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how big is this dude now I have no sense of scale for pop music anymore

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, March 4, 2012 12:46 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark

"sure thing" was the #1 song on u.s. urban radio last year and his song w/ wale brings his total of big r&b hits to 4, but he hasn't crossed over to pop audiences at all, even to the moderate extent of trey songz or whoever

some dude, Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

so sad that adorn is only 2:19 long

flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

i guess he's in that weird robin thicke zone of 'non-black r&b singer whose fanbase is predominantly black'

some dude, Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

Miguel Jontel Pimentel was born in Los Angeles.[1][2] He is one of two sons born to a Mexican father and an African American mother.[2]

flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh word, i thought he was just full on hoos is mexican

some dude, Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

so sad that adorn is only 2:19 long

― flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, March 4, 2012 10:21 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is prob the best part about it!

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

like it ends and I'm all "what a good song that was"

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

what a good post that was

flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

I grew up w/ indian parents who only listened to indian music but since I grew up in new orleans they also listened to a lot of aaron neville and only nevilee (????) and I think there is something nevilleish abt this that I really appreciate

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

didn't mean to spell him wrong the second time

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

"that i do" is incredible

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Sunday, 4 March 2012 21:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

"gravity" is my favourite on the EP i think

"adorn" hasn't clicked with me yet, i think with these reedy-voiced guys like miguel and jeremih, i find myself either falling head over heels with songs where some alchemy makes them sound perfect ("sure thing", "birthday sex", "imma star") or i'm left a bit cold.

lex pretend, Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

the production doesn't grab you?

flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

i don't think anything on the EP touches "adorn" but that's the single of the year so far, so no biggie

J0rdan S., Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

it's nice? it might sneak up on me in time.

it's not the single of the year, it's not even the r&b single of the year lol

lex pretend, Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

*shrug*

J0rdan S., Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

yah "adorn" is my favorite song this year too i think. out of the 20 i've heard at least

bron paul (k3vin k.), Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

i don't think anything on the EP touches "adorn" but that's the single of the year so far, so no biggie

― J0rdan S., Sunday, March 4, 2012 6:24 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark

haven't heard it yet but aren't there only like 2 other songs on the EP? 'best of three' is kind of...anyway "Adorn" is nice but i have absolutely no idea how it's in any way different from or better than anything off the first album.

some dude, Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'm not saying that it is! just that it's the best song i've heard this year

J0rdan S., Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

"gravity" is really good too

al you don't see how "adorn" is stylistically different than like, "sure thing"?

bron paul (k3vin k.), Monday, 5 March 2012 00:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

you just gotta vibe to adorn, dude

flagp∞st (dayo), Monday, 5 March 2012 00:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

i vibe to it, but i also vibe to his whole album.

at this point he's only got a fairly small number of songs out that are all good to great and none too similar to each other. so "adorn" is unique but of a piece of that body of work just as "sure thing" is. its brevity is the only thing i see as any kind of departure.

some dude, Monday, 5 March 2012 01:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

I need to check out this ep. Thanks

curmudgeon, Monday, 5 March 2012 15:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

So I found this 2005 12-inch in a dollar bin a year and a half ago, and I bought it on the off chance it was the same Miguel. Turns out it was. The song is very much a product of its time.

Evan R, Monday, 5 March 2012 15:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

just went on Spotify to see if they had the new EP, they don't, but they do have a single he apparently released in 2011 called "Strawberry Amazing," which i had never heard anything about before, pretty good, very lo-fi Prince

something i noticed on the Art Dealer Chic liner notes -- Miguel self-produced the whole thing (except for one co-production from Fisticuffs, who did "Quickie" and "Girls Like You"). afaik Miguel didn't really do any of the production on the first album, so it looks like he's really stepping up and getting more involved in that side of things.

some dude, Monday, 5 March 2012 15:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Strawberry Amazing" was on his 2008's Mischief, too, and he co-produced that entire mixtape with Fisticuffs. That mixtape was super lo-fi; it sounds like he recorded it with a Casio and a boombox, but you can definitely hear a lot of echoes of the new EP in it.

Evan R, Monday, 5 March 2012 16:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

i don't really feel like the Jive album sanded off the edges of that aesthetic much at all, give or take a few of the more established producers' contributions

some dude, Monday, 5 March 2012 16:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I agree. When I first heard the Jive album, I was actually surprised by how low-budget it sounded at times, especially the Fisticuffs productions. Because it came out so quietly at the time (this was before "Sure Thing" had any legs) I was wondering if Jive had cut corners and were just trying to bury the album. It definitely took a few listens for some of the more muffled production to make sense.

