I've only heard 'Hope', and yeah I love it. I don't really care whether it's dubstep or whatever. It does have a bit of an Underworld (not sure, someone like that?) vibe, but I don't see it as a bad thing.
I was actually popping my head in to say that Burial's 'Kindred' was quietly soundtracking my weekend and boy, I'm pretty sure it's the most affecting thing he's ever done.
― Alexandre Dumbass (dog latin), Monday, 5 March 2012 10:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
Scuba album is bad. Came at it overflowing with good faith but its done nothing for me. Prog breaks were manky in 2001, i dont want a rewind. Doesnt even have the production values that made some of it bearable.
― straightola, Monday, 5 March 2012 17:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
i've never been too crazy about scuba - that album cover screams disaster, though. cross-reference with:
― the late great, Monday, 5 March 2012 18:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
i don't even really like his mixes that much - the ostgut ton one is too subtle and grey, the dj kicks is somehow simultaneously hectic and bland, like "de9: closer to the edit" for the dubstep set
those first tracks, like "harpoon", were sort of brilliant in the pre-"midnight request line" era but since then it's been a whole lot of meh
― the late great, Monday, 5 March 2012 18:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
^^ this is what the new scuba sounds like to me
― the late great, Monday, 5 March 2012 18:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
^^ lol even better
i mean he's not quite there yet with the acoustic guitar and the vocalists but give him time
― the late great, Monday, 5 March 2012 18:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
ha. speaking of guitar, i'm glad to see some airhead stuff is getting released: http://www.randsrecords.com/airhead/wait-south-congress
although it's kind of weird/interesting that 'wait' is being presented as a regular track rather than a yeah yeah yeahs remix?
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 15:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
last year (or maybe even longer ago) i heard some new track that was based on uptempo live breaks and had this huge synth build, it sounded really fresh. i can remember what it sounds like but don't have the slightest clue who it was. almost want to say FaltyDL but i don't think that's right.
btw i think this might have been egyptrixx? still can't find the track though, so who knows.
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 17:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
Need some more big n bassy recommendations please. Basically the only music hitting the spot for me recently is stuff like Blawan, Kromestar, Burial, that Dub Phizix & Skeptical track I put up here earlier, Mala's recent one...
Would I liek the DVA album?
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
The DVA album suprised me, I wasn't expecting it to be as good as it is. Some killer stuff on there. There is a stream of it going around: http://www.xlr8r.com/news/2012/03/stream-dvas-forthcoming-album if you want a listen. Loads of nice vocal tracks.
I've been playing Brey a lot
If you want something on that Blawan tip go for the last 12" on Punch Drunk by Tessela: http://punchdrunkmusic.com/products-page/featured-products/tessela-d-jane-channel-punch-drunk-12-free-mp3/ kinda like where Blawan left off with Fram/Iddy. Man I really wanna hear more of that from Blawan.
How about some Akkord for that deep vibe: http://soundcloud.com/akkordmusik/akkord001
New LHF EP just dropped an its quality, hold tight for the album its fucking brilliant.
― jimitheexploder, Friday, 9 March 2012 09:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
I seem to be the only person on earth who likes that Photek album more than his jungle tracks.
Everybody knows that Scuba started out making breaks as Spectr right? It shouldn't come as a huge surprise that he's heading back that direction, his earliest mixes were all breaks mixed with dubstep back when Distance was writing his best stuff. I don't know, I like some of the Bristol breaks crew like 30hz and Baobinga. And I miss Toastyboy. Ils had his moments too.
Wish he'd try for something like those guys if he's going to head back into big room territory.
― pattern loader, Friday, 9 March 2012 10:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
Specifically he should be trying to sound like this.
― pattern loader, Friday, 9 March 2012 10:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
Actually the Scuba album mostly just sounds like the Chemical Brothers. Or more to the point it sounds like the not-very-sure-footed albums that people like Paul Woolford would make in the mid-00s that ended up sounding like the Chemical Brothers. The Scuba record is better than that though, with the exception of the dnb track.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Friday, 9 March 2012 10:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
xxpost wait does that mean he's responsible for Spectr's "Dance 4 Me"? Because that's one of my absolute favourite tunes of the year...
― Tim F, Friday, 9 March 2012 10:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
He should make an entire album of stuff like that.
Yeah he did that one. Shame he doesn't go in that direction more often really.
Can't get into the new album at all it just gives me bad flashbacks to progy/electro/nu-skool breakz from my youth.
On another note...
Presk has been killing it of late, looking forward to this: http://soundcloud.com/presk/4th005-a-hesitate / http://soundcloud.com/presk/4th005-b-kook
― jimitheexploder, Friday, 9 March 2012 11:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
i really like the single ("eye know") off the DVA record, is it all that r&b-ish?
