"Escape From New York" - stupid film, but.... Classic or Dud?

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Mouth of Madness is okaaaay, and then yeah, massive drop after that. They Live is the last 'can be watched and enjoyed many times' Carpenter.

I didn't learn my lesson until paying to see Escape from LA *AND* Vampires in the theater...I was such a fangirl I kept hoping it would get better. But it really, really didn't. *cries*

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

Also Vampires is the reason I hate James Woods to this day.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

banning amateurist...damn no ban button. banning alex in nyc in retrospect too for being such a dope.

scott seward, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

banning me for what? i didn't say all his '80s films suck. some of them are pretty damn good, if flawed. big trouble is probably the best of the lot. but they do seem like a dropoff to me from assault/halloween which are unfuckwithable.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

actually i think i was just taking alex's thread title and first post out on you. he's not around, i have to ban someone!

scott seward, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

plus, i love this movie.

scott seward, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

Pissed that Netflix has this streaming in pan and scan.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

and i really like later walter hill movies too. trespass, wild bill, last man standing, crossroads, johnny handsome, streets of fire, red heat, extreme prejudice.

scott seward, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'm actually more of a fan of streets of fire than i am of the 48 hours movies. though the first 48 hours is good.

scott seward, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

though my fave three came out three years in a row: warriors, long riders, and southern comfort.

scott seward, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

and speaking of walter hill, would watch:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet_to_the_Head

scott seward, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

banning alex in nyc in retrospect too for being such a dope.

Why don't you go gargle with a bag of your own filth?

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

ALEX!

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

If an eyepatch and camo pants is wrong, I don't want it to be right.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

this is the weakest of the Carpenter/Russell troika but it is still great. Carpenter had an amazing 15 year run - Josh in Chicago otm about that. Even stuff like the Fog and They Live are loads of fun.

Artful Dodderer (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

oof i should have known better than to summon the grouch.

scott seward, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

lol

RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 20:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

this is kind've the second worst thread title ever

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 21:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 21:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

watching this now - so many plot elements lifted from neuromancer!

dayo, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 00:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

oh wait according to wiki it's the other way around

dayo, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 00:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

I WAS ABOUT TO SAY

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 00:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

gibson has acknowledged the film's influence iirc

jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 00:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

this thread title fucking infuriates me btw

jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 00:45 (4 years ago) Permalink

agreed. there is nothing stupid about this film that the film itself isn't aware of.

filthy dylan, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 00:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

the other thread only has like 5 posts :(

dayo, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 01:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

revolver with a scope + unlimited bullets has got to be one of the best movie weapons ever

dayo, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 01:45 (4 years ago) Permalink

you know what is surprisingly entertaining and competently written? the novelization of this movie.

jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

"this is the weakest of the Carpenter/Russell troika but it is still great."

otm

really enjoy the pieced-together open-endedness of this. fits the post apocalyptic crisis mood/premise far better than a tight, snappy plot.

Kurt slays in this and I do mean fuiud

deejerk reactions (darraghmac), Sunday, 18 October 2015 23:43 (6 months ago) Permalink

agreed

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 October 2015 01:53 (6 months ago) Permalink

Here is a thing that I meant to post last month & forgot

Not sure if it means anything but it's an interesting piece of esoterica

http://www.avclub.com/article/shot-shot-symmetry-escape-new-york-and-escape-l-225525

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 October 2015 01:54 (6 months ago) Permalink

I'm not sure I'd call it weak - that is, there's nothing I wish was better - but it's definitely the most classically b-movie of the Kurt/Carpenter bunch.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 October 2015 01:54 (6 months ago) Permalink

xpost Plausible that Escape from LA was done as a passive-aggressive cash grab. Doesnt make it any better though...and pity the fool
who pored over it for hours but, bravo
I guess? idk

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 October 2015 01:56 (6 months ago) Permalink

Ugh, I'm not sure I saw "Escape from LA" a second time after an advance preview I caught. Total bummer, and I'm not sure recycling some specific shots (and more than recycling the entire first film) counts as "symmetry" so much as laziness. All I really remember, though, is being distracted by the presence of the actress who used to be in "My So-Called Life."

