Found this on atease. The Resemblance is uncanny.
― Moka, Thursday, 1 March 2012 21:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
Jonny IS a Rockstar fan - I remember he posted on Deadairspace once about playing Red Dead Redemption, so he might have played GTAIV as well.
― my life is starting over again (Z S), Thursday, 1 March 2012 22:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
Thom Yorke: I like Grand Theft Auto, though.Jonny Greenwood: Well that's the one, yeah.Interviewer: But if you guys get stuck into that, we won't get a record for 6 years, man, seriously!Thom Yorke: I tell you what, we got a great story about this, it's really boring: We turn up in Miami...Jonny Greenwood: This so freaked me out. We went to Miami, you walk out the hotel, and it's the game. And I know the city only from the game!Thom Yorke: He walked out and was all, [in professor voice] "Hmm, down, down there, that's the shopping mall, and over there..."
― Melissa W, Thursday, 1 March 2012 22:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't really hear the similarity though.
― Melissa W, Thursday, 1 March 2012 22:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
LOL, I am just dropping respect points for T Yorke left and right today, I have to stop discovering things about him like this! (OK, I am probably just biased against Rockstar games because the Great Lost Love Of My Life used to/probably still does work there.)
(I do hear the resemblance, it's mostly in the rhythm and the bassline, but it's definitely there.)
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Thursday, 1 March 2012 22:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
The beat, the bassline and the overall mood of the first minute is similar in my head. Then the song turns into another beast completely.
Identikit sounds very trip-hop at the beginning (as does the gta song) and when the guitar loop enters halfway in it reminded me of Studio or A Mountain of One... sort of a balearic jam. I wrote it sounded balearic to me (the guitar at least) and they ateasers told me to go to sleep.
― Moka, Thursday, 1 March 2012 22:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
For reference on what I mean by 'Studio Balearic':
― Moka, Thursday, 1 March 2012 22:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
Hahahahah LOL come on, erm, the ~other~ secret cheesecakers' forum.
We (and by we, I mean, well, I, but someone did ask) made some random theorising on the "Problematising the Indexicality of the Yorkeian Follicural Register" thread about how Thom's Bjorn Borg headband was prefiguring the prog-meets-house Scando-Balearic voibe of the new material.
(Problem is, you cannot say "Matt DC on a boat" as a genre to anyone outside ILX, it just does not work.)
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Thursday, 1 March 2012 22:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
Follicural? Follicular. I don't think even Judith Butler knows what Follicural means.
Hahaha aw I love you! I finally feel like someone gets what I was trying to say. And yes you're right, people on ILX are very open and knowleadgeable on their music styles. At the very least they'll disagree with you but tell you they get where you're coming from.
― Moka, Thursday, 1 March 2012 22:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
Really glad to know I'm not the only one who was getting a scando-balearic vibe from them.
― Moka, Thursday, 1 March 2012 22:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
I vow to never return to that other cheesecakers' godforsaken forum.
― Moka, Thursday, 1 March 2012 22:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
Wow, I completely forgot I owned a Studio album.
It's kind of an A Certain Ratio feel, too, the funk bassline and the atmospheric Factory guitars. Except, well, knowing RH, it's probably not, it's RHCP and GTA. *weeps*
GAH, just to upset me further, I just read that TY's wife's ~favourite band~ is RHCP. And that just made me o_0, like... HOW. Just the taste gap, how anyone could consider that band as a favourite. But then I told myself a nice little story that TY doesn't actually like Flea's bass playing, he just has him in the band to impress his missus, and I could get myself back to a reality I could deal with again.
Why, what happened on that other forum?
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Thursday, 1 March 2012 22:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
(It's weird, though, I don't hear All I Need / ROYGBIV at all, probably because one is Minor and the other Major)
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Thursday, 1 March 2012 22:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
Nothing really happened on the other forum I just get annoyed by the amount of trolls and negative, unfounded opinions some people have in there. They don't really vibe with me most of the time.
Mmm talking about In Rainbows I get where some of the 'all i need/roygbiv" accusations come from but even moreso I find 'La Ritournelle' as the direct basis for 'Reckoner'.
Also Kashmir's "surfing the warm industry" reminds me a lot of 'jigsaw falling into place". Thet have the same acoustic-rock guitar approach to the main melody, the motorik beat, the deadpan vocal delivery on the verses. Check it out:
― Moka, Thursday, 1 March 2012 22:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
And in case you haven't heard ritournelle yet:
They have the same lush and vibrant vibe, the loose drums (although reckoner’s are way superior to the ones on ritournelle imho) and the similarities on the jazzy chord progression make for enough similarities to pair both songs in familiar territories.
