I don't think that Al was making any sort of value judgment!
― jaymc, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Serious question: does Laurel look like the Blue fucking Fairy?
― Bob Standard, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:12 (sixteen years ago) link
I used to really love Reese - she had quite a streak of quality material - but what has she done for me lately
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:12 (sixteen years ago) link
reese wins forever just for cruel intentions
― max, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:13 (sixteen years ago) link
But Reaganist? In what sense? Freeze frames in particular have some characteristic about them that makes them Reaganesque?
If they come at the end of a dumb and shallow 'feelgood' narrative, yes.
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:15 (sixteen years ago) link
You know, I think I could use you in a movie role Morbius. How are you at 'kookie'?
― humansuit, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:17 (sixteen years ago) link
I think Alfred goes over the Reagan-stuff pretty well upthread (idealization of suburbs and corresponding fear of urban-dwelling minorities/homeless, loads of mindless conspicuous consumption, etc etc)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link
Yes of course, but we're talking about freeze frames? I mean, we're not talking about the suburbs. We're talking about freeze frames. Not, not what actually goes on in the movie. We're talking about freeze frames.
― humansuit, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:20 (sixteen years ago) link
I prefer movies that end with Rodney Dangerfield and a Journey song and a big party
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:21 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost
Yes. If you don't understand how a smiley freezeframe that's sposed to send you out happy and stupid (while the presold soundtrack hit plays)is a characteristic of post-Star Wars shit, well...
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:22 (sixteen years ago) link
Throw in a few lines of coke, a chastised liberal, an Air Force pilot (secretly gay), and I will conced Reaganesque.
― humansuit, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:23 (sixteen years ago) link
a cute asshole who jerked everyone around, including the best friend he only half-heartedly cares about
THE WHOLE POINT OF THE MOVIE IS TO HELP THE BEST FRIEND BECOME HIMSELF AND THEREFORE TRULY HAPPY BY GETTING OUT FROM UNDER HIS PARENTS (AND EN PASSANT DESTROY A BIG YUPPIE DOUCHEBAG LUXURY ITEM) - THE EXTREMELY HOT GIRLFRIEND IS VESTIGIAL (YES, MORBS, IT'S VERY MISOGYNISTIC), THE LOVE STORY IS BETWEEN THE FRIENDS - DO YOU PEOPLE NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND THE PLOT?
happy and stupid
guys, everyone who is happy is stupid
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:36 (sixteen years ago) link
gabbneb the car is destroyed by accident, not by design or because of some anti-materialistic "free yourself of your posessions" logic
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:39 (sixteen years ago) link
At the same time I agree that you Reaganista types are severely projecting onto this film.
― humansuit, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:41 (sixteen years ago) link
no, shakey. the car was destroyed by god.
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:41 (sixteen years ago) link
also the kind of "help" Ferris actually gives his purported "best friend" is of a highly dubious nature
x-post
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:41 (sixteen years ago) link
Cameron = buttoned-down straightman Ferris = kooky girlfriend
― nabisco, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:42 (sixteen years ago) link
sure that sounds legitimate
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:44 (sixteen years ago) link
This is very close to a line from Gregory's Girl.
Anyway, it's kinda funny that this thread is a faceoff between '80s teens and '00s man-boys.
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:46 (sixteen years ago) link
THE WHOLE POINT OF THE MOVIE IS TO HELP THE BEST FRIEND BECOME HIMSELF AND THEREFORE TRULY HAPPY BY GETTING OUT FROM UNDER HIS PARENTS (AND EN PASSANT DESTROY A BIG YUPPIE DOUCHEBAG LUXURY ITEM) -
Noted, but I mentioned Ferris' astounding indifference to his plight. This may be the performance's problem too. I mean, Broderick is just not convincing offering to take the blame for car going out the window.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:46 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah it's pretty clear that Cameron is going to be severely beaten by his father, or perhaps killed. Ferris is all like Bluto in Animal House: "Hey, you fucked up, you trusted me."