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 October 2015 02:01 (6 months ago) Permalink

I love this. Tough to pick a russell role between snake/ macready/ jack burton, three amazing roles. Also showing amazing range.

nomar, Monday, 19 October 2015 02:17 (6 months ago) Permalink

I paid theater money to see Escape from LA, Vampires, and Spiders from Mars or whatever that nonsense was called

Hours of my life, gone

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 October 2015 02:22 (6 months ago) Permalink

ghosts of mars is spectaaaacularly bad. i mean like if carpenter hadn't done a BUNCH of schlock it would have to be a parody. highlight is when a character does a narrated flashback of all the scenes we just saw, to bring another character up to speed. "so then i went down the hallway..."

also when the one alien ghost is screaming on the hill like BAAGAAWUGGALAAAAAA, that was great. he sounds like Strong Mad.

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Monday, 19 October 2015 04:02 (6 months ago) Permalink

whereas, like, 'prince of darkness' is just ... boring.

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Monday, 19 October 2015 04:02 (6 months ago) Permalink

so boring

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 October 2015 04:56 (6 months ago) Permalink

Prince of Darkness is not boring! I'll watch that movie all day. Maybe it loses some steam in the overly-long opening sequence, maybe Jameson Parker has some offputting conversational gambits... Once they finally go to the church lock-in, it's great. Wish Dennis Dun had been in more movies.

Otoh, I saw that Vampires was on Amazon Prime streaming the other day and decided to give it a go. Made it 15 minutes in maybe? I just found myself second-guessing every single move any character made.

how's life, Monday, 19 October 2015 13:53 (6 months ago) Permalink

I love how boring Prince of Darkness is. I love that budget/or lack of narrative imagination determined that it's like the most apocalyptic scenario possible played out in the most modest of situations. Like, a handful of folks padding around an old church while the fate of the world teeters on the brink. Talk about the banality of evil.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 October 2015 14:16 (6 months ago) Permalink

Prince of Darkness is awesome, maybe my favorite Carpenter after The Thing.

Resting Bushface (Phil D.), Monday, 19 October 2015 14:18 (6 months ago) Permalink

Think I've watched this Escape from NY about 20x times (uk tip: catch repeats on itv4 often). Plot is hammy - sophistication isn't what I was expecting. That's fine.

Soundtrack is superb. Dean Stanton is the best of supporting cast; Pleasance follows close by. Disagree on Russell, I suppose you could mistake the lack of expression for a 'couldn't be bothered' but fits the Snake tough-street style. Only relative flaw is there wasn't enough of him and van Cleef. Would see a sequel where they were a team (as van Cleef was offering by the end). Instead we got Escape from LA.

Saw the last hour of this after coming back home last Fri - renewed my appreciation of the tape switch.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 19 October 2015 14:26 (6 months ago) Permalink

I remember being incredulous about Prince of Darkness until it got to the scene where Alice Cooper kills the nerd guy from Riptide with half a bicycle, then I realized it could do anything it wanted. it's like the pacing of the fight scene in They Live applied to an entire movie.

Milton Parker, Monday, 19 October 2015 17:40 (6 months ago) Permalink

Prince of Darkness isn't peak material but it's still v good and pretty batshit imo

Οὖτις, Monday, 19 October 2015 21:17 (6 months ago) Permalink

zzzzzz

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 October 2015 21:29 (6 months ago) Permalink

man between this thread title and the aliens one

playlists of pensive swift (difficult listening hour), Monday, 19 October 2015 21:30 (6 months ago) Permalink

i wish i could conjure back up the particular way i was annoyed and bored by prince of darkness, cause i'm remembering these bits and pieces that were good. it just felt like this ridiculously large cast all pacing around independently of each other. like we're still meeting new people an hour into the movie, and nobody seems really aware of anything else that's going on. there's this sense of non-urgency or disconnectedness, people having weird my-dinner-with-andre conversations about the anti-god equation off in a separate movie from the people trying to escape the green slime. it would feel dreamlike if it felt like it was on purpose, i guess.

and then there's like a twenty-four hour montage, sun setting, sun rising, as dennis dun (IIRC) slowly tries to break through a wall with a chair or a spoon or something, and in the last ten minutes he tries to get the people on the other side to actually help? the creepy computer was cool i guess.

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Monday, 19 October 2015 22:59 (6 months ago) Permalink

vampires is the carp nadir afaic. james woods is one of those guys who is exceptional in the right role and this wasn't one of them.

what I most remember abt that movie oddly is that is was one of gregory sierra's last screen roles before his apparent retirement. I love when old school dudes show up, but this was no 'deep cover' kinda role for him.

nomar, Monday, 19 October 2015 23:03 (6 months ago) Permalink

I saw that in the theater and man so baaaaaad. apart from the guy who gets sliced in half. that was funny.

Οὖτις, Monday, 19 October 2015 23:04 (6 months ago) Permalink


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