Grimes/Claire Boucher thread

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good post, spot on I think

Chris S, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

Grimes exists pretty squarely in the center of the continuum, and I think an effect of that position is that the resulting performance of the equation sounds both more self-aware and dialogic (again, this is not unique, but it's only a small subset of female producer-performer work). The fact that she uses multiple voices rather than a single narrative-centric voice only underscores this.

yeah, that's a good way of describing a certain approach. suppose kd andersson's work in the knife and especially fever ray walks the same line, see also planningtorock et al.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

as far as gaga goes, i've always seen her primarily as a producer, and one of the things she produces (lol pun) is a knowingly prefab pop personality called "lady gaga", so in my view, she's closer to the center than it might seem

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

so, i'll take it there's no point in trying to wade into this thread now huh

the wild eyed boy from soundcloud (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

i dunno, what do you think about internet robots who are also producers?

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

daft punk is ok i guess

the wild eyed boy from soundcloud (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

i dunno, what do you think about internet robots who are also producers?

you mean like horse_ebooks?

40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

as far as gaga goes, i've always seen her primarily as a producer, and one of the things she produces (lol pun) is a knowingly prefab pop personality called "lady gaga", so in my view, she's closer to the center than it might seem

Yes I agree with this which is one reason I felt it necessary to caveat my explanation as a pretty massive simplification - insofar as performance is always a production (of one sort or another) it's actually theoretically dodgy to try to insist on a division between performance and production.

What I'm really getting at is the idea of character in music - and again not in the judgmental sense of "this music has no character" but more the question of whether the music presents a character or characters.

Lana Del Ray and Lady Gaga are both very clear, striking examples of that.

Tim F, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

New video! I really like this, although I'm not sure why, since it's essentially just four minutes of Grimes looking cute and goofy singing with headphones in various locations.

boxedjoy, Friday, 2 March 2012 15:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

The "Vanessa" video cost $60, mostly for booze. I believe this one cost at least twice that.

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Friday, 2 March 2012 15:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm pretty sure that the stadium in that video is the one I run a couple times a week at the gym.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 2 March 2012 16:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

I like the video, looks like she's having fun.

Moodles, Friday, 2 March 2012 20:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is quite good, not sure what i expected but didn't expect this

good luck Peeta Mellark (Bee OK), Saturday, 3 March 2012 06:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wish there was more love for "Nightmusik", sounds like an update of Cranes
So happy to see so much love for this girl

an elk hunt (Ówen P.), Sunday, 4 March 2012 22:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

Has anyone seen her live? I might try to catch her set at SXSW. Worth going?

Benjamin-, Monday, 5 March 2012 01:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

I seen her live, it was pretty awesome! She certainly knows what she's doing. Good for her with this new video coming out and all. Hope she has a good year!

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 5 March 2012 02:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

Me too. I'm excited for her. I saw her at SXSW a couple times last year, she was on tour with Rollie. She cradles the mic between ear and shoulder like a telephone.

an elk hunt (Ówen P.), Monday, 5 March 2012 04:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

sounds like an update of Cranes

This is at least 70% of my love for Grimes

cashmere tears-soaker (Abbbottt), Monday, 5 March 2012 04:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I think that was my first comment on her over in the Sandbox: Cranes with a laptop, which is p much like total and completely WCC-bait.

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Monday, 5 March 2012 09:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

huh, the invocation of Cranes makes me want to give this another try; my initial reaction was "nice enough, but not nice enough to seek out"

Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Monday, 5 March 2012 14:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think i much prefer halfaxa to visions, and i really like visions. but stuff like "dream fortress" is just otherworldly

this is my receipt for your receipt (Z S), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 04:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

an elk hunt (Ówen P.), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

I like this!

Luomas (admrl), Thursday, 8 March 2012 22:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

GRIMES IN 2012

GRIMES VS GRIME

Luomas (admrl), Thursday, 8 March 2012 22:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

Reading things like this...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/mar/08/grimes-visions-review

...make me understand why Lex doesn't like Grimes.

But then again reading things like Circumambient, a close runner-up to Oblivion in the standout stakes, sounds like an R&B song with all the money sucked out of it. makes me want to punch indie music criticism in the face.

...I KERNOW BECAUSE YOU DO (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Friday, 9 March 2012 11:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

I finally managed to d/l this off the 4AD website.

I like it. I was already predisposed to like it, so I'm relieved that I do like it.

It's just odd, that the amount of ink that seems to have been spilled over this record, none of it seems to bear the slightest connection to the music that I am hearing.

