rolling "Is This Racist?" thread

if you're contenderizer and you just started a big thread about how you feel pained about how ppl perceive you on ilx, and then this comes up, and you suggest that maybe it isn't racist, and then ppl say, no it is, what are you hoping to get out of persisting? like, why does a contenderizer care enough about whether this off-color remark about a basketball player for the NY Knicks is racist or not to persist arguing about it?

dude, i'm just talking in a thread. i've been subtly and directly accused of racism by several people here, it sort of makes sense for me to at least try and clarify where i'm coming from, imo.

in ironic light of that, i'm truly sorry that i accused you of racism, dayo. thought i wasn't really serious, it was a thoughtless and fucked-up way to make my point (that it's perhaps a little weird to automatically assume that a reference to an asian person's eyes must be a racist invocation of supposed difference).

trust me dude, your point is not so subtle that you need to clarify where you're coming from.

so you think your point is still valid, then?

well, yes and no. i do think that it's worthwhile to at least consider intent, to the limited extent that we can ever know it. nevertheless, i was wrong to minimize the offense, to say that it wasn't racism. i was underestimating the power and pervasiveness of the stereotype.

the power and pervasiveness of racism, not to put too fine a point on it

your point is not so subtle that you need to clarify where you're coming from.

yeah, i know. still, you have to kind of expect people to defend themselves when challenged.

What if he's expressing his racist thoughts but doesn't know it/is unaware of them? Are we supposed to tolerate that?

What I mean is: just because you're not consciously aware of being a racist doesn't mean you're not a racist. Re, the news person

Also lin's not that hot idk

well he sure did turn the ball over a lot tonight
so i no longer like any asians ever

condz this isn't me coming at you this is me saying "if a person of color says he is offended by a remark it is not really your place to roll in and say 'no no your feelings are invalid'"

"that punch in the face hurt like hell"

"but he didn't mean to hit you"

"that does not make my face not hurt"

We have not and will not flag your post and you're free to take your opinions elsewhere. I'd rather not call the mods, but if you insist on continuing to disturb our posters I will. Please leave.

wtf, that's just obnoxious from the other end. no one needs to be threatened by self-appointed ilx posse spokespeople. plz don't speak for me, ok?

Stand down mordy, i's a HOOS in-joke

standing down

it's funny, now that you mention it, i get the in-joke, but it seemed painfully sincere when i first read it

board politics; tearing ILX apart

I just like that forks can call off Mordy.

condz this isn't me coming at you this is me saying "if a person of color says he is offended by a remark it is not really your place to roll in and say 'no no your feelings are invalid'

well, that brings up the interesting invisibility of race in a virtual environment. there are lots of regular ILX posters about whom i know very little. you have to spend a fair amount of time here and pay close attention to sometimes subtle cues to begin to be able to accurately sort people by things like race and gender. i initially responded to dayo without considering that, which, in retrospect, was thoughtless of me.

Subtle cues like the WDYLL thread?

some people never look at those threads (although we pick up other cues from people's posts)

fwiw, not everyone participates in those though

that brings up the interesting invisibility of race in a virtual environment.

It isn't "invisibility", it's "normalization".

Right. Like, would it have been OK if you were certain it was "just us white guys" talking?

everyone on the internet is the same race, and that race is 'asshole'

i feel like its usually better to err on the side of not telling people that their feelings are wrong, generally

also its good practice not to say things that can reformulated as "isnt it you who is the real racist"

Right. Like, would it have been OK if you were certain it was "just us white guys" talking?

lol I thought frogbs was banned

ideally you wouldn't tell people that what they're telling people is wrong. but since that's not the case, I can say this!

so wait, is telling people that telling people that they are telling people that what they feeling is wrong, wrong? I'm trying to make a chart

well there are exceptions, for example if you feel that dayo is the real racist, your feeling is wrong

except when he was repping hard for ghettohikes

didn't we already have a huge discussion about how things can be racist even if the person doing those things is not Hitler

does contenderizer even think hitler is racist tho

I'm glad that you're capable of forgiving and forgetting, some dude

hate the crime, love the war criminal

haha i totally forgot about you defending ghettohikes until you brought it up itt!

that was buzza! in any case if it wasn't clear before, I'm really sorry for attempting to defend ghettohikes and I'm sorry!

^^ worse than hitler imo

this thread, summarized:

http://www.iqcontent.com/blog/files/wp/2009/05/infinity.jpg

Heritage, Not Hikes

no j/k if Hitler had posted the thread of real chinese food I'd forgive him too self-xps

newsreader thing seems like a guy saying a sports phrase, but saying that i really don't think dyao is a racist for believing otherwise and hope the court rules against contenderizer here, who is also prob not racist but sure likes to argue about this stuff

ghettohitler would get so many followers

dmac were not talking about the espn anchor, we're talking about the wnyw guy

americans all look the same to me

DJP otm about normalization; also my guess would be that posters of color on ilx are hyperaware of the races of other posters, just like in the world. i know i make a mental note about it. this is not to blame white posters for anything; it's just to say. WDYLL thread is not the source for my mental database about this stuff fwiw.

for ages i assumed deems was wite but it turns out he is white

I can't even tell who's male or female, much less what continent from the past 1000 years their ancestors originated from.

okay tbf i am also likely creepier than the avg ilx poster