Worst ongoing plotline in the second season of Twin Peaks (SPOILERS)

BTW I wonder how much of the incest/abuse theme Lynch had in mind from the beginning and how much was imagined for TP:FWWM.

In other words, was he forced to submerge that theme heavily in the series and then gave it full play for the (very R-rated) movie? Or did he not really settle on it until the series was over or nearly over?

Obviously in retrospect this theme helps to bind together much of the show, but it also renders parts of the show somewhat thematically incoherent IIRC.

I mean obviously he wasn't selling the show to networks as "This show about incest and parental abuse as the root of all sadness and evil"! But did he plan on this and just keep his cards close to the vest -- or did he only realize this as a central theme gradually?

Anyway.

Which of the season 2 plotlines gets the abandon/retcon treatment, in your eyes? Not disputing it at all - just haven't watched this in a while and was kind of not paying attention to when one episode ended and the next began.

James Hurley by a mile. Some of the others were v stupid but at least fun. Nothing involving Gordon Cole should even be on this list. He is going to write an EPIC POEM about this pie!

Given that Twin Peaks was meant to be as much a pisstake of yr average 80s soap opera as it was a murder mystery or anything else, a lot of these still make sense within the context of the show. That says, the James storyline still blows.

The Andy/Dick/Lucy plotline is quite sweet really.

I don't everything David Lynch touches turns to gold or anything, but 75% of what went wrong with this series can be traced to Lynch's lack of involvement. Nearly every episode he directed is a noticeable jump in quality, and even the non-Lynch episodes in season 1 (when at least he was involved in laying out the overall plotlines) are superior to most of season 2. As soon as Lynch jumps back in for the final episode, the series gets a crazy jolt as if the last few--dire--episodes didn't even happen (literally in some cases: Lynch abandons or ret-cons several of the season 2 plotlines in 45 minutes)

I think people tend to reach a bit with stuff like this. If Lynch was really that anti- a lot of what had been happening over those episodes, would he have turned up playing a recurring FBI agent in a plotline that doesn't really go anywhere?

i don't think he was anti- anything. i just think his level of involvement in terms of planning out plotlines and so on was pretty damn low.

So, last night some friends and I were talking about Twin Peaks and I posed the thread question; when the Billy Zane plot came up, one of them told me that they'd heard that this began because Kyle MacLachlan and Lara Flynn Boyle were dating (?! did not know this!) and she objected to the chemistry between Cooper and Audrey. If true, this also leads me to wonder whether the Annie story was also ginned up for this reason: give Cooper the least sexually charged relationship of possibly any couple on the show.

love this thread. i'm more forgiving of S2 than most people i know), but even i can't deal with jaaaaaames.

another poll I have no time for bcz RESCREENING is impossible for now. I remember basically none of this after 20 years.

have some of you watched the whole series 4x or something?

2x (once on VHS, once on dvd)

Pretty sure this last one was the 3rd time for me.

someone mentioned 'Josie Packard' to me recently and I couldn't even guess who she was

have some of you watched the whole series 4x or something?

1st viewing = initial TV run
VHS viewings = had dubbed copies of the whole series, showed them to my then-g/f (now wife).
DVD viewings = got the Gold Box when it came out, have watched that in it's entirety at least twice, and a few episodes (pilot, last ep, etc) more than that

Used to have them from when I taped all the episodes off the telly, but no longer have a VCR. So maybe x4 times but not for years and years. I do occasionally watch the "..and it was on that vacation that I shot out Nadine's eye" just for Albert's reaction shot. Oh and "dolts, dunces, dullards and dumbbells .."

Albert is so great.

I love you Sheriff Truman

i watched the same worn-out VHS copies that everyone in this college town had been checking out for a decade, it was almost impossible to see what was going on in some of the season 2 ones.

(chillwave twin peaks)

k some of you should at least check out Peyton Place then

lol

I haven't, but then I think watching TP that much is borderline insane

Thanks for your contribution!

way to compare a soap opera you can't remember to the oldest American soap opera

posts very much in character etc

xp

I love you Shakey Mo

are you repeating a joke you didn't get in the first place

I remember the Albert Rosenfeld scene, smartass, as he's one of the only characters who isn't a 2-dimensional archetype.

what's it like to be able to hate things you can't remember

it's like being an asshole, just for yr reference

"2-dimensional archetypes" was not meant as a dis, btw. They can be usefully employed in the proper environment. As they are here, bcz that aspect of TP is part parody.

when ppl talk about such characters like they were created by Dostoevsky, it's tiresome tho.

Oh god the Josie Packard subplot was horrendously awful. I had forgotten it. Almost deserves to win just because it was so incomprehensible and overwritten and drawn out over so many episodes.

Josie in a doorknob, incomprehensible?

yeah Josie subplot def a low point of the show, altho anytime it involved Piper Laurie and Ben Horn was lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVF0Mq4LJLM&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLD0DF7A893A958022

^^^ David Lynch directed a series of commercials for Japanese canned-coffee brand "Georgia." Perhaps a hint as to how Twin Peaks would have turned out if he'd stayed on the ball!

Miguel Ferrer AKA Albert, through learning bits about his career over the years, is one of the coolest mofos of all time. This year I found out he plays drums on Keith Moon's solo album, plus this little tidbit:

Another parallel with the life of Marilyn Monroe, though probably unintentional. Monroe was a friend of Rosemary Clooney, and was invited to her house for a party in 1955. Clooney had recently had a baby, and took Monroe upstairs to see him. He burst into tears when Monroe first cradled him, until he opened his eyes and saw Monroe, and simply stared back at here, wide-eyed. Monroe ended up spending the entire party upstairs with the baby. That newborn was none other than cast member Miguel Ferrer.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098936/trivia

wait does that mean George Clooney and Miguel Ferrer are brothers

the resemblance is uncanny

wait does that mean George Clooney and Miguel Ferrer are brothers

― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, March 16, 2012 3:50 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Cousins, apparently

hence the different surnames

brothers can have different surnames

yeah, thought everyone knew Rosemary was George's aunt though

there is a story that Rosemary hired starving-actor nephew George to be her lawn/shrubbery guy one summer, and he only cut the parts she could see from her window.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vXHjGecJ9Nk/Tza-SimS1_I/AAAAAAAAAtU/mjlZZiXYFiY/s1600/TheMoreYouKnow.jpg

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Oh yeah! IIRC i based the close of this poll on the date Cooper emerges from the Black Lodge, acccording to some fan timeline dealie.

It is happening again.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

wait you forgot the "norma's mother is secretly a restaurant critic" subplot! do overs.