― Moka, Thursday, 1 March 2012 22:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
Eh, what? That's so bizarre, I've found it really friendly and sweet and quite accepting. While atease, holy shit, is atease a cesspit of trolls and negative, unfounded opinions. Also, fucking stalkers, which drove me off in the end, but YMMV.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Thursday, 1 March 2012 22:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
Just reading through the thread. The talk about Thom Yorke getting down to U2 just made me think of this:
Skip to 0:40
― MarkoP, Thursday, 1 March 2012 22:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
Speaking about RHCP, Reckoner definitely has a Frusciante thing going on in the main guitar melody.
So for me: Ritournelle + Frusciante = Reckoner.
― Moka, Thursday, 1 March 2012 22:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
― White Chocolate Cheesecake
Wait what forum are you talking about? I was speaking about atease as the godforsaken forum. I only thought cheesecake was a denomination for stans.
So to clarify I vow to never post again on atease because of all the negativity and trolls in there.
― Moka, Thursday, 1 March 2012 22:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
Also I wouldn't be surprised if Thom or Johnny own A Certain Ratio records. I think they played some ESG and Liquid Liquid on one of their webcasts or radio interviews, so they must definitely be acquainted with them.
― Moka, Thursday, 1 March 2012 22:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh! No, sorry, we were talking at cross purposes! I'm never posting on atease again, no way, fuck that shit. The actual cheesecakers left and went something else.
I hear the arpeggios at the very beginning of the Kashmir song, but the rest of it is nothing like.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Thursday, 1 March 2012 23:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
OK, I can also hear the similarity in La Ritournelle, but I don't think it's direct, I think it's more like they're both ripping off paying homage to the same source? It's gonna drive me insane what it really is now, but it's like some kind of French soundtrack thing.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Thursday, 1 March 2012 23:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
They (well, Thom) always admit that they're shameless magpies and borrowers and outright thieves. I've read him claiming several times admitting that he's not that great a songwriter, he's just a really good sense of what to rip off and how. I think he's fairly open about it.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Thursday, 1 March 2012 23:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
Jonny always says that they try to copy things and fail.
― Melissa W, Thursday, 1 March 2012 23:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
As someone who works on Advertising I can tell you that there really isn't anything new under the sun. The most efficient and "creative" people I've met in the industry are all about 'remixing' off other's people work. Yorke has it right, you've got to know what to rip-off and how. If you throw a specific Scando-balearic song and another specific Trip Hop song in a mix it will stop sounding like ay of those and it transforms into something 'new'.
Would really recommend you to watch the 'everything is a remix' series on youtube.
― Moka, Thursday, 1 March 2012 23:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh yeah, I've been a songwriter, I've been in a band, I know how it works. Some of the most successful tracks I've ever written, I tried to rip something off, failed completely, and yet came up with something completely different and surprising.
The funniest things, are when you don't even know it, and you realise you must have ripped something off completely subconsciously.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Thursday, 1 March 2012 23:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
OH SHIT THEY'RE ON TO US!!!
::waves at cheesecakers::
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Thursday, 1 March 2012 23:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
(I really need to get a new screen name, I'm bored of this one already. I wonder if it's safe to go back to KDT again.)
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Thursday, 1 March 2012 23:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
I've no idea what you're talking about Karen.
― Moka, Thursday, 1 March 2012 23:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
Wait, really? I'm utterly confused now.
Cheesecake is slang for Radiohead fan fiction, specifically PR0N, y'know, SLASH. That's the whole joke.
Oh god, it's like meeting your own great grandchildren or something. After getting *thrown off* the official Radiohead forum for hosting and defending the slash on Pop Music Fan Fiction back in the mid 90s (that was the reason, IIRC, ignore what Thable Thom said, he's a liar) it's just really heartening to see that it's reached some kind of legitimacy and acceptance in the fan community. To the point where it even has its own name and subculture.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Thursday, 1 March 2012 23:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh. Oh. Wait... what? radiohead porn fiction? And it's called 'cheesecake'? Whoa TIL.
― Moka, Thursday, 1 March 2012 23:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
Now I'm interested to know if any of the Radiohead members are aware of this and what they think of it.
― Moka, Thursday, 1 March 2012 23:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm not signed up for that. Later!