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Friday, 9 March 2012 18:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
(can't listen to the stream at work)
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Friday, 9 March 2012 18:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
moratorium on tweaked vocal samples please
― the late great, Friday, 9 March 2012 18:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
that was re: "dance 4 me"
i always wondered what shed was on about when he publicly dissed scuba on LWE but now i think i know what he was getting at
― the late great, Friday, 9 March 2012 18:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
Have you ever played at Sub:stance?No!You think that wouldn’t work either?Scuba is not… I’m waiting for a offer! He’s not asking me [all laugh]. I have to talk to him. I would love to play there.Well he recently played as SCB at Panorama Bar, and based on the recording I imagine it’s what you might sound like DJing.I don’t like it at all. This SCB. Some dubstep guys can’t make techno music. It’s impossible. And here’s an example. It’s not very good. The same way when house producers want to make dubstep, it’s impossible.
You think that wouldn’t work either?
Scuba is not… I’m waiting for a offer! He’s not asking me [all laugh]. I have to talk to him. I would love to play there.
Well he recently played as SCB at Panorama Bar, and based on the recording I imagine it’s what you might sound like DJing.
I don’t like it at all. This SCB. Some dubstep guys can’t make techno music. It’s impossible. And here’s an example. It’s not very good. The same way when house producers want to make dubstep, it’s impossible.
Guess he's still waiting for that offer
― Number None, Friday, 9 March 2012 18:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
listening to DVA clips, forgot i already heard and like 'madness' and 'where i belong'. digging all the triplet feels. points off for calling your 5/4 for song "the big five" though.
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Friday, 9 March 2012 18:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
Scuba is not… I’m waiting for a offer! He’s not asking me [all laugh]. I have to talk to him.
i inferred from this sentence that the antipathy predated the interview, which is why everyone laughed
― the late great, Friday, 9 March 2012 18:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
― the late great, Friday, March 9, 2012 6:13 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I agree with this general principle but (a) I think the track is about 2 years old actually (lol uk funky rips being even more of an outdated move for post-dubstep types than R&B cut-ups); and (b) what it does with the vocal really reflects that, it's coming from (aping?) a slightly different tradition.
― Tim F, Friday, 9 March 2012 21:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
i was really disappointed with the DVA album, had always been a big fan of his stuff (and his general aesthetic) but the album didn't seem to reflect it in any compelling way. i suspect people who care about complex rhythms might like it but i got bored. if you're gonna get vocalists that's a good move but maybe think of some hooks for them to sing.
― lex pretend, Saturday, 10 March 2012 09:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
It's never just about "complex rhythms" though. The problem with the DVA album is he misunderstands this, thinks making things as contorted as possible (less rhythmically than melodically, actually) is a noble end in itself. As a result there is no real tension to the grooves.
― Tim F, Saturday, 10 March 2012 10:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
What are you both talking about? If you actually think its particularly rhythmically or melodically complex in a detracting way, then you are listening to another record. What is great about this record is the fact that the dissonance or diff time signatures never interfere with the functionality of the tracks at all.
And Lex, there are loads of hooks in the vocals. Perhaps not the pop ones you might like, but its clearly not aiming at that, is it?
― Josephine, Saturday, 10 March 2012 12:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
It doesn't get much vocal hookier than 'What You Do' if that's what you're after. The rest don't rely purely on a repeated chorus to be hooky. I find myself singing along to the verses of Eye Know and the Zaki track as much as the chorus. I assume that is not a crime? Of the dancefloor tracks, there is none where it's rhythmically awkward, unless you are a rusty robot, or like metronomes. I think all the vocal tracks with the dissonant synths actually work really well. Its a really poised bitter/sweet balance. But if this is your idea of 'making things as contorted as possible' then there is probably no point discussing this any further, as we are on different aesthetic planets. Half of the DVA album probably belongs in that psych r&b thread.
― Josephine, Saturday, 10 March 2012 15:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
The Zaki track is possibly my favourite. I actually quite like several of the tracks but as an album it seems like DVA has taken his starting polemic ("pretty ugly") and become so wrapped up in it that he loses sight of how and why complexity / dissonance etc. can work - which is that they imply the sense of order and functionalism that they don't exhibit openly. The problem is not that the rhythms / melodies / etc are "too difficult", it's that they're so impressed with their deviation from the norm that they only-occasionally invest any energy in thinking about how those deviations nonetheless can hit targets (i.e. actually grooving, for one). In fact the actual uk funky rhythms on the album aren't terribly complex (though I'm not saying they're too simple - they just don't feel like the focus). The exception that proves the rule is the excellent beat on "33rd Degree".
The fact that the album sounds so much like a broken beat album (DKD being closest I think) updated with Dilla/Flying Louts/Floating Point synths just underscores this, I think; my above argument is, if anything, even more true (or more obviously so) for broken beat than for funky. I'd love if the album had a more energetic tune that was as charming as "Future Rage".
"Why You Do" may have hooks but it's incredibly slight (deliberately so, I suspect). Though its lyrics are kind of lol in the way they literalise the album's sonic and thematic concerns.
