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because this dude has outgrown the R&B thread

bron paul (k3vin k.), Sunday, 4 March 2012 07:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

new ep is fantastic. 'adorn' and 'gravity' are immediately brilliant but 'that i do' has also really grown on me. i only really remember loving 'sure thing' and 'all i want is you' from the album last year but this has made me wanna relisten.

bass, Sunday, 4 March 2012 11:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

I've come to the opinion that "Quickie" is the best single from the debut

marissa explains it all (The Reverend), Sunday, 4 March 2012 12:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah i love the new EP, this after "all i want is you" and "sure thing" were basically my favorite r&b songs of the past 2 years. he's making a case for replacing jeremih as my facvorite male r&b singer

bron paul (k3vin k.), Sunday, 4 March 2012 17:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

how big is this dude now I have no sense of scale for pop music anymore

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 4 March 2012 17:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

genuinely like what I've heard of his

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 4 March 2012 17:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Adorn" is the best song I've heard this year. Thanks Rev!

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 4 March 2012 17:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

how big is this dude now I have no sense of scale for pop music anymore

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, March 4, 2012 12:46 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark

"sure thing" was the #1 song on u.s. urban radio last year and his song w/ wale brings his total of big r&b hits to 4, but he hasn't crossed over to pop audiences at all, even to the moderate extent of trey songz or whoever

some dude, Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

so sad that adorn is only 2:19 long

flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

i guess he's in that weird robin thicke zone of 'non-black r&b singer whose fanbase is predominantly black'

some dude, Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

Miguel Jontel Pimentel was born in Los Angeles.[1][2] He is one of two sons born to a Mexican father and an African American mother.[2]

flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh word, i thought he was just full on hoos is mexican

some dude, Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

so sad that adorn is only 2:19 long

― flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, March 4, 2012 10:21 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is prob the best part about it!

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

like it ends and I'm all "what a good song that was"

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

what a good post that was

flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

I grew up w/ indian parents who only listened to indian music but since I grew up in new orleans they also listened to a lot of aaron neville and only nevilee (????) and I think there is something nevilleish abt this that I really appreciate

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

didn't mean to spell him wrong the second time

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

"that i do" is incredible

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Sunday, 4 March 2012 21:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

"gravity" is my favourite on the EP i think

"adorn" hasn't clicked with me yet, i think with these reedy-voiced guys like miguel and jeremih, i find myself either falling head over heels with songs where some alchemy makes them sound perfect ("sure thing", "birthday sex", "imma star") or i'm left a bit cold.

lex pretend, Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

the production doesn't grab you?

flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

i don't think anything on the EP touches "adorn" but that's the single of the year so far, so no biggie

J0rdan S., Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

it's nice? it might sneak up on me in time.

it's not the single of the year, it's not even the r&b single of the year lol

lex pretend, Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

*shrug*

J0rdan S., Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

yah "adorn" is my favorite song this year too i think. out of the 20 i've heard at least

bron paul (k3vin k.), Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

i don't think anything on the EP touches "adorn" but that's the single of the year so far, so no biggie

― J0rdan S., Sunday, March 4, 2012 6:24 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark

haven't heard it yet but aren't there only like 2 other songs on the EP? 'best of three' is kind of...anyway "Adorn" is nice but i have absolutely no idea how it's in any way different from or better than anything off the first album.

some dude, Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'm not saying that it is! just that it's the best song i've heard this year

J0rdan S., Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

"gravity" is really good too

al you don't see how "adorn" is stylistically different than like, "sure thing"?

bron paul (k3vin k.), Monday, 5 March 2012 00:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

you just gotta vibe to adorn, dude

flagp∞st (dayo), Monday, 5 March 2012 00:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

i vibe to it, but i also vibe to his whole album.

at this point he's only got a fairly small number of songs out that are all good to great and none too similar to each other. so "adorn" is unique but of a piece of that body of work just as "sure thing" is. its brevity is the only thing i see as any kind of departure.

some dude, Monday, 5 March 2012 01:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

I need to check out this ep. Thanks

curmudgeon, Monday, 5 March 2012 15:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

So I found this 2005 12-inch in a dollar bin a year and a half ago, and I bought it on the off chance it was the same Miguel. Turns out it was. The song is very much a product of its time.