― valleys of your mind (mh), Friday, 2 March 2012 00:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
No one's gonna write it in this thread.
― Melissa W, Friday, 2 March 2012 00:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh, I don't know about that! (...sighed Jonny as his delicate fingers reached down inside the waistband of Thom's red trousers.)
Moka, RH (or their ppl, I don't know who banned me) were v v ANTI fanfic, at least back in the late 90s. I don't know if that's changed, I wouldn't bring it up, but they were aware of its existence.)
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Friday, 2 March 2012 00:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
Were they really? They didn't have an official forum until 1999, and they were extremely lackadaisical about it. To my knowledge no one other than the dude who threatened Thom's baby with rape has ever even been banned. Maybe the forum you were on wasn't actually official.
― Melissa W, Friday, 2 March 2012 00:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
This was like 97 or 98! I know because it was before I moved back to the UK and I got here in 98. I'm fairly certain it was official because they used to post on it (their names were in a different colour but it was really easy to fake if you knew HTML - that's how basic it was.)
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Friday, 2 March 2012 00:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
Thable Thom managed to turn himself blue a couple of times and caused quite some confusion, despite clearly stating he was a "cloan" and an "imajinery frend"
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Friday, 2 March 2012 00:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
What you're talking about sounds like the official forum they have now, which started in September '99. As far as I know (and I've been on the official forum since then), there was no precursor to it and it was the first one they posted on regularly. Before that they just used to troll IRC. And there was slash on the forum from the beginning and no mod structure to speak of other than one tech guy to make sure it wasn't broken.
― Melissa W, Friday, 2 March 2012 00:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
And in '99 they were red, not blue!
It was 98 at the latest. I don't remember what the colours were but I was posting on it from my parents house in Upstate NY. I may not remember last week, but I remember posting on that forum.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Friday, 2 March 2012 00:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
Maybe it was some sort of EMI or Parlophone official board that wasn't located on Radiohead.com? That's all I can think of.
― Melissa W, Friday, 2 March 2012 00:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
It was definitely linked from Radiohead.com because I wouldn't have found it any other way.
There were a couple of other boards - there was, like emusic and there was the White Chocolate Farm - but I am positive it was an official board and they were posting on it. I'm not 100% certain on this, but I seem to recall it was Phil that was grossed out by it, though that could be my memory playing tricks on me.
It was over that Entertain Me site I used to do - there were two artists who objected to it, and one was Graham Coxon and the other was Radiohead. Like, this was something that used to provide me with frequent enough legal worries that I kept track of who was amenable (and whose management would actually work with us) and who was not.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Friday, 2 March 2012 00:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
Maybe it was someone in EMI who objected, because as far as I know no one has ever gotten any trouble from Radiohead or any of the people who actually speak for them or their wishes. One of my earliest memories of that board was someone posting her fanfiction for me to read, which is how I discovered there was even such thing as fanfiction.
― Melissa W, Friday, 2 March 2012 00:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
When I was getting threatened with legal writs, I wasn't exactly checking if it was a band member's name or an EMI bod on the cease and desist emails.
Actually, I might make sense that it was someone at EMI, since it was both Blur and RH that caused the most hassle (though it's weird because the Dandy Warhols, who were also on the same label, were hugely cool about it all.) But I honestly thought it came from specific members of the band. It was a long time ago, they may have changed their attitudes.
In the end, we just changed all the names and the bands became "Slur" and "Radioshack" and no one could say anything after that.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Friday, 2 March 2012 00:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
This is gonna bug me now, it's like 1 in the morning and I can't sleep, all these old memories stirred up in my head.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Friday, 2 March 2012 00:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm trying to remember if I even started Entertain Me in 95 or 96, but it was on Geocities (LOL prehistory of the web) before I got mine own server space, it never even had its own domain. It was first! *stamps feet* It was before fanfiction.net, it was before fandomination - we were only beaten to publishing by the lovely blue planet of There by a few months, but they wouldn't host dirty stuff and we would, so I win.
(feeling quite defensive now, can you tell?)
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Friday, 2 March 2012 00:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
There are very few accomplishments in my life that I'm really proud of, but founding E-Me and getting it discussed in, like, Rolling Stone, and getting music fan fiction and slash into the discourse like that, that's one of the things that I really want to point my finger to and say "I did that, that was me."
Of all the little tiny scratches in the markings of pop culture history, FFS, let me be proud of just that damn one.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Friday, 2 March 2012 01:02 (1 year ago) Permalink