PEDs, steroids, etc 2012

PEDs 2012: Juice Em Up and Let Em Rip

guess shasta really is gone

so if braun has a bad year the test was right. and if he has a good one he is still taking PEDs.

i haven't seen this before, found this as a comment on a Giants board so it could be common knowledge or.

The big rumor is that Braun was taking a medication to treat genital herpes, that in some form it interfered with the test. It was the cause of his treatment that caused the less than forthcoming responses about specific facts from Braun and others. Who knows the truth, but that’s the rumor.

wait, what happened to Shasta?

pujols had shasta killed when he got out to california. he is buried with the only real copy of albert's birth certificate. rip.

great, a herpes rumor just when I was going to poke my nose into Braun's taint

If a major company wants to throw their case, I'm sure any "independent arbiter" would let them.

That herpes rumor has been around for months over here in Brewerland, but there are now other rumors that the sample tested negative for STDs. Rumors are rumors, as transient as a summer breeze.

Also, tantalizingly, from player rep Chris Narveson: "Put it this way: This isn’t the first time we’ve had issues with the people [in charge of testing] in Milwaukee. There have been other issues with timing."

"but there are now other rumors that the sample tested negative for STDs"

I don't think most STD tests are urine-based.

I'm curious is there actually a public ruling that can be read? Or is this just leaks from MLB and Braun's side?

i would rather people think i was hitting questionable poon than a cheater.

but that's just me.

and possibly Braun i guess.

"There have been other issues with timing."

Word to Artie Fufkin.

"Kick my ass. As a man, I'm asking you to kick my ass." --Anonymous dude who collects MLB players pee in his Edgar Allan Poe-styled basement

yeah when i saw this the first thing i thought of was some random guy hanging out with ryan braun's pee sample for the day

Having fun with Braun's pee sample
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/HathBrad/INTERNET%20DOWNLOADS/ANIMATED%20GIFS/555587017.gif

does anyone else think maybe that switched up Nyjer Morgan's sample with BRAUNDOs?

dick pound thinks so

i did hear ny talk radio for .5 seconds today and heard "clean cut" ryan braun so

they were talking about his circumcision

lol otm

I think this covers the issue better than anything else I read.

http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/page/munson-120224/ryan-braun-ruling-raises-embarrassing-questions-mlb-drug-testing

MLB really looks foolish at this point.

Apparently the full decision will be available to read in a month.

MLB really looks foolish at this point.

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, February 25, 2012 8:45 AM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they really do! and instead of sucking it up and vowing to improve the testing process they're acting like a bunch of babies about it.

smh at Tim Brown:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AteiDO0Zi2jrpCeMpGSLFnU5nYcB?slug=ti-brown_ryan_braun_drug_suspension_innocent_022412

Yeah, there's definitely a pattern of people who know EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED on both sides...but mostly on the "he cheated" side. (NB: I'm obv a Brewers fan so yes I have a dog in this fight.)

Okay anyone read Will Carroll's piece about the science of this, apparently available on Amazon.com for 99 cents? Based on write-ups like this it kind of sounds important.

huh. that's some interesting stuff.

the sportswriters are treating the situation almost like they did Jeremy Mayfield, despite both situations being extremely different (ie, Mayfield was batshit crazy and reports of his drug use were rampant from many sources).

thanks for the article post....forwarding to a Brewers fan friend of mine who is livid about how the media is treating this.

The guy who put the sample in his fridge speaks:

http://www.jsonline.com/business/here-is-laurenzis-statement-c74c8qo-140750013.html

To be fair I can't really imagine what incentive this guy would have to tamper with the samples, but that's not really the point of Braun's appeal.

Braun should just move on now. The burden of proof isn't on him, he doesn't need to offer theories as to why the sample was a false positive as some sportswriters stupidly suggested.

Why would a sample just randomly develop more synthetic testosterone because it wasn't handled properly? Wasn't there a report that his test was among the highest in testosterone levels ever recorded? And that is something that can just happen if a urine sample sits in tupperware for awhile? That sounds pretty specious to me. Does the premium Amazon article explain the science behind this claim at all?

I mean, obviously chain of custody is important and this case will do a great job of making sure that MLB takes it more seriously in the future, but I think it's fair to wonder about Braun's culpability.

xp Since Will Carroll is not a scientist I doubt he would be able to explain it to even a layperson's satisfaction.

