rolling "Is This Racist?" thread

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File under "yes, this is really fucking racist and sexist":

Dave Mustaine to African women: "Put a plug in it."

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 23 February 2012 21:29 (twelve years ago) link

am i too late to get in on the southern maryland talk w/ zach and beachville?

some dude, Thursday, 23 February 2012 21:32 (twelve years ago) link

if we limit discussion to american history x we can cover both racism and edward norton

if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Thursday, 23 February 2012 22:08 (twelve years ago) link

asian americans have said, loudly and unambiguously, that it was a racist remark. I don't understand where there's room for your interpretation or why you keep on pressing the point?

― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:15 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

people have a right to take offense at whatever they want, and in this case they have every reason to do so. i don't dispute that. all i've been talking about is intent. i don't see any clear evidence of racist intent on the guy's part (as opposed to taco mayor, who clearly intended the slur). that doesn't necessarily excuse the news dork or deny anybody the right to consider his remark racist regardless of intent.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 24 February 2012 03:37 (twelve years ago) link

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flagp∞st (dayo), Friday, 24 February 2012 03:45 (twelve years ago) link

so everybody's required to be a mindreader now? or people have to hold up giant signs that say "I AM INTENDING TO BE RACIST?" what is this magical 'intent test' that must be satisfied? why the fuck am I even arguing with you on this absurd point?

flagp∞st (dayo), Friday, 24 February 2012 03:46 (twelve years ago) link

also weird when you're like ISN'T IT MORE RACIST TO THINK THAT THIS RACIST THING IS RACIST

max, Friday, 24 February 2012 04:04 (twelve years ago) link

well tbf it's equally as racist, just reversed

ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Friday, 24 February 2012 04:06 (twelve years ago) link

racist manslaughter vs racist homicide

pplains, Friday, 24 February 2012 04:06 (twelve years ago) link

I think we've already established that I'm the racist here, which contenderizer helpfully pointed out

flagp∞st (dayo), Friday, 24 February 2012 04:10 (twelve years ago) link

lol u did like ghettohikes

buzza, Friday, 24 February 2012 04:11 (twelve years ago) link

ok, here's what i don't understand: if you're contenderizer and you just started a big thread about how you feel pained about how ppl perceive you on ilx, and then this comes up, and you suggest that maybe it isn't racist, and then ppl say, no it is, what are you hoping to get out of persisting? like, why does a contenderizer care enough about whether this off-color remark about a basketball player for the NY Knicks is racist or not to persist arguing about it?

Mordy, Friday, 24 February 2012 04:12 (twelve years ago) link

xp yeah and I feel shitty about it and have felt shitty about it ever since. I apologize for ever liking ghettohikes!

flagp∞st (dayo), Friday, 24 February 2012 04:13 (twelve years ago) link

I'm 28. I have a full time job leading urban kids to watch Jeremy Lin play hoops. I simply write down shit they say.

buzza, Friday, 24 February 2012 04:14 (twelve years ago) link

so everybody's required to be a mindreader now? or people have to hold up giant signs that say "I AM INTENDING TO BE RACIST?" what is this magical 'intent test' that must be satisfied? why the fuck am I even arguing with you on this absurd point?

― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:46 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark

gah, this wasn't even my thing! i didn't bring the argument in question into the thread. other people were already talking about the dude's intent. seeing that, said that i don't think the guy intended a slur. i wasn't trying to make a big deal out of it or anything.

at this point, you, dayo, decided to take me to task, saying that i was denying people's right to take offense. i responded to that, and you've been bashing me hard ever since.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 24 February 2012 04:28 (twelve years ago) link

if you're contenderizer and you just started a big thread about how you feel pained about how ppl perceive you on ilx, and then this comes up, and you suggest that maybe it isn't racist, and then ppl say, no it is, what are you hoping to get out of persisting? like, why does a contenderizer care enough about whether this off-color remark about a basketball player for the NY Knicks is racist or not to persist arguing about it?

dude, i'm just talking in a thread. i've been subtly and directly accused of racism by several people here, it sort of makes sense for me to at least try and clarify where i'm coming from, imo.

in ironic light of that, i'm truly sorry that i accused you of racism, dayo. thought i wasn't really serious, it was a thoughtless and fucked-up way to make my point (that it's perhaps a little weird to automatically assume that a reference to an asian person's eyes must be a racist invocation of supposed difference).

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 24 February 2012 04:34 (twelve years ago) link

trust me dude, your point is not so subtle that you need to clarify where you're coming from.

