rolling punk/non-indie underground 2012

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I love Stillsuit! Their tape is so fucking rad! I caught em in Socal with Rind. Got some gnarly photos of them, too. I actually have a lot of underground noise/punk photos on my artist page, if you guys wanna check em out! http://www.facebook.com/pages/Graphic-Garrett/302014879820158

― Izzy Pod, Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:10 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

these are incredible!

flopson, Sunday, 4 March 2012 21:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

best new (relatively) hardcore I've heard in a minute - LONG PIGS from Brooklyn who are just complete OTT chaos on their 7" - there is a lot of that kind of thing right now I suppose but they do it really powerfully

― Touched By Angel Rangel (DJ Mencap), Monday, January 23, 2012 3:18 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is such a good record

flopson, Sunday, 4 March 2012 22:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

Thanks, Flopson! By the way, Nu Sensae as a 3 piece: FUUUUUUUCK YES!!!!

Izzy Pod, Monday, 5 March 2012 10:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was kinda eh on them becoming a 3 piece but then I heard it was dude from mutators so

I GUESS THAT CINNABON GETTIN EATEN (Edward III), Monday, 5 March 2012 15:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

<3 mutators

I GUESS THAT CINNABON GETTIN EATEN (Edward III), Monday, 5 March 2012 15:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh look 3 piece nu sensae dinner

I GUESS THAT CINNABON GETTIN EATEN (Edward III), Monday, 5 March 2012 15:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

mutators!!!

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 03:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

I saw them the other night with Surgeons, Nasa Space Universe, Crazy Band, Forever Baby, BRANES, The Garden, The Coltranes, and Meow Twins. Everyone but Crazy Band and Meow Twins fucking ANNIHILATED the evening. Meow Twins were good, but not as apeshit crazy as everyone else. Man, that show was a test of endurance.

Izzy Pod, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 07:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

Such a great set.

I'm the one wearing the tin foil balaclava. Everyone was instructed to wear their foil

Izzy Pod, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 02:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Looking forward to the new Steve Albini recorded Screaming Females:

o. nate, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 03:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

CONGORATS are pretty kool tribal skronk from mpls, download new album Gay Patriot for free here

http://congorats.bandcamp.com/track/gay-patriot

the wild eyed boy from soundcloud (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 23:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

btw has anyone seen Ed Schrader's Music Beat (dan deacon affiliate dude noisy 2 man thing?)...worth going out to see 2nite?

the wild eyed boy from soundcloud (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 23:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

YES absolutely

I GUESS THAT CINNABON GETTIN EATEN (Edward III), Thursday, 8 March 2012 01:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

omg albini recorded screaming females??

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 8 March 2012 09:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

pretty excited to see booze riot & coke bust this weekend

http://boozeriot.bandcamp.com/

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 8 March 2012 09:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

<3 ed schrader's music beat

did you go matt?

I GUESS THAT CINNABON GETTIN EATEN (Edward III), Thursday, 8 March 2012 15:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

has anyone heard the new fnu ronnies lp yet?

flopson, Saturday, 10 March 2012 20:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

only heard the one track

http://soundcloud.com/load-records/fnu-ronnies-saddle-up

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Monday, 12 March 2012 20:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

omg albini recorded screaming females??

Yep, "Ugly" out April 3.

o. nate, Monday, 12 March 2012 20:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

i did got to ed schader's music beat they were pretty pummeling! (but kinda poppy at the same time!)

a little tiny crunk person (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 12 March 2012 20:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah they are weirdly equal parts noize abrasion and hummable accessibility, almost like some 80s LA new wave theater type band with the theatrical starkness and artpop

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 16:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

yow, psyched for new FNU ronnies & screaming females. can't watch the ESMB clip here, but will check it out when i get home. feeling super out of the new music loop here in tacoma. boo.

