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So I found this 2005 12-inch in a dollar bin a year and a half ago, and I bought it on the off chance it was the same Miguel. Turns out it was. The song is very much a product of its time.

Evan R, Monday, 5 March 2012 15:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

just went on Spotify to see if they had the new EP, they don't, but they do have a single he apparently released in 2011 called "Strawberry Amazing," which i had never heard anything about before, pretty good, very lo-fi Prince

something i noticed on the Art Dealer Chic liner notes -- Miguel self-produced the whole thing (except for one co-production from Fisticuffs, who did "Quickie" and "Girls Like You"). afaik Miguel didn't really do any of the production on the first album, so it looks like he's really stepping up and getting more involved in that side of things.

some dude, Monday, 5 March 2012 15:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Strawberry Amazing" was on his 2008's Mischief, too, and he co-produced that entire mixtape with Fisticuffs. That mixtape was super lo-fi; it sounds like he recorded it with a Casio and a boombox, but you can definitely hear a lot of echoes of the new EP in it.

Evan R, Monday, 5 March 2012 16:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

i don't really feel like the Jive album sanded off the edges of that aesthetic much at all, give or take a few of the more established producers' contributions

some dude, Monday, 5 March 2012 16:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I agree. When I first heard the Jive album, I was actually surprised by how low-budget it sounded at times, especially the Fisticuffs productions. Because it came out so quietly at the time (this was before "Sure Thing" had any legs) I was wondering if Jive had cut corners and were just trying to bury the album. It definitely took a few listens for some of the more muffled production to make sense.

Evan R, Monday, 5 March 2012 16:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

I kind of think of that hazy, reverbed vibe as the album's distinguishing characteristic. Gives it a very warm, intimate feel. Although a lot of that is down to Miguel himself, too.

marissa explains it all (The Reverend), Monday, 5 March 2012 17:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

like Strawberry Amazing but always hear a little Lenny Kravitz :/

bnw, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 04:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

i don't think anything on the EP touches "adorn" but that's the single of the year so far, so no biggie

― J0rdan S., Sunday, March 4, 2012 6:24 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

'adorn' is great but the single of the year so far is obv 'climax'

flagp∞st (dayo), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 14:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Climax" hasn't really hit me yet. I'm an "Adorn" partisan.

marissa explains it all (The Reverend), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 00:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

'adorn' is great but the single of the year so far is obv 'climax'

wanna say "dayo otm", but i guess i got something to listen to when i get home

meticulously showcased in a stunning fart presentation (contenderizer), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 00:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

My ex is friends w his little brother lol. Apparently he sings too tho not professionally afaik

I like miguel. Sure thing was never my thing but he has a great voice and feels like a genuine original

D-40, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 01:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think EZsnappin nailed it on tumblr where he said "Adorn" sounds like early-80s Marvin. The greater trick though, is that he achieves that vibe without any air of tribute or homage.

marissa explains it all (The Reverend), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 05:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

ban dayo

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 7 March 2012 05:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

"adorn" is so killing me atm

meticulously showcased in a stunning fart presentation (contenderizer), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 05:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

i agree with dayo that "climax" is better than "adorn"

lex pretend, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 10:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Adorn" makes me think of Prince fwiw

D-40, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 11:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

it makes me think of Prince less than 80% of his material but he definitely wrote it in part because he couldn't write another song called "Adore"

some dude, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 11:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

nbd, just a cross between marvin gaye & prince

john-claude van donne (schlump), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 12:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

vol 2, tomorrow

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 00:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

my neighbors always know when I come home because I bump adorn 4 times

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 00:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

^____^

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 00:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

haha i d/led it from miguel's site which requires you to fill out a non-optional "Hopes and Dreams" box to download lololol smh

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 02:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think I like "Arch n Point" even more than "Adorn"! This is sooooooooooo good... even on my shitty laptop speakers it just sounds fantastic

Evan R, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 03:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Broads" is a tad wacky

Number None, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 09:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah, it's just terrible. Like, delete-from-iTunes bad.