Mordy, Friday, 24 February 2012 04:38 (twelve years ago) link

so you think your point is still valid, then?

flagp∞st (dayo), Friday, 24 February 2012 04:39 (twelve years ago) link

well, yes and no. i do think that it's worthwhile to at least consider intent, to the limited extent that we can ever know it. nevertheless, i was wrong to minimize the offense, to say that it wasn't racism. i was underestimating the power and pervasiveness of the stereotype.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 24 February 2012 05:21 (twelve years ago) link

the power and pervasiveness of racism, not to put too fine a point on it

your point is not so subtle that you need to clarify where you're coming from.

yeah, i know. still, you have to kind of expect people to defend themselves when challenged.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 24 February 2012 05:23 (twelve years ago) link

What if he's expressing his racist thoughts but doesn't know it/is unaware of them? Are we supposed to tolerate that?

lost dion/tomita collab (blank), Friday, 24 February 2012 05:26 (twelve years ago) link

What I mean is: just because you're not consciously aware of being a racist doesn't mean you're not a racist. Re, the news person

lost dion/tomita collab (blank), Friday, 24 February 2012 05:31 (twelve years ago) link

Also lin's not that hot idk

lost dion/tomita collab (blank), Friday, 24 February 2012 05:32 (twelve years ago) link

well he sure did turn the ball over a lot tonight
so i no longer like any asians ever

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Friday, 24 February 2012 05:53 (twelve years ago) link

condz this isn't me coming at you this is me saying "if a person of color says he is offended by a remark it is not really your place to roll in and say 'no no your feelings are invalid'"

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 24 February 2012 06:42 (twelve years ago) link

"that punch in the face hurt like hell"

"but he didn't mean to hit you"

"that does not make my face not hurt"

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 24 February 2012 06:48 (twelve years ago) link

We have not and will not flag your post and you're free to take your opinions elsewhere. I'd rather not call the mods, but if you insist on continuing to disturb our posters I will. Please leave.

buzza, Friday, 24 February 2012 06:48 (twelve years ago) link

wtf, that's just obnoxious from the other end. no one needs to be threatened by self-appointed ilx posse spokespeople. plz don't speak for me, ok?

Mordy, Friday, 24 February 2012 13:57 (twelve years ago) link

Stand down mordy, i's a HOOS in-joke

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Friday, 24 February 2012 14:19 (twelve years ago) link

standing down

Mordy, Friday, 24 February 2012 14:24 (twelve years ago) link

it's funny, now that you mention it, i get the in-joke, but it seemed painfully sincere when i first read it

Mordy, Friday, 24 February 2012 14:25 (twelve years ago) link

board politics; tearing ILX apart

Nhex, Friday, 24 February 2012 14:50 (twelve years ago) link

I just like that forks can call off Mordy.

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:14 (twelve years ago) link

condz this isn't me coming at you this is me saying "if a person of color says he is offended by a remark it is not really your place to roll in and say 'no no your feelings are invalid'

well, that brings up the interesting invisibility of race in a virtual environment. there are lots of regular ILX posters about whom i know very little. you have to spend a fair amount of time here and pay close attention to sometimes subtle cues to begin to be able to accurately sort people by things like race and gender. i initially responded to dayo without considering that, which, in retrospect, was thoughtless of me.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:25 (twelve years ago) link

Subtle cues like the WDYLL thread?

drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:34 (twelve years ago) link

some people never look at those threads (although we pick up other cues from people's posts)

DNRIYHM NATION 1814 (some dude), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:35 (twelve years ago) link

fwiw, not everyone participates in those though

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:35 (twelve years ago) link

that brings up the interesting invisibility of race in a virtual environment.

It isn't "invisibility", it's "normalization".

robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:37 (twelve years ago) link

Right. Like, would it have been OK if you were certain it was "just us white guys" talking?

A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:38 (twelve years ago) link

everyone on the internet is the same race, and that race is 'asshole'

iatee, Friday, 24 February 2012 15:38 (twelve years ago) link

i feel like its usually better to err on the side of not telling people that their feelings are wrong, generally

max, Friday, 24 February 2012 15:38 (twelve years ago) link

also its good practice not to say things that can reformulated as "isnt it you who is the real racist"

max, Friday, 24 February 2012 15:39 (twelve years ago) link

Right. Like, would it have been OK if you were certain it was "just us white guys" talking?

lol I thought frogbs was banned

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago) link

ideally you wouldn't tell people that what they're telling people is wrong. but since that's not the case, I can say this!

DNRIYHM NATION 1814 (some dude), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago) link

so wait, is telling people that telling people that they are telling people that what they feeling is wrong, wrong? I'm trying to make a chart

robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:42 (twelve years ago) link

well there are exceptions, for example if you feel that dayo is the real racist, your feeling is wrong

max, Friday, 24 February 2012 15:44 (twelve years ago) link

except when he was repping hard for ghettohikes

DNRIYHM NATION 1814 (some dude), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:45 (twelve years ago) link

didn't we already have a huge discussion about how things can be racist even if the person doing those things is not Hitler

Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link

does contenderizer even think hitler is racist tho

iatee, Friday, 24 February 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link

I'm glad that you're capable of forgiving and forgetting, some dude

flagp∞st (dayo), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:47 (twelve years ago) link


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