Also, thanks to everyone on this thread who reminded me why I stopped participating in film threads!
― Dimension 5ive, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:53 (sixteen years ago) link
P.S. I can't believe I can't remember this clearly, and do not really want to get involved in this Reagan-era debate, but is the car's going out the window really an "accident?" Isn't it a half-accident that occurs as Cameron is, like, going off on the car? Doesn't he kick it off the jack it's balanced on?
― nabisco, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:55 (sixteen years ago) link
the car's going out the window was entirely out of the filmmakers' hands
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:57 (sixteen years ago) link
it was Reagan's fault.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:57 (sixteen years ago) link
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:1bjSZve1hJR3_M:http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/north/north.jpg I cannot recall
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:58 (sixteen years ago) link
never woulda happened if Deaver had still been around
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:58 (sixteen years ago) link
little-known fact - "Sloane" was originally named "Fawn"
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:59 (sixteen years ago) link
xxxpost gabbneb the car is destroyed by accident, not by design or because of some anti-materialistic "free yourself of your posessions" logic
Err, wasn't Cameron kicking the shit out of the car for about 5 minutes before it crashed off its jacks.
― Billy Dods, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 21:01 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah it's pretty clear that Cameron is going to be severely beaten by his father, or perhaps killed.
I smell sequel!
― kenan, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 21:01 (sixteen years ago) link
harmlessly punching car /= destruction of car
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 21:02 (sixteen years ago) link
its pretty clear they didn't intend to destroy the car, I can't believe this is even debatable
CAN WE RETURN TO DISCUSSING HOT PAUL RUDD K THNKX
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 21:03 (sixteen years ago) link
yes, cameron dies, but at least ferris loves him
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 21:03 (sixteen years ago) link
I smell sequel! You're not the only one.
― Billy Dods, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 21:07 (sixteen years ago) link
(No seriously, I'm not sure I get how anyone's arguing Gabbneb on this one -- the car's destruction is pretty clearly presented as some kind of grand rebellion that will ultimately free Cameron from parental authority, like now he's done his worst and can breathe easy and live free of fear.)
(I remember being like 9 years old and the big sleepover commentary on this movie was that when Cameron is staring into the painting at the Art Institute it's because he's seeing the car in those red lips -- look, do you see, how it's the car? -- because evidently 9 is not old enough to understand why Cameron would just be staring longingly at lips alone.)
― nabisco, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 21:09 (sixteen years ago) link
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
http://www.howdesign.com/blog/content/binary/Paul_Rudd.jpg
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 21:16 (sixteen years ago) link
huh I was unaware that Hughes was "reclusive" and hadn't made a movie since '92...?
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 21:19 (sixteen years ago) link
what a tortured genius.
― kenan, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 21:19 (sixteen years ago) link
an Arizona-based screenwriter named Rick Rapier
― G00blar, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 21:20 (sixteen years ago) link
i just realized: no one has said two words about weird science on this thread
― kenan, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 21:21 (sixteen years ago) link
Talk about vestigial women!
― nabisco, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 21:22 (sixteen years ago) link
comment from that link: John Hughes also wrote the story that is the basis of the upcoming Apatow production Drillbit Taylor.
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 21:22 (sixteen years ago) link
we're through the looking glass here people
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 21:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Weird Science is a horrible mess of a movie
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 21:24 (sixteen years ago) link
"Vestigial" is not the word I'd choose to describe Kelly LeBrock.
― Bob Standard, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 21:24 (sixteen years ago) link
Ferris Bueller 2: Local Hero
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 21:25 (sixteen years ago) link
Ferris Bueller 2: Longtime Companion
Brokeback Bueller
― milo z, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 21:25 (sixteen years ago) link
lol
guys guys guys Bueller has already totally gay-ed it up as Harvey Feierstein
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 21:29 (sixteen years ago) link