though, until you ask! It also depends on where you are when you ask someone out. I would suggest not when they were working in a shop, as she then cannot 'get away' if needs be. She might feel a bit threatened.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 1 September 2003 11:25 (twenty years ago) link

''Am I a rockist of the heart?''

500 posts by tomorrow morning on this plz.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 1 September 2003 11:27 (twenty years ago) link

yes!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 1 September 2003 11:37 (twenty years ago) link

there's nothing wrong with this particularly as you said "i know this may seem weird" as the start. saying that is a canny move in that it shows you are considering how they might feel but also implicitly says that you yourself are not particularly weird - whether this is actually true or not is another matter ;) - and closes down one reason for the woman in question not to say yes. if you do it in an unassuming, non-presumptuous, unthreatening and complimentary way then there's no reason you can't ask women out that you don't know. i've only ever done this twice though: one was a great success, the other told me to fuck off...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 1 September 2003 11:58 (twenty years ago) link

six years pass...

I need a specific form of words to convey 'Am I your girlfriend or not' but not those exact words. And I need them not to scare the person off. I'm not planning to use them yet but keep them in abeyance for the right moment.

ljubljana, Friday, 11 September 2009 10:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Why does it matter?

I'm not asking that facetiously, I'm wondering which part of girlfriendness you wish to ascertain your right to - and then ask that question instead.

Like, "Is this exclusive?" or "Is this short-term, or are you thinking longer?" or "Is this just sex, or is this emotional?"

OK, maybe those questions are even worse than "Am I yr girlfriend or not." But perhaps you could think which part of girlfriendness is important to you, and ask yourself if those needs are getting met or not.

Evren Kader (Masonic Boom), Friday, 11 September 2009 10:46 (fourteen years ago) link

take her to see '500 days of summer'. groan loudly when zooey is fending off this question.

history mayne, Friday, 11 September 2009 10:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Good question Kate. I know it's exclusive at the moment and believe I'd be told if there were any plans to change that/if it suddenly changed. I already know that due to complications (divorce, job problems, general hard time) he's not sure whether he wants an LTR right now or not. But he's also asking me whether I want children, how long I'll stay in the US, etc. - like a very upfront compatibility check.

I know really that the best thing to do if I really like him (which I do) is be patient and not ask anything, but that's hard especially as he's immersed in work and I can't see him till October (deadline). At the moment we're just doing email and occasional phone calls, which have got much shorter since the deadline thing kicked in.

xpost love this idea history mayne!

ljubljana, Friday, 11 September 2009 10:58 (fourteen years ago) link

1. Drop the phrase 'my boyfriend' or 'your girlfriend' offhand into the most casual of conversation with him.
2. Check reaction.
3. PROFIT???

Matt DC, Friday, 11 September 2009 11:00 (fourteen years ago) link

I think he would see straight through this.

ljubljana, Friday, 11 September 2009 11:05 (fourteen years ago) link

I mean, just casually refer to him as your boyfriend, not pretend there's another mysterious boyfriend lurking somewhere.

Matt DC, Friday, 11 September 2009 11:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Hrmmm. I know that I'm a cynical bitch and all, but I can't help thinking... does he really like you as much as you really like him? You can say this "ooh, issues due to divorce" and "job problems" and "general hard time" - but the thing is, there will *always* be job stress and hard times.

OK, people can go through bad periods in their life that clear up. But my suspicions are that if he's not OH YAY making time for you and being excited about the relationship when it's fresh and new, is this only going to get worse, rather than better? If you are really excited about a person, you make the time to meet them, even if it's nonstandard dating practices. If a person's priorities are not about having a relationships right now, then taht person won't make the time for that relationship.

But that goes back to the "are your needs getting met?" question to decide whether you're willing to take that chance or not.

