plus my "someone is talking about muslims on ilx" alarm went off
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
where's louis when you need him
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
"I don't see people as color, just in images of black and white."
― pplains, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
Whiteness is not imagined against blackness explicitly; whiteness is imagined against "non-whiteness", which usually defaults to "the darkest person in the neighborhood whom I'm not used to seeing around all of the time".
yeah i should have said that more precisely. whiteness v blackness is historically freighted in the american context.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:18 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
circling closer to what i mean, i feel like anti-black racist ideology necessitated the birth of "whiteness" in america.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
at the same time there also is a (multiple) 'white culture'(s) which 'whiteness' is tied to (and the aforementioned literal 'white-ness')
basically this is a subject for which we need more words
― iatee, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
I said something inadvertently racist yesterday and I felt bad about it
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
but it is always going to be difficult to be precise about whiteness as long as it's both an observable reality about a person's, i don't know, "phenotype" and an imaginary category of racelessness deployed in racist ideology.
xp
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
yeah but all those multiple white cultures get collapsed into one when posited against 'non-whiteness' xp
― flagp∞st (dayo), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
I could post a dozen face-palms that I've pulled on myself in the past month.
― pplains, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
is anyone talking about this subject now itt "white"
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
haha sorry
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
so obsessed with whites!
tell your story, please
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
I'm scared 2
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
guys this is nice and all but i don't "see race"
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:40 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i say a lot of racist things, so theoretically i could keep you company, but i immediately block them out so as to keep up my busy schedule of self-righteousness :/
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
A person only has much time.
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
"I'm racist btw"
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
by and large the only people who are black in the few block radius surrounding my apt building are the pimps who stand outside, they moved in about a year ago after all the salvadorian pimps suddenly disappeared, and I was talking to a friend of mine who lives in my building and was all "holy shit did you hear those pimps screaming at each other earlier" and he was like "nah dude it was just this black couple outside having a fight or something"
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
you…. monster.
― pplains, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
Bet I can beat it.
― pplains, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
I dedicate the turn this thread is about to take to horseshoe
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
guys? let's not do this.
guys?
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
rolling "I am Racist" thread
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
cool stories, bros, but...
― omar little, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
yeah no I know
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
So I'm at the county fair and they're having this barbecue eating contest...
― pplains, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
ah fuck
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
no
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
No, I'm kidding. My county doesn't have a fair.
― pplains, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
can we talk about the time my father was running for re-election as school board president and he got anonymous phone calls from people disagreeing with his policies and telling him he was a "stupid mick"
― omar little, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
sure
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
were they at least well thought out disagreements
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:10 (twelve years ago) link
there were multiple calls from various people. not insulting as much as a *~~wee bit~~* scary.
― omar little, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
i have been told by white people that they don't even think of me as not being white before and i always think, you're lying.
...i feel like what they mean is "i don't group you in my mind with scary blacks and latinos" which is NOT THE SAME THING
― horseshoe, Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:16 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
nothing to contribute, just horseshoe otm. perceived difference is definitely a sliding scale.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0W2Qlmnjm8
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
must admit, that's the first thing I've seen that makes the help look like it's conceivably watchable
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
i don't think i ever mentioned this but when i was at rock the bells last year, i found a hardback copy of "the help" (minus the dustjacket but otherwise in perfect condition) lying on the ground in the middle of a field. I mailed it to my mother.
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
the selective appearance of feminism in conservative rhetoric whenever islam comes into view is seriously the most annoying thing
― goole, Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:51 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
real talk
also horseshoe is p much always otm
― catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 23:03 (twelve years ago) link
the way they stand up for gay rights in the same context is similarly touching
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 23:08 (twelve years ago) link
mostly tho the bizarreness is because of the conflation of neoconservatism with social conservatism in the Republican party, right?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 23:16 (twelve years ago) link
the (un?)intended implication of the sum of those arguments is that the modern west has arrived at something close to the exactly perfect status of women. feminism too hot, islam too cold, women voting and driving but making 70c on a man's dollar, just right.
― goole, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:39 (twelve years ago) link
well we also had the exactly perfect status of women 50 years ago or 20 years ago. and, assuming things trend in positive directions, we will 20 years from now.
― iatee, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:44 (twelve years ago) link
I mean 'protecting the present' is just an inherent part of conservativism, ya know
― iatee, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:46 (twelve years ago) link
both of you otm
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:59 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwEi5Dpq6zs
Should note this is part of a full show dealing with bigotry, which I haven't seen, and ymmv with the 'jokes'/character on display here but it makes a similar point to some of the above discussion, might be worth a watch.
― kinder, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:19 (twelve years ago) link
One time I accidentally did a very racist stand-up comedy karaoke bit.
I was at karaoke w/ pretty much the whole ChiLX crew (La Lechera, Jenny, Jeff, jaymc, Eazy, et al.). I don't sing at karaoke, but I saw that they had a bunch of stand up comedy tracks and I selected "Celebrity Humor."
When my turn came I was confused b/c the jokes were about race. I was confused and also horrified because it never occurred to me that I could stop what was happening and I couldn't believe that I "had to" do this bit.
Most of the jokes were relatively mild - e.g., the Irish sure have a lot of kids, Italians sure are Catholic - but some were worse (Chinese couple's misunderstanding re "69" being a sex act/General Tso's Chicken).
I interrupted myself a couple times to say "Holy shit! This is terrible!" and finally when it was almost over, it dawned on me that the show didn't have to go on. I think I announced the mix-up and tried to erase my performance with babbling.
Then I went back to the bar and chugged a bottle of beer, which turned out to not to be the one I had been drinking, but one the stranger standing next to me had set down for a second.
― garbage corn fan (Je55e), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 05:51 (twelve years ago) link
The karaoke operator apologized like crazy and bought me a drink. He said he didn't even know that he had any joke tracks, which is plausible since they were a small section and not something anyone would choose on purpose - stuff like mother-in-law jokes, sports jokes, and "Jewish humor".
― garbage corn fan (Je55e), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 05:54 (twelve years ago) link
most non-racists sing songs at karaoke
― what's a goon to garbus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 05:56 (twelve years ago) link
"Deutschland Uber Alles" wasn't on the list, Je55e? :)
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 06:07 (twelve years ago) link