Evan R, Monday, 5 March 2012 15:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

just went on Spotify to see if they had the new EP, they don't, but they do have a single he apparently released in 2011 called "Strawberry Amazing," which i had never heard anything about before, pretty good, very lo-fi Prince

something i noticed on the Art Dealer Chic liner notes -- Miguel self-produced the whole thing (except for one co-production from Fisticuffs, who did "Quickie" and "Girls Like You"). afaik Miguel didn't really do any of the production on the first album, so it looks like he's really stepping up and getting more involved in that side of things.

some dude, Monday, 5 March 2012 15:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Strawberry Amazing" was on his 2008's Mischief, too, and he co-produced that entire mixtape with Fisticuffs. That mixtape was super lo-fi; it sounds like he recorded it with a Casio and a boombox, but you can definitely hear a lot of echoes of the new EP in it.

Evan R, Monday, 5 March 2012 16:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

i don't really feel like the Jive album sanded off the edges of that aesthetic much at all, give or take a few of the more established producers' contributions

some dude, Monday, 5 March 2012 16:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I agree. When I first heard the Jive album, I was actually surprised by how low-budget it sounded at times, especially the Fisticuffs productions. Because it came out so quietly at the time (this was before "Sure Thing" had any legs) I was wondering if Jive had cut corners and were just trying to bury the album. It definitely took a few listens for some of the more muffled production to make sense.

Evan R, Monday, 5 March 2012 16:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

I kind of think of that hazy, reverbed vibe as the album's distinguishing characteristic. Gives it a very warm, intimate feel. Although a lot of that is down to Miguel himself, too.

marissa explains it all (The Reverend), Monday, 5 March 2012 17:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

like Strawberry Amazing but always hear a little Lenny Kravitz :/

bnw, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 04:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

i don't think anything on the EP touches "adorn" but that's the single of the year so far, so no biggie

― J0rdan S., Sunday, March 4, 2012 6:24 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

'adorn' is great but the single of the year so far is obv 'climax'

flagp∞st (dayo), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 14:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Climax" hasn't really hit me yet. I'm an "Adorn" partisan.

marissa explains it all (The Reverend), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 00:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

'adorn' is great but the single of the year so far is obv 'climax'

wanna say "dayo otm", but i guess i got something to listen to when i get home

meticulously showcased in a stunning fart presentation (contenderizer), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 00:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

My ex is friends w his little brother lol. Apparently he sings too tho not professionally afaik

I like miguel. Sure thing was never my thing but he has a great voice and feels like a genuine original

D-40, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 01:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think EZsnappin nailed it on tumblr where he said "Adorn" sounds like early-80s Marvin. The greater trick though, is that he achieves that vibe without any air of tribute or homage.

marissa explains it all (The Reverend), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 05:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

ban dayo

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 7 March 2012 05:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

"adorn" is so killing me atm

meticulously showcased in a stunning fart presentation (contenderizer), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 05:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

i agree with dayo that "climax" is better than "adorn"

lex pretend, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 10:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Adorn" makes me think of Prince fwiw

D-40, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 11:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

it makes me think of Prince less than 80% of his material but he definitely wrote it in part because he couldn't write another song called "Adore"

some dude, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 11:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

nbd, just a cross between marvin gaye & prince

john-claude van donne (schlump), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 12:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

vol 2, tomorrow

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 00:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

my neighbors always know when I come home because I bump adorn 4 times

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 00:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

Although kinda subtle and not awfully dramatic, "what's normal anyway" has increasingly revealed itself to be the beating heart of this record. Sleeper deep cut. Is that manipulated vocal hook that occurs throughout sampling anything? Sounds awfully familiar...

vmajestic, Thursday, 20 August 2015 15:00 (5 months ago) Permalink

I accept "What's Normal Anyway" as the heart of this record but I really don't fuck with it at all. I mean, I used to do the "I'm mixed, woe is me, nobody understands me" thing but then I recognized it for the internalized manifestation of white supremacy it is and can't stand when other people get in their #MixedFeelings. Like it's really fucking shitty to monoracial black people.

drown zoowap (The Reverend), Thursday, 20 August 2015 23:46 (5 months ago) Permalink

it's a very pretty song, it does so much with very little, but the lyrics are definitely the worst mutation of his individuality fixation

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 20 August 2015 23:55 (5 months ago) Permalink

i respect those takes takes but the song doesn't feel self-pitying or yearning to fit in to me, just the phrase "what's normal anyway" seems to me like a poetically casual way to shrug it all off. race is obviously a big component of the song that i can speak to but i think it's also pretty broadly about a lot of 'caught between two different worlds' feelings that a lot of people have in different situations.

some dude, Friday, 21 August 2015 00:28 (5 months ago) Permalink

i mean compared to the smug clumsy way a Kid Cudi or a Childish Gambino addresses that subject matter it's pretty deft imo.