Evan R, Monday, 5 March 2012 16:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

I kind of think of that hazy, reverbed vibe as the album's distinguishing characteristic. Gives it a very warm, intimate feel. Although a lot of that is down to Miguel himself, too.

marissa explains it all (The Reverend), Monday, 5 March 2012 17:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

like Strawberry Amazing but always hear a little Lenny Kravitz :/

bnw, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 04:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

i don't think anything on the EP touches "adorn" but that's the single of the year so far, so no biggie

― J0rdan S., Sunday, March 4, 2012 6:24 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

'adorn' is great but the single of the year so far is obv 'climax'

flagp∞st (dayo), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 14:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Climax" hasn't really hit me yet. I'm an "Adorn" partisan.

marissa explains it all (The Reverend), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 00:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

'adorn' is great but the single of the year so far is obv 'climax'

wanna say "dayo otm", but i guess i got something to listen to when i get home

meticulously showcased in a stunning fart presentation (contenderizer), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 00:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

My ex is friends w his little brother lol. Apparently he sings too tho not professionally afaik

I like miguel. Sure thing was never my thing but he has a great voice and feels like a genuine original

D-40, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 01:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think EZsnappin nailed it on tumblr where he said "Adorn" sounds like early-80s Marvin. The greater trick though, is that he achieves that vibe without any air of tribute or homage.

marissa explains it all (The Reverend), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 05:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

ban dayo

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 7 March 2012 05:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

"adorn" is so killing me atm

meticulously showcased in a stunning fart presentation (contenderizer), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 05:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

i agree with dayo that "climax" is better than "adorn"

lex pretend, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 10:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Adorn" makes me think of Prince fwiw

D-40, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 11:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

it makes me think of Prince less than 80% of his material but he definitely wrote it in part because he couldn't write another song called "Adore"

some dude, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 11:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

nbd, just a cross between marvin gaye & prince

john-claude van donne (schlump), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 12:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

vol 2, tomorrow

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 00:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

my neighbors always know when I come home because I bump adorn 4 times

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 00:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

^____^

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 00:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

haha i d/led it from miguel's site which requires you to fill out a non-optional "Hopes and Dreams" box to download lololol smh

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 02:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think I like "Arch n Point" even more than "Adorn"! This is sooooooooooo good... even on my shitty laptop speakers it just sounds fantastic

Evan R, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 03:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Broads" is a tad wacky

Number None, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 09:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah, it's just terrible. Like, delete-from-iTunes bad.

Evan R, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 14:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

god damn "arch n point"

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 28 March 2012 14:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

the songs are masterpieces of deceptively casual understatement and pacing, i've only had this 5 days and i've already played it like 20 times

j., Friday, 26 June 2015 18:35 (6 days ago) Permalink

coffee in the morning
coffee in the morning
coffee in the morning
coffee in the morning

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 June 2015 19:23 (6 days ago) Permalink

The second half of "waves" is exhilarating. Paid this dust in the wake of CRJ but am excited to return to it this weekend.

carly bae jepsen (monotony), Saturday, 27 June 2015 00:35 (5 days ago) Permalink

yes...I...paid this dust...as well...you know me...always paying dust...

some dude, Saturday, 27 June 2015 00:48 (5 days ago) Permalink

this is the best album ever

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 30 June 2015 16:33 (2 days ago) Permalink

if you mean the best album made by Miguel since 2013, then sure

some dude, Tuesday, 30 June 2015 16:54 (2 days ago) Permalink

lol when i'm listening to it it feels like the best thing in the world, so much depth and color

i tentatively think it's better than kaleidoscope dream

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 30 June 2015 17:05 (2 days ago) Permalink

Only on my first play and some of it sounds a bit laboured in the way that Kaleidoscope Dream never did, but Hollywood Dreams and NWA really stood out.

Haha okay I just got to the second half of Leaves and I *really* wasn't expecting it to turn into 1979 by the Smashing Pumpkins.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 30 June 2015 17:15 (2 days ago) Permalink

Flesh really reminds me of parts of the last Beyonce album, it's a so-so piece of songwriting but consistently engaging because of the *performance*, particularly Miguel's willingness to explore as many facets of his voice as possible (fragile falsetto, lascivious growl, full-throated Marvin swoop, stadium rock holler, overlapping clouds of mini-Migs). It's astonishing.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 1 July 2015 08:10 (Yesterday) Permalink

this is v good

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 1 July 2015 13:05 (Yesterday) Permalink

lol finally hearing "1979" in "leaves"

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 1 July 2015 14:27 (Yesterday) Permalink

Although I liked the P-Fork review, this constant pairing of Miguel and Frank Ocean is so tiresome.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 July 2015 14:31 (Yesterday) Permalink

Maybe I'm just being really uncharitable in my reading of that review, but to me it came off as "Miguel's high-concept experimenting is here to save us from all that loathsome R&B" in some places.

Greer, Wednesday, 1 July 2015 14:41 (Yesterday) Permalink

A good review though otherwise. I particularly enjoyed the explanation of what makes Miguel's sexual come-ons seem so much less gross/more tolerable than his counterparts.

