― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:17 (seventeen years ago) link
*ears prick up*
― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link
I think the most interesting stuff I've read on Paris has been David Moore's posts on his blog, talking about the assumptions pro AND anti PH critics have been making about how the music must have been made and written.
― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link
I have a problem with people who buy their fame.
I have a problem with people with no (or very questionable) talent, but who make claims that they "deserve" fame or respect for what they do. She hasn't earned anything.
If she wasn't such a nasty, spoiled little twit (the vowel of choice for that word is actually an 'a') I wouldn't really have any opinion of her. Unfortunately her media-whoring mouth has made that impossible. Sorry if she rubs me the wrong way dude.
Lex, it is highly clear to the majority of the population that if Paris does have some good sounds on it that Hilton had virtually nothing to do with it. I mean for cryin' out loud, she couldn't even get through a lip-synching event! You're completely entitled to have your opinion, as am I. You might win the popularity contest on this thread, but you know you have a steep climb against the rest of the population.
― shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link
Shorty largely OTM there though the artist "virtually having nothing to do with it" doesn't as a rule bother me that much. With Paris, though, I'm happy to make an exception.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link
what it does suggest is that the whole 'people not taking her seriously as pop star' thing hasn't been so damaging and it's just that the album is deemed average on it's own terms.
― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― braveclub (braveclub), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― braveclub (braveclub), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― braveclub (braveclub), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link
Thatcherism was bad enough first time around. We don't want it back, thank you very much.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― braveclub (braveclub), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link
i don't care if she wrote all the songs or none.
i don't even care if it isn't her voice at all.
it'd still be underwhelming.
― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link
Definitely can see your point there ben.
― shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― pscott (elwisty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link
i work for the feeling's record company?
― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:51 (seventeen years ago) link
Just as I know the sun will come up tomorrow, I know that Hilton would not have released an album at this juncture in her life if her pockets didn't reach down to hell.
so? I mean, seriously, so what? what earthly bearing could this have on whether the music is good?
i like the fergie album, it's...odd in that it's properly good rather than obnoxiously good!
― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― braveclub (braveclub), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link
this is an argument which recurs all the time, and not just about paris, but about virtually every sleb ever - that you must 'earn' or 'deserve' your fame. wtf? this is mentalism. it assumes a) that fame is something so beyond-mere-mortals wonderful and brilliant that only special people are permitted to have it, and b) that fame and celebrity status are intrinsically rational in the first place! both these assumptions are nonsense & a far more pernicious manifestation of ‘celebrity culture’ than any amount of daddy’s girls who just wanna have fun.
― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― pscott (elwisty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link
this is an argument which recurs all the time, and not just about paris, but about virtually every sleb ever - that you must 'earn' or 'deserve' your fame. wtf? this is mentalism. it assumes a) that fame is something so beyond-mere-mortals wonderful and brilliant that onlhat fame is something so beyond-mere-mortals wonderful and brilliant that only special people are permitted to have it.
With all due respect Lex, I think your logic is quite flawed here. Hilton is the one who feels she is beyond mere mortals ("I'm way more famous than any of these people. If anyone deserves a star it's me!") and doesn't have to tow the same line as most other people who have actually proven their talent, live or recorded.
― shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:11 (seventeen years ago) link
Fair enough?
― shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:12 (seventeen years ago) link
Paris said:If anyone deserves a star on the Walk of Fame I do
'nuff said for me. Unfortunately there is much more if you insist that I search for it.
― shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link
"I'm always playing a character," she says. "I don't talk like this really -- like a baby. I don't act like myself in public, because I don't really want to show everyone the real me. Because I have no privacy whatsoever, the only thing I have is who I really am."
of course i had a positive prejudice towards the paris album! and i was proved right.
― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:17 (seventeen years ago) link