some dude, Friday, 21 August 2015 00:30 (5 months ago) Permalink

The tossed-off way he sings the hook mitigates the self-pity imo. Brevity helps too.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 August 2015 00:32 (5 months ago) Permalink

if individuality fixation means pharrell influence, which i guess it does

r|t|c, Friday, 21 August 2015 00:33 (5 months ago) Permalink

hm true some dude, just sort of dislike the effect of ~i don't work in a binary~ *reinforces other binaries*

it's such a prettyyyy song though

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Friday, 21 August 2015 02:23 (5 months ago) Permalink

too crazy for boystown, too much of a boy for crazytown

Merdeyeux, Friday, 21 August 2015 02:27 (5 months ago) Permalink

lmao

some dude, Friday, 21 August 2015 02:33 (5 months ago) Permalink

In a crowd and I need a bone.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 August 2015 02:37 (5 months ago) Permalink

I accept "What's Normal Anyway" as the heart of this record but I really don't fuck with it at all. I mean, I used to do the "I'm mixed, woe is me, nobody understands me" thing but then I recognized it for the internalized manifestation of white supremacy it is and can't stand when other people get in their #MixedFeelings. Like it's really fucking shitty to monoracial black people.

― drown zoowap (The Reverend), Thursday, August 20, 2015 11:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if mixed ppl don't talk about the specific issues of being mixed no one else will though. i've definitely seen some instances where the internalised white supremacy is obvious but i disagree that #mixedproblems are inherently shitty to black people.

"what's normal anyway" feels v borne of miguel's own life experiences

lex pretend, Friday, 21 August 2015 06:57 (5 months ago) Permalink

imo it is one of the weaker songs on here, i think it's a little corny and obvious tbh. i admire the spirit of the song. i'm hispanic/latino but grew up in a completely homogenous white suburb so have always felt like an outsider among both white and latino circles, it took a long time for me to be able to process the yes *intersectional* aspects of my identity, being a poc but also feeling more familiar (though not comfortable) with white middle class environments, tbh the 15-year-old me would have fucking loved the song to death but it's a little too much for me now? idk.

and tbf to miguel he's talking about being mixed mexican/black and that's a somewhat different dynamic than the #mixedfeelings rev is referencing?

that said i do think both lex & rev are otm here.

marcos, Friday, 21 August 2015 13:40 (5 months ago) Permalink

He talks a little about What's Normal Anyway specifcally here: http://www.portlandmercury.com/portland/whats-normal-anyway/Content?oid=16294961

Even after his quick rise and the success of Kaleidoscope Dream, Miguel says he still has "a bit of an underdog mentality" that he'll likely carry for the rest of his life. But he's carrying a lot less than he used to. He calls "What's Normal Anyway" an "emancipation" from the feelings it expresses; just by writing them and singing them out loud, he has not only offloaded their power over him, but has turned them into forces for good.

"Letting go of all of these parameters that I felt kept me from connecting, I've almost repurposed them and made them the reason why I do connect," Miguel says. "Because in that vulnerability, there's commonality, and people can relate with feeling out of place."

alpine static, Friday, 21 August 2015 14:24 (5 months ago) Permalink

parameters, repurposed, commonality

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 August 2015 14:26 (5 months ago) Permalink

he's got the jargon down

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 August 2015 14:26 (5 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

every song was mistagged when i dl'd this so only now am i realizing the standout for me is 'leaves', i love it as mch as u guys did adorn

johnny crunch, Sunday, 6 September 2015 17:52 (5 months ago) Permalink

its really confusing bcuz im too lazy to rename it & its tagged FLESH & prev i thought it mightev been hollywood dreams lol

johnny crunch, Sunday, 6 September 2015 17:53 (5 months ago) Permalink

i love "leaves" more than "adorn"

lex pretend, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 10:44 (5 months ago) Permalink

ooohh let my leaves adorn you

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 September 2015 11:04 (5 months ago) Permalink

i love both leaves and adorn very very much

marcos, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 13:35 (5 months ago) Permalink

been listening to kaleidoscope dream a lot lately, it so so so good

it actually makes me appreciate wildheart a lot more, idk why, i know i talked some shit about the rock touches on wildheart but i have been digging them more

whoever said upthread that their opinion changes all the time about wildheart was otm, right now though i am loving it and loving miguel so much

marcos, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 13:38 (5 months ago) Permalink

curious what people think of the production. it seems really "vibe-y" and almost lo fi in a lot of places. more like classic rock in some ways.