Evren Kader (Masonic Boom), Friday, 11 September 2009 11:12 (fourteen years ago) link

"Do you want children" and "How long are you staying in the country" are just standard box-ticking exercises, not indicative of any specific interest in you. I've made that mistake before. It's like the relationship equivalent of asking what team you support or something. Doesn't mean anything more than that.

Evren Kader (Masonic Boom), Friday, 11 September 2009 11:14 (fourteen years ago) link

give him a note that says "do u want to be my boyfriend?" with YES and NO checkboxes.

call all destroyer, Friday, 11 September 2009 11:19 (fourteen years ago) link

MAYBE????

CEO OF MY LYFE (Upt0eleven), Friday, 11 September 2009 11:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Seriously, there are still people in this world so stunted as to be actively scared if the person they were seeing referred to them as their "boyfriend"?!

Jesusfuck.

CEO OF MY LYFE (Upt0eleven), Friday, 11 September 2009 11:25 (fourteen years ago) link

EDB is ed b. iirc?

kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Saturday, 16 June 2018 04:13 (five years ago) link

this sounds nice! ride the wave imo, wherever it leads seems like it'll be a good place

ime this is never the case but I earnestly appreciate the optimism!!

Simon H., Sunday, 17 June 2018 06:15 (five years ago) link

The ending of Let the Sunshine In should be a good lead in for drinks on a 3rd date.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 17 June 2018 09:49 (five years ago) link

Good luck Simon. sounds positive

My name is the Pope and in the 90s I smoked a lot of dope (dog latin), Sunday, 17 June 2018 10:40 (five years ago) link

you can do it simon.

homosexual II, Sunday, 17 June 2018 17:58 (five years ago) link

Go Simon!!!

I had a stellar day with a lady Friday and I look forward to the next time. I’m patient and not pushing things too hard but I take it as a good sign that she stayed up with me from early afternoon to midnight /)

sunburst N snowblind (Ross), Sunday, 17 June 2018 18:17 (five years ago) link

two months pass...

I am about to tell you an epic tale about subterfuge, dating in the 21st century and the fall of human civilization. This actually happened to me and it could happen to you too. Get some popcorn. *Thread*

— миша (@bvdhai) August 19, 2018

mookieproof, Monday, 20 August 2018 17:45 (five years ago) link

completely nuts

PS my thing went nowhere lol

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 20 August 2018 17:46 (five years ago) link

saw that earlier via max tundra retweeting an ilxor, which felt weird

imago, Monday, 20 August 2018 17:59 (five years ago) link

Max Tundra is extremely online

16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Monday, 20 August 2018 19:34 (five years ago) link

three years pass...

Emily Witt writes well on Feeld, online dating during and post- pandemic, with a couple of lines on Roe. All pretty well handled.

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/annals-of-inquiry/feeld-dating-app-sex

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 11 August 2022 13:32 (one year ago) link

Though it could've been better if someone from The Queer community wrote it but that's not The New Yorker.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 11 August 2022 13:49 (one year ago) link

eleven months pass...

Obviously it's all very middle-class. Partners can't get out of abusive relationships due to scarcity of a safe, affordable space. But you can see this stuff extending through society.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 22 July 2023 12:07 (nine months ago) link

this has been "a thing" in the SF Bay Area for quite a while. ... the article definitely has that middle class focus, (to the point where I lost patience with it) but the housing crisis/relationship "stuck-ness" is harder on poorer people.

sarahell, Saturday, 22 July 2023 15:38 (nine months ago) link

It's another category of gofundme campaign now ... along with "help pay medical bills" ... that is a clear example how broken "the system" is.

sarahell, Saturday, 22 July 2023 15:40 (nine months ago) link

Sarahell otm. Of course everything is harder on poorer people, and one still hears the standard advice "well, then don't be poor."

Some people call me Maurice Chevalier (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 22 July 2023 15:52 (nine months ago) link

Yeah I couldn't finish that piece either.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 22 July 2023 17:52 (nine months ago) link


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