Coming around to the idea that reading about music may actually be the worst possible way of discovering music I might like.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 16 March 2012 15:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've always looked at music criticism, reviews, message boards, etc. as a way of finding and rediscovering music without giving any weight at all to the opinions behind the writing. I kinda sift through the opinions for keywords or phrases that are suited to my taste or warn me that I probably won't be into the music being discussed. The idea that someone can interpret a song, or any art for that matter, and bludgeon everyone else with that interpretation seems pretty dickish.

That said, I hope Grimes isn't dissected into oblivion by fans and critics alike. She's so damn likable, but even better than that she has interesting songs and you can actually dance to some of them. The ideas behind them are what stick out for me.

Cousin Slappy, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

into "oblivion"

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

It was unavoidable. I love that word.

Cousin Slappy, Friday, 16 March 2012 19:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Not tired at 4:30 AM and having a bedroom dance party to Visions. This is what it was made for.

If The xx were 2AM music for when I'm sad, and Claire's first two albums are music for when I want to zone out and drift (in a good way), this one is designed for dancing alone in the dark.

Also, the two Canadian-vinyl-only bonus tracks are pretty darn awesome.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Sunday, 18 March 2012 08:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

Grimes - Life After Death

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Sunday, 18 March 2012 08:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

Grimes - Ambrosia

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Sunday, 18 March 2012 08:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

They're the two extra tracks on a 12" vinyl version that cuts a bunch of the rest of the album - 8 tracks total, but two are 'new'.

When you figure out where to slot them into the full length version of the album (I've put Ambrosia before Symphonia IX and Life After Death right before Nightmusic) and tack on the Amazon bonus 'Angel' at the end (and exclude 'Christmas Song', the track what has her brother rapping on it), Visions is a formidable album.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Sunday, 18 March 2012 08:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

I just got this and it's still growing on me, so I'm not sure where it will end up on my scale of 1-10. This does seem a bit more diverse in its influences than typical electropop, with nods to house and R&B among other things. The combination of fairly fast, steady tempos, sing-songy melodies, glitches (or whatever they're called now), and the slightly affectless, introverted vocals remind me a bit of Lali Puna.

o. nate, Monday, 19 March 2012 19:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Vowels = Space and Time" is so perfect. Especially when the bassline comes in and she's singing little girl-like and then switches to breathy ethereality on the line "'cos boy you could [something something something]... yeah yeah yeah!"

Tim F, Thursday, 22 March 2012 21:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

people have really complex thoughts about her. i have only heard one song which i thought was slight but nice. i liked her more upon noticing the triforce tattoo on her arm.

teledyldonix, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 18:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

I do like how she uses her voice on this album - I just think she could have a bit more presence.

o. nate, Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Just saw her live for the first time in a year - holy shit - what a difference. Stage presence to spare, gigantic dance party for an hour and openers Born Gold were damn good too. Miles away from the soft-spoken and slightly-flustered set I saw opening for How to Dress Well. Glad to see the material is finally translating to a live setting really well.

Only complaints: (1) nothing off the first two albums which have basically been declared non-existent, Shakira style, (2) only the uptempo stuff got played. Not sure how 'skin' would have translated live, but wish she'd have tried.

still, amazing. off to afterparty now.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Sunday, 1 April 2012 04:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

this album is dope

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 April 2012 21:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

actually I guess this entire album really wants to be J-Pop by way of Sweden?

― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Tuesday, February 21, 2012 4:01 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark

my thoughts exactly -- pretty freaking novel and great IMO

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 April 2012 21:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

It feels very right to me that you like this J0rdan!

Tim F, Monday, 2 April 2012 22:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i was sleeping, no excuse

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 3 April 2012 00:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

i like certain tracks on this a lot, and like the overall aesthetic, some songs are def not standing with the best ones to me? it feels inconsistent

D-40, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 04:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Srs question how much have you listened to it deej? My experience was first few times I liked a couple of tunes a lot and was not so hot on the others, and then each time I listened the tracks that had blurred past me the first time got more and more distinct, and now my favourite tracks are probably "Vowels = Space & Time" and "Nightmusic" which I would never have said early on.

Tim F, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 04:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

yah i havent listened to it as much will try to spend some more time i suppose

D-40, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 05:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

the vocals on "vowels = space and time" are so good

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

sounds very r&b to me

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

gtfo no

lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, like r&b only way better

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stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's really kinda beautiful & novel imo... it's almost like an entire song of backing vocals

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:46 (2 years ago) Permalink


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