unknown pleasure zone (uptown churl), Friday, 11 September 2015 15:19 (4 months ago) Permalink

he's always had that balance i think. for all its lush qualities "adorn" also strikes me as distinctly homemade

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Friday, 11 September 2015 16:34 (4 months ago) Permalink

whoever said upthread that their opinion changes all the time about wildheart was otm

i feel this and still not sure if i even like it &

i love "leaves" more than "adorn"

this is just crazy to me

tpp, Friday, 11 September 2015 22:21 (4 months ago) Permalink

i love the way he sings "you know i'm from here" in leaves

marcos, Thursday, 24 September 2015 20:36 (4 months ago) Permalink

marcos, Thursday, 24 September 2015 20:42 (4 months ago) Permalink

he performed "Simplethings" on the Tonight Show recently...interesting if that's the single, considering it's so old and a bonus track, but then there's not many really strong single candidates on the album proper. it's maybe TOO similar to "Coffee," which got fairly little airplay, but i like both songs.

some dude, Thursday, 24 September 2015 20:43 (4 months ago) Permalink

"Waves" should be a single, fits in pretty well with the Derulo-wave stuff all over the radio right now

The Reverend, Friday, 25 September 2015 03:03 (4 months ago) Permalink

yea totally tbh I had assumed waves was already a single

Is coffee the only single? Besides waves I think leaves or beautiful exit could also work

marcos, Friday, 25 September 2015 03:14 (4 months ago) Permalink

huh "Waves" is one of the last songs i would've thought of as having any radio potential

some dude, Friday, 25 September 2015 03:58 (4 months ago) Permalink

It immediately jumped out at me as the catchiest thing on the album.

The Reverend, Friday, 25 September 2015 04:44 (4 months ago) Permalink

Waves is definitely my second favourite after Coffee.

carly bae jepsen (monotony), Friday, 25 September 2015 05:18 (4 months ago) Permalink

... Derulo-wave...

― The Reverend, Thursday, September 24, 2015

omg otm

resulting post (rogermexico.), Friday, 25 September 2015 07:36 (4 months ago) Permalink

if waves is released as a single
hoping for an over the top, rammstein-mein-land-style video

nxd, Friday, 25 September 2015 08:13 (4 months ago) Permalink

Waves is fantastic, it just feels like a classic driving song and surely one of the most radio-friendly on the album? Then again I'm talking about an idealised version of the radio and not the demographic-ed to hell version that actually exists.

Matt DC, Friday, 25 September 2015 11:17 (4 months ago) Permalink

Waves was Radio 1's song of the day a couple of days ago so it's happening

Your Ribs are My Ladder, Friday, 25 September 2015 11:41 (4 months ago) Permalink

This is finally out on vinyl. It was a nice surprise to find it in my local store this morning.

Kitchen Person, Friday, 25 September 2015 21:17 (4 months ago) Permalink

"goingtohell" is by far my favorite of the rockier songs on the album, "Waves" just never really gels for me, sounds very half-written

the Miguel feature on the Disclosure album seems below his usual standard but maybe i need to give it time

some dude, Saturday, 26 September 2015 04:14 (4 months ago) Permalink

I feel the exact opposite way around, I always forget that goingtohell exists.

Matt DC, Saturday, 26 September 2015 10:35 (4 months ago) Permalink

me too, I've been listening to this album for months and I still can't even remember what goingtohell sounds like

apart from leaves and maybe flesh I think the second half of this is much weaker than the first half, hollywood dreams in particular is one of my least favorites

marcos, Saturday, 26 September 2015 13:59 (4 months ago) Permalink

"waves" is getting a video

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Friday, 16 October 2015 19:05 (3 months ago) Permalink

and a j. cole remix it looks like

carly bae jepsen (monotony), Saturday, 17 October 2015 13:41 (3 months ago) Permalink

soon we'll see a J. Cole song with a "feat. J. Cole" credit.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 October 2015 19:07 (3 months ago) Permalink

lol

Evan R, Monday, 19 October 2015 19:28 (3 months ago) Permalink

The Reverend, Friday, 23 October 2015 03:26 (3 months ago) Permalink

"Super Turnt Up" is a song by American recording artist Ciara credited for featuring herself, the song was recorded for her fifth self-titled studio album Ciara (2013).

lex pretend, Friday, 23 October 2015 08:15 (3 months ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

conditional random jepsen (seandalai), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 22:35 (2 weeks ago) Permalink


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