Evan R, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 14:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

god damn "arch n point"

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 28 March 2012 14:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah I'm unchecking 'broads'

dayo, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 14:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

I love how fucking LOUD "Arch n Point" is... that guitar!

Evan R, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 14:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

wow, "...all" might be better?

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 28 March 2012 15:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

"arch n point" could def be a trey songz album track, but like 10x better

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 28 March 2012 15:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

man, "...all" is almost threatening to be organ house

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 28 March 2012 15:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

this shit bangs

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 28 March 2012 15:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah, i think "...all" might be my favorite from this one

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 19:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

Didn't realize we had a Miguel thread! Although in retrospect, duh.

Vol. 2 > Vol. 1 I think, although Adorn >>>> all the other tracks from the project.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 19:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

naw, i think (although my opinion on this might change) "gravity" > any of the tracks on vol 2 also

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 19:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah listened to volume 2 today and nothing stuck with me at all really, kinda disappointed

but then went back and listened to vol 1, all i want is you, and mischief, so all is good. i seriously slept on all i want is you for so long

recent thug (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 19:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

i kinda wonder how many people on this thread are still sleeping on all i want is you

some dude, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 20:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

did you ever come around on the title track?

recent thug (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 20:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

I didn't know about Mischief, d/ling that now.

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 20:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah i came around on the title track, although the salaam remi stuff on the album is still generally my least favorite

some dude, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 20:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

mischeif is not mindblowing or anything, miguel's voice is obviosly the main draw but the production's not great and the songwriting isn't nearly as strong as his recent work

recent thug (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 20:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh word

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 20:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

There are small, scattered moments on Mischief where everything clicks and its like, "oh right, I love this guy." I've gotten a ton of writing done to that mixtape over the last couple of years; it's good background music that still kind of jams

Evan R, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 20:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

I just still can't believe that he did the hooks on that Blu & Exile album from back in 2007.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 20:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

saying "gravity" is the best thing off these tapes is clinically insane

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 28 March 2012 20:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

you are underrating "gravity", which is amazing, but i don't think anyone said that

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 22:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah i misread you

i'd still rate them as adorn > ...all > arch n point > gravity

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 28 March 2012 22:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

the thick bassline + the harmonies on the "shoo-di-doo da-di-da da-di-da-dah" chorus >>>>>>

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 23:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

'broads' is cute enough, what's the big problem

haven't heard his very earliest stuff but at least on all i want is you there was a clear pharrell/nerd vibe going and 'broads' is just some more of that writ a little too large. can't pretend it's not there though

i'd even argue you can make a case for still being able to hear trace elements of it in the new good widescreen stuff too really, but then i guess your imagination would need to stretch to what a decent latter-era nerd song would sound like

in any case it's true what rev says about miguel's elision of "any air of tribute or homage" whoever he may happen to sound like - a very nice trick to have

r|t|c, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 23:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

i found this really moving

Me too!

Ys Man a.k.a. Have One on G (geoffreyess), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 15:56 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

he was quite smothered by phones

Ys Man a.k.a. Have One on G (geoffreyess), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 15:56 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

a modern malaise if any

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 15:59 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

DEAL is such a jam

marcos, Thursday, 20 August 2015 14:40 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Although kinda subtle and not awfully dramatic, "what's normal anyway" has increasingly revealed itself to be the beating heart of this record. Sleeper deep cut. Is that manipulated vocal hook that occurs throughout sampling anything? Sounds awfully familiar...

vmajestic, Thursday, 20 August 2015 15:00 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I accept "What's Normal Anyway" as the heart of this record but I really don't fuck with it at all. I mean, I used to do the "I'm mixed, woe is me, nobody understands me" thing but then I recognized it for the internalized manifestation of white supremacy it is and can't stand when other people get in their #MixedFeelings. Like it's really fucking shitty to monoracial black people.