― Tim F, Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
I agree that the record owes more to broken beat side of uk funky than anything else, although I do think the idea that some of the tracks "are so impressed with their deviation" is a projection on your part that I don't hear in the music at all. Its strength it seems to me is that it exactly doesn't share that "impressed with itself"-ness of broken beat. I think he hits a great balance on the songs of teasing the vocals with the synths while not detracting from them. I agree 'Why You Do' is lol, but the chorus is totally infectious, even if the music itself isn't. My least favourite tracks are the more upbeat ones that don't hit as hard as some of his singles.
― Josephine, Saturday, 10 March 2012 23:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
hahah well of course these are "projections" on my part, it's my interpretation of the music.
I'm not pretending i've got stone tablets from mount sinai with all this written on them.
― Tim F, Saturday, 10 March 2012 23:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
Teeth - Vibrate
Is coming out: http://www.sonicrouter.com/2012/03/signal-life-on-the-lookout-for-some-unorthodox-shit/
Been waiting a while for that one.
― jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 11:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
^ I like that a lot
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 11:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 17:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
i like the kick/snare conversation on those signal life tracks, but the way the vocal samples are deployed seems kinda corny? it gives me an '80s electro vibe, maybe they're going for that.
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 17:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
---------hahah well of course these are "projections" on my part, it's my interpretation of the music.
― Tim F, Saturday, March 10, 2012 11:11 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink----------
I know, what I meant was that you were projecting your own self-impressedness with your own interpretation onto to his music.
― Josephine, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 20:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
That allegation makes sense if you're saying I'm a habitually self-impressed person who assumes everyone else is like me. Is that what you're saying?
― Tim F, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 21:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
That allegation makes sense if you're saying I'm a habitually self-impressed person who assumes everyone else is like me
well, you do write music reviews and post to ILM
― the late great, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 21:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
― the late great, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 21:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
― the late great, Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:18 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It wasn't an allegation Tim. We're not in court. Just thought you were wrong, and over-injecting your own baggage.
― Josephine, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 21:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
xpost no quite seriously it's both the most logical and potentially-correct spin I can put on it.
OTOH I'm not sure how it accounts for all the times I've been quite self-impressed with my take on something and not projected it onto the music at hand.
At any rate my use of the word "impressed" was maybe misleading anyway. It's not so much that the DVA album sounds smug or self-satisfied to me (if anything, DVA as an artist strikes me as restless, impatient, quick to grow bored with his past ideas - perhaps too much so, even); more that several of its "targets" are targets which I think have been improperly framed - as if these songs are the correct answers to the wrong questions.
Josephine said upthread that "Half of the DVA album probably belongs in that psych r&b thread." I agree with this obv and I wonder if people's reactions to the stuff on that thread provide a good guide to their likely reactions to this album and vice versa; when I think of the avant-R&B stuff that I like most (Kings, Me'Shell, Quadron, etc.) it's stuff that doesn't really go to great lengths to emphasise its unusualness or "avant"-ness or etc but instead uses its disparate sonic influences and ideas as yet another means of expressing more typical notions of beauty, groove, lushness etc. etc. - similar to how, say, Timbaland's classic work may have been startling and engrossing but rarely difficult-to-love. I guess I like stuff to sound a little bit effortless, even if it's clear that a lot of skill and accomplishment has gone into it. Whereas the DVA album sounds to me like it's tense-with-effort.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 22:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
And (sigh) as usual my curiosity re what someone is trying to say is portrayed as hyper-defensive, hyper-pendantic, hyper-legalistic... This grates a bit, because I think I tend to react to personal jabs quite reasonably. But whatever.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 22:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
i don't really understand the difference between a pop hook and a non-pop hook.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 23:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
Phrased as an "either/or", I'd agree.
However, I think it's not too controversial to say that different things register as "hooks" in different contexts - like, to use an extreme example, a hook in a gabba track might be the kind of thing you'd never deploy in a pop song (though in a post-Guetta world even that may no longer be true).
More subtly, e.g, certain tricks in an R&B tune "work" better if you approach with an R&B frame of reference rather than a pop one. But it's not like as listeners we really consciously change hats in this fashion very often. It's more easily discerned in e.g. how many popjustice types consistently fail to get certain R&B. Their problem, obv.
In the case of DVA, I personally don't think saying the hooks are non-pop really explains away their lack of purchase - the Vikter Duplaix track, for example, works like a Vikter Duplaix track, but doesn't hit me nearly so hard as "Manhood" or "Messages" or "Looking For Love". It's not really the case that those tunes have "pop" hooks whereas "Madness" has another kind of hook; they're just better songs, is all.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 23:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
a hook is a hook
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 15 March 2012 14:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
in lots of pop songs the real hook is an instrumental thing or a sound
this thread is getting about as dry as a hessle comp.
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 15 March 2012 15:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
Sounding a little exasperated, DVA continues: "I just needed a change, bruv – I mean, six years of something is long. Imagine you’re with a girl for six years. You know what I mean? You’d probably split up! It just gets boring. Not that the show got boring, but six years of anything is long, so you’ve got to change up your life".
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 15 March 2012 18:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
― jimitheexploder, Sunday, 18 March 2012 18:03 (3 years ago) Permalink