Braun's best scenario is just to be a wrestling heel, smile evilly and hit home runs and celebrate a lot and not give a fuck what anyone thinks. The overly 'umble Giambi approach (along with corresponding skill level falloff) doesn't work at all.

the pettitte approach worked fine, but braun may lack the appropriate religious credentials

Braun should just deliberately hit screaming foul balls at the fans during road games

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/25/pedro-gomez-embodies-the-intellectual-dishonesty-of-the-anti-peds-bloc-of-the-hall-of-fame-electorate/

Not exactly about steroids, but an interesting read:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/27/sports/baseball/the-former-met-bob-ojeda-relives-both-glory-and-pain.html?pagewanted=all

That was mighty fascinating. Shows how little of what's going on with pain, injury and "maintenance" reaches us.

Ojeda says he pre-emptively doubled his drug dose at one point, right? I'd say it's relevant.

also: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/magazine/05/29/baseball.steroids/index.html

the new "Braun Rules":

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/6/7/3070914/mlb-mlbpa-drug-policy-changes

http://deadspin.com/5919350/roger-clemens-found-not-guilty

yall gots ta feel me

God bless our government and their efficient prosecutions of medicating athletes!

if the BBWAA ever has the wisdom to induct Bonds and Clemens in the same year, I'd like to go to Cooperstown and cheerlead in a FUCK THE FEDS jersey.

hits a lot of homers for an old guy, is a boston red sock, has been a boston red sock through all of their annoying incarnations, will probably end up in the hall of fame without really deserving it, is kind of a dick now, never gotten the impression that he's well-liked outside of boston maybe except for ~2004

>price/ortiz stuff at all

no idea. i really don't read much baseball outside of scores/stats!

It's better that way

i think it mostly just comes down to people suspecting he's on roids

Ortiz was supposedly one of the hundred or so players who tested positive in '03, before there were any penalties for taking PED's. So it wouldn't be Ortiz's first time getting caught (allegedly).

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2014/08/05/biogenesis-tony-bosch-more-mlb-names-could-be-leaked/13641293/

"Are drugs ever going to be out of the game? No," Kirk Radomski, the former New York Mets clubhouse attendant who was convicted for distributing steroids in 2007 to baseball players, told USA TODAY Sports.

"I still get guys calling me, asking me how to get to that next level. There are a lot of guys out there beating the system.

"There probably are going to be a bunch of guys who are worried now that the feds are involved."

Dan Connolly ‏@danconnollysun 4m
Waiting on official word but hearing Chris Davis has tested pos for amphetamines. 25 game suspension

now official

The 25 games shall include all regular season games and Postseason games in which the player would have been eligible to play.

and so close to the mendoza line too

wonder when the failed test was, like if it was announced a week ago he'd be back by postseason

Assuming he's telling the truth, why wouldn't Davis request an exemption for using Adderall, especially if he's had exemptions in the past? Or maybe that's the whole point (nobody could possibly be so stupid, that is) and he's lying?

yeah, kind of weird. anyway, whatever -- everyone pop some greenies

@DBWilson2
Buck on whether it's fair to judge Davis' 2013, and really just on life. "What is fair?"

buck makes u think

Rodriguez also described how Bosch gave the ballplayer “tips on how to beat MLB’s drug testing,” according to the DEA report.

The secret? According to Rodriguez, “Bosch advised him to only use mid-stream urine for MLB drug testing. Bosch told Rodriguez not to use the beginning or the end urine stream.”

It worked. A test he took while using the drugs came up negative.

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/mlb/article3578762.html

This may have some effect:

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/12289319/commissioner-rob-manfred-says-hall-fame-voters-surmise-ped-use

potentially fit for this thread or is it teh crack again?
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-josh-hamilton-20150224-story.html

Id be happy if it was PEDs and not crack

yeah same

@Ken_Rosenthal 43s43 seconds ago
Asked a baseball executive if Hamilton’s discipline was for PEDs. His response: “Worse.” The executive declined to elaborate.

was about to post that. hamilton did 9/11. see u in guantanamo josh

PEDs are worse than cocaine

wait what no what am I sayin I'm drunk

More:

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/25081902/angels-josh-hamilton-admits-to-relapse-involving-cocaine

Damn. How did MLB find out about it if he didn't fail a drug test?

Apparently he told them...

the drug of abuse suspension policy of mlb sort of rubs me the wrong way.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/marijuana-and-the-joint-drug-agreement/

this is some Kenny powers shit

As others have noted, the stark differences between the MLB and minor league rules for marijuana use raise the possibility that some minor leaguers could try to openly use marijuana in order to force their teams to promote them to the 40-man roster. While this strategy may not work for ordinary minor leaguers, for top prospects it is not inconceivable that a team would choose to promote a player to the 40-man roster to ensure that the player would only be fined, not suspended, for his marijuana use. Otherwise, the team could see any marijuana-using top prospect sidelined for 50 or more games for a violation of the minor league drug rules.

ervin santana, 80-game suspension