drown zoowap (The Reverend), Thursday, 20 August 2015 23:46 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

it's a very pretty song, it does so much with very little, but the lyrics are definitely the worst mutation of his individuality fixation

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 20 August 2015 23:55 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i respect those takes takes but the song doesn't feel self-pitying or yearning to fit in to me, just the phrase "what's normal anyway" seems to me like a poetically casual way to shrug it all off. race is obviously a big component of the song that i can speak to but i think it's also pretty broadly about a lot of 'caught between two different worlds' feelings that a lot of people have in different situations.

some dude, Friday, 21 August 2015 00:28 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i mean compared to the smug clumsy way a Kid Cudi or a Childish Gambino addresses that subject matter it's pretty deft imo.

some dude, Friday, 21 August 2015 00:30 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

The tossed-off way he sings the hook mitigates the self-pity imo. Brevity helps too.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 August 2015 00:32 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

if individuality fixation means pharrell influence, which i guess it does

r|t|c, Friday, 21 August 2015 00:33 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

hm true some dude, just sort of dislike the effect of ~i don't work in a binary~ *reinforces other binaries*

it's such a prettyyyy song though

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Friday, 21 August 2015 02:23 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

too crazy for boystown, too much of a boy for crazytown

Merdeyeux, Friday, 21 August 2015 02:27 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

lmao

some dude, Friday, 21 August 2015 02:33 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

In a crowd and I need a bone.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 August 2015 02:37 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I accept "What's Normal Anyway" as the heart of this record but I really don't fuck with it at all. I mean, I used to do the "I'm mixed, woe is me, nobody understands me" thing but then I recognized it for the internalized manifestation of white supremacy it is and can't stand when other people get in their #MixedFeelings. Like it's really fucking shitty to monoracial black people.

― drown zoowap (The Reverend), Thursday, August 20, 2015 11:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if mixed ppl don't talk about the specific issues of being mixed no one else will though. i've definitely seen some instances where the internalised white supremacy is obvious but i disagree that #mixedproblems are inherently shitty to black people.

"what's normal anyway" feels v borne of miguel's own life experiences

lex pretend, Friday, 21 August 2015 06:57 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

imo it is one of the weaker songs on here, i think it's a little corny and obvious tbh. i admire the spirit of the song. i'm hispanic/latino but grew up in a completely homogenous white suburb so have always felt like an outsider among both white and latino circles, it took a long time for me to be able to process the yes *intersectional* aspects of my identity, being a poc but also feeling more familiar (though not comfortable) with white middle class environments, tbh the 15-year-old me would have fucking loved the song to death but it's a little too much for me now? idk.

and tbf to miguel he's talking about being mixed mexican/black and that's a somewhat different dynamic than the #mixedfeelings rev is referencing?

that said i do think both lex & rev are otm here.

marcos, Friday, 21 August 2015 13:40 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

He talks a little about What's Normal Anyway specifcally here: http://www.portlandmercury.com/portland/whats-normal-anyway/Content?oid=16294961

Even after his quick rise and the success of Kaleidoscope Dream, Miguel says he still has "a bit of an underdog mentality" that he'll likely carry for the rest of his life. But he's carrying a lot less than he used to. He calls "What's Normal Anyway" an "emancipation" from the feelings it expresses; just by writing them and singing them out loud, he has not only offloaded their power over him, but has turned them into forces for good.

"Letting go of all of these parameters that I felt kept me from connecting, I've almost repurposed them and made them the reason why I do connect," Miguel says. "Because in that vulnerability, there's commonality, and people can relate with feeling out of place."

alpine static, Friday, 21 August 2015 14:24 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

parameters, repurposed, commonality

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 August 2015 14:26 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

he's got the jargon down

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 August 2015 14:26 (2 weeks ago) Permalink


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