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 22:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Anyone in the Bay Area should check out this new noise fest that's coming up called The Dissonance Party. The lineup is rad so far. Should be a great time!

confirmed acts so far:

Riververb (San Diego)
Pulsating Cyst (LA)
Kawaiietly Please (Santa Cruz)
Shortwave Surfers (Oak)
Darph/nadeR (Santa Rosa)
Das Blut (SF)
Nuclear Death Wish (Oak)
Xome (Sac)
Medicine Cabinet (Tracy)
Toe Ring (ex members of Chrome Genie) (New York)
Moe Staiano (Oak)
Lektricman (Oak)
Rubber Cement (SF)
Torn By Teeth (Inland Empire)
Liver Cancer (Sac)

Izzy Pod, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 00:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

this thread is funny because the tectonic plates of indie are shifting is this shit is becoming one of the major landmasses of indie

caulk the wagon and float it, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 01:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

i dont think that's anymore true now than in like, 2007 or 2008

flopson, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 04:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol @ ex members of Chrome Genie -- that's like one guy

sarahell, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 07:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

game changer

http://soundcloud.com/pj-crittenden/fast-songs-by-ryan-from

Jamie_ATP, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 11:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Puerto Rico Flowers is breaking up:

Puerto Rico Flowers are playing their FINAL show April 20th @ The Archeron in Brooklyn New York w/ Rosenkopt & York Factory Complaint.

Walter Galt, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 13:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

this thread is funny because the tectonic plates of indie are shifting is this shit is becoming one of the major landmasses of indie

― caulk the wagon and float it, Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:35 PM (Yesterday)

yeah when I see child abuse or nu sensae or tinsel teeth on the front page of pitchfork I'll start to believe this

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 15:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

if you'd actually deny good, hardworkings bands the chance to reach bigger audiences, sell more tickets & albums just because yr like "ooh indie rock has cooties" that's profoundly stupid.

but i guess i dunno i'm from the 90s when bands like Cows or Jesus Lizard could sell out big clubs and shit so

a little tiny crunk person (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 15:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

it would be awesome if those bands got more attention! I'm saying it's not likely to happen.

but I guess I dunno I'm from the 80s when you couldn't say the words "butthole surfers" on mtv

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 16:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

not from the 2010s, when you can't print "pissed jeans" in the new york times

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 16:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

I mean, I know of a prominent noise rock label that was told last year they couldn't do a SXSW showcase because that type of music "didn't have a place here", and this was after years and years of hosting successful showcases

so it's not just some too cool for school fuck indie attitude on my part, from what I can see the engines that drive the indie media machine are just not that into pushing these types of bands

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 16:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok i agree w/that, ultimately i just don't think this type of stuff appeals to the hongro in ppl

konybrony (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 16:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

Man, that's strange. They let small-stakes dudes from my town set up showcases, seemed like they let anyone who wanted to do it (and could find a venue) set up a showcase.

grandavis, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 16:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think caulk meant like iceage, the men, total control, cloud nothings, and not the kind of bands you mentioned edward

flopson, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 20:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

i really want to like the Men more than i do, same w/cloud nothings

konybrony (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 20:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

I still wouldn't call iceage, the men et al "major landmasses of indie"

boots on the ground perspective: 3 of the 4 bands you mentioned played PVD in the past 6 months and those shows weren't even in legit spots, while major indie acts are booking at the 1000 capacity clubs

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 20:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

this thread is funny because the tectonic plates of indie are shifting is this shit is becoming one of the major landmasses of indie

― caulk the wagon and float it, Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:35 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i dont think that's anymore true now than in like, 2007 or 2008

― flopson, Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:18 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, assume caulk is/was referring not to the tiny little noise bands izzy mentioned, but to the kind of stuff generally discussed in this thread (pissed jeans, for instance). and i agree that it's one of the major landmasses in indie. but i disagree that this is the result of any recent "becoming". indie rock and noisy punk shit have been closely related since the 80s, since indie came into being. that relationship waxes and wanes, comes in and out of focus, but it's never ceased to exist.

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 21:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah - like wasn't Jesus Lizard and that Albini stuff a major part of what constituted indie when that term first started being used?

sarahell, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 23:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

british ppl have established that indie rock started with the release of oasis's "definitely maybe" iirc

konybrony (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 23:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

i also disagree that it is a major indie landfill or that it's only now becoming so. like to me this thread isn't about a certain aesthetic that is or isn't absorbed by indie but the shitty bands i like that probably won't ever be

flopson, Thursday, 15 March 2012 02:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, but you like iceage, the men, ty segall, circle pit, sic alps, labels like ss, etc. lot of that stuff exists at the intersection of punk & indie (in my mind, anyway), which makes the thread title kind of funny.