Greer, Wednesday, 1 July 2015 14:42 (Yesterday) Permalink

It's true that Migs mitigates his aggression with a gosh-darn cuteness, but I don't get how this review and Caramanica's the other day assert that the "divide" in Miguel's "soul" is any different from Usher, MJ, Marvin Gaye, or whatever.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 July 2015 15:06 (Yesterday) Permalink

market positioning

maura, Wednesday, 1 July 2015 18:13 (Yesterday) Permalink

the show last night was incredible, btw.

maura, Wednesday, 1 July 2015 18:14 (Yesterday) Permalink

reading reviews of this record has reminded me of why i dislike references to other artists and albums in music criticism; a lot of times they show off the limitations of the writers' knowledge base when the opposite is probably intended.

maura, Wednesday, 1 July 2015 18:16 (Yesterday) Permalink

i'm gonna need more time with this; first listen or two is not demolishing me. same was true for much of kaleidoscope tho', so maybe it's just exposure. coffee is a likely top ten single tho'.

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 1 July 2015 18:20 (Yesterday) Permalink

^^

Finally, someone else who isn't immediately blown away by this. Only difference is that I seem to remember liking all of Kaleidoscope Dream pretty much instantly.

The New Gay Sadness (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 1 July 2015 18:34 (Yesterday) Permalink

bonus tracks are pretty dece! like, easily worthy of inclusion & not all all throwaway like i was half-expecting

cannot stop listening to coffee though

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 1 July 2015 18:39 (Yesterday) Permalink

I wasn't blown away by it at first either. Few albums do.

I stopped listening to "Coffee" because if I hadn't it's all I'd be listening to.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 July 2015 18:46 (Yesterday) Permalink

it doesn't really work for me until "The Valley"; after that it's terrific

droit au butt (Euler), Wednesday, 1 July 2015 18:50 (Yesterday) Permalink

tbf, i'm spinning between this and several other albums simultaneously; shouldn't opine until i have some focused listening time most likely

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 1 July 2015 18:58 (Yesterday) Permalink

some of this is very good, though the rock touches on the opener turn me off a lot and almost made me stop listening tbh

marcos, Wednesday, 1 July 2015 19:01 (Yesterday) Permalink

i've only heard the first third so far, so reserving judgment

wisdom be leakin out my louche douche truths (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 1 July 2015 19:18 (Yesterday) Permalink

not much new to add: I don't love this yet ("Coffee" aside) but I may well get there eventually.

When he sings/says "Santa Monica Boulevard" at the end of "Hollywood Dreams" I always think of Sheryl Crow.

List of people who are ready for woe and how we know this (seandalai), Wednesday, 1 July 2015 19:20 (Yesterday) Permalink

Yeah I think the first three tracks taken together are fairly deal isn't bad but the arrangement feels flimsy, whereas the others feel simultaneously sluggish and weedy.

Really takes off from Coffee onwards, mind.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 1 July 2015 22:29 (Yesterday) Permalink

this tweet may be the key to unlocking for fence sitters https://twitter.com/ietyler/status/616298059350151168

, Thursday, 2 July 2015 00:31 (4 hours ago) Permalink

Tyler Adams ‏@ietyler 7h7 hours ago

I shouldn't be reading music reviews anyway but people frame "All I Want Is You" as a "lukewarm" or inconsistent album and that's incorrect.

^^ otm

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 July 2015 00:34 (4 hours ago) Permalink

IAWIY is probably still the best R&B album of the decade imho unless i'm forgetting something obvious. DDM you could call R&B i guess.

wisdom be leakin out my louche douche truths (k3vin k.), Thursday, 2 July 2015 00:57 (4 hours ago) Permalink

yeah it's a masterpiece

flopson, Thursday, 2 July 2015 01:05 (4 hours ago) Permalink

hard to imagine growing to love any of the first three tracks... here's hoping

flopson, Thursday, 2 July 2015 01:15 (4 hours ago) Permalink

i purposely avoided gorging myself on "coffee" when it came out so i could preserve my appreciation for the album context. what a song. "old souls have found a new religion"

flopson, Thursday, 2 July 2015 01:19 (4 hours ago) Permalink

haha waves is awesome

flopson, Thursday, 2 July 2015 01:24 (3 hours ago) Permalink

yeah i kind of don't get this revisionist history about all i want is you being a commercial sop of some sort. is it because of j. cole?

maura, Thursday, 2 July 2015 04:18 (1 hour ago) Permalink

tbh i think that narrative is 1/2 people who slept on "Sure Thing" etc and 1/2 Miguel himself downplaying the debut when promoting Kaleidoscope Dream

some dude, Thursday, 2 July 2015 04:32 (49 minutes ago) Permalink

for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Thursday, 2 July 2015 04:43 (38 minutes ago) Permalink

I like the new album and the last one a lot but the fact remains that several years ago miguel sang a lto of off-key hooks on terrible songs

for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Thursday, 2 July 2015 04:43 (38 minutes ago) Permalink

"Lotus Flower Bomb" is the only bad one and even that is mainly bad because of Wale

some dude, Thursday, 2 July 2015 04:51 (29 minutes ago) Permalink


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