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 March 2012 02:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i definitely like all that shit, just that's what the "non-indie underground" means to me

flopson, Thursday, 15 March 2012 04:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

embrace the indie

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 March 2012 04:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 March 2012 04:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha i totally embrace the indie, dude. i mean, part of the reason i didn't keep "pitchfork GTFO" from last years' title is because i don't share that attitude. i was just saying that i feel like there will always be wonderful punk bands who are shitty enough that no one will care about them & so no matter how much of it is absorbed by indie media there will always be something to keep this thread going

flopson, Thursday, 15 March 2012 04:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh yeah, troo

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 March 2012 04:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

I always assumed "P4K gtfo" or whatever was more or less a joke anyway, if ppl are that scared of their cooties then they probably shouldn't post on a board with like half its writers

anyway talking of indie media this is my reviews column for The Quietus which went up yesterday, which I'm mainly linking to cos it has reviews of good shit that I didn't get round to yakking about itt http://thequietus.com/articles/08258-noel-gardner-straight-hedge-punk-hardcore

Sylv_ebanks (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 15 March 2012 10:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah pitchfork gtfo was a joek bros, you indie types are so earnest

being as old as mr contenderizer I agree w/ his take on indie starting out as a broad umbrella term. in the 80s it just meant bands on independent labels getting college radio airplay, which could be anything from black flag to yo la tengo. the distinction was mainly economic/distribution related, similar to the way any weird bands used to get thrown in a bin called "imports" at the record store no matter where they were from.

if I think about the evolution of the term, the roots go back to late 70s punk bands flirting with major labels - after the labels figured out they didn't know how to sell it and the punk scene discovered it could thrive without big capital requirements, they moved down separate paths. punk got extreme and unmarketable as hardcore emerged. then hardcore bands discovered pot and started getting weird (black flag, dinosaur, husker du, butthole surfers). what I dismissively called "jangle rock" was getting big as well (REM and their progeny - tho in truth I do like a lot of that stuff), a wing of the underground more influenced by the velvets 3rd album and 60s folk rock than the stooges and no wave.

by the mid 80s major labels started coopting the scene. I know that's a loaded term but eh, sympathies are sympathies. husker du signing to warners in 85 was the big turning point, once they went over the wall many followed. this excerpt from wikipedia sums up the cycle for the next 25+ years:

Flip Your Wig became the first album released on an independent record label to top the CMJ album chart, and at year's end, both New Day Rising and Flip Your Wig ranked in the top ten of the Village Voice annual Pazz & Jop critics' poll.

During the recordings sessions for Flip Your Wig major label Warner Bros. Records approached Hüsker Dü and offered the group a recording contract. The band felt it had hit a sales ceiling that it could break through only with the help of a major label. The promise of retaining complete creative control over its music convinced the band to sign with the label.[13] Mould also cites the distribution problems with SST as a reason for the move, mentioning that there would sometimes be no records to sign when the band would show up for promotional events.[14] Hüsker Dü was not expected to sell a large amount of records. Rather, Warner Bros. valued the group for its grassroots fanbase and its "hip" status, and by keeping the overhead low the label anticipated the band would turn a profit.

things got strange in the post-nirvana 90s as major labels snapped up anybody with indie cred, and this was when indie became a code word in certain circles for "biding your time until a major signs you". bands with no hopes of getting signed in the 80s (the wall keeping the rabble out was huge + insurmountable) were suddenly commercially viable. a lot of indie labels were now major label fronts, the same way huge beer companies started putting out pseudomicrobrews. I guess I could've saved a lot of typing and just posted this

then the alternative/grunge wave crashed and the scene limped back to its basements and warehouses, and that's when things started getting interesting again to me. indie nowadays is a loaded term with a patina of aspirational baggage. from an 80s perspective pissed jeans and bon iver and sic alps are all indie bands. but if I was headed out to a pissed jeans show and a casual music fan asked me where I was going, I'd be doing a disservice by replying "going to see some indie band". cause they'd probably expect deer tick or arcade fire. you know, that jangle rock stuff. now beat it kid, grandpa's leg is asleep.

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Thursday, 15 March 2012 17:21 (2 years ago) Permalink


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