What are people's favourite dancehall rhythms of the year or so...

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Try Busy Tone, it's a little less violently upbeat, more dancehall-y. Luta's "Land of My Birth" is real good.

― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Friday, 12 March 2004 22:35 (twenty years ago) link

(ww = sean g? if so where's a good spot to cop soca, i know of an okay place in shepherds bush but otherwise...)

― prima fassy (mwah), Friday, 12 March 2004 22:49 (twenty years ago) link

clarity: abstract ego vs limp-id haw haw

― prima fassy (mwah), Friday, 12 March 2004 22:52 (twenty years ago) link

jess: red alert and senseless are available on slsk, so is drama but not the one with mad cobra on vocals.

I really wanna buy some of this stuff now so I'm prob gonna start rec shopping, just have to make the time.

thanks to ww.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 12 March 2004 23:42 (twenty years ago) link

"ah but who indeed can say if they really were recommendations, maybe i ws picking random tunes to be abstract writerly about"

Prima I hope you didn't take my comment on yer blog to heart!

+ I thought WW=DK.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 14 March 2004 12:45 (twenty years ago) link

i've been downloading a bit of dancehall, esp lady saw. my fave tune of her - though i don't know when it was released - "is strange feelin"

― jesus nathalie (nathalie), Sunday, 14 March 2004 13:59 (twenty years ago) link

right, i'm not sean g and don't know where to buy soca records in london.

― William Wiggins, Sunday, 14 March 2004 18:49 (twenty years ago) link

oh. but... the email addy?? ok whatev

― prima fassy (mwah), Monday, 15 March 2004 14:07 (twenty years ago) link

still digging the Cure riddim with Ce'Cile DJing. pretty good piece on dancehall in Salon this weekend

― ken taylrr, Monday, 15 March 2004 20:09 (twenty years ago) link

*in own wor;d and ignoring rest of thread*
hurrah, found a copy at last. It's magnificent, natch.

― Jeff W (zebedee), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 12:15 (twenty years ago) link

in own *world*, I meant to type...

― zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 12:18 (twenty years ago) link

oh if u like cure riddim, do also try hormone riddim sometime

cecile cux tho

― prima fassy (mwah), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 12:52 (twenty years ago) link

cux or sux?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 13:11 (twenty years ago) link

cigh.

― prima_fassy (mwah), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 13:16 (twenty years ago) link

prima cecile is good! d00d!!!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 13:21 (twenty years ago) link

ahh fool that i am for glossing over vybz 'send on'! this mustve been the last good tune vybz did... it just aches. like it's this boasy pastorale to weed but vybz is too smart to not know better, just the intro i mean he does this dialogue to himself of all his sly catchphrases etc and you wonder cos he goes on just too long just slightly monotonous. but then it dawns on him, drips down his back and freezes halfway: "i told them i never went to high school (why you do that?) but i went to school high (ok) [deep pause] time...less. [far away now, weak] (you know...)" [BEAT DROPS LIKE IT WALKS IN ON HIM] now u might not know vybz always says "timeless", the cocky fuck, but the way it comes out here is ohhhh! SEND SEND SEND SEND ON, SEND ON AND NEVER HANG ON show me a better song of addiction i dare cos u there isn't one

― prima fassy (mwah), Sunday, 21 March 2004 02:30 (twenty years ago) link

except he's still dropping peerless zingers like "lenky get higher than the martians on mars/ milky way galaxy stars /that's why you only get 8 bars"

― prima fassy (mwah), Sunday, 21 March 2004 02:42 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah I love that tune to death - so emotional!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 21 March 2004 12:31 (twenty years ago) link

sen on is a great track - and it is "sen on", not "send". the original 7 was misprinted, as very often happens. still, it makes sense either way. i also really like tanya stephens on that rhythm - can't remember exactly what the track's called - ready fi me, or something similar?
loving the french vanilla right now, too. greensleeves will be putting the album out and it looks like it'll be pretty strong but for now i only have tanya, ward 21 and alozade.
anyway, i only dropped in here to refer to something cybele (one of the few people here who has anything useful to say about this music) said on this thread and am leaving again.
however i have to add, fassy, that i'm not even using these boards any more and will have no impact on your life whatsoever (unless you buy any of the newspapers i write for), so would you please keep your sarcastic, effete, unpleasant and, i'll say it again, creepy comments about me to yourself.
i don't know what the hell your obsession with me is, but get over it. for the record, i don't have much of one with you. in fact, when you're not right under my nose, i really couldn't care less about you - get it?
*sigh* i just wish this worked the other way round.
anyway, you're still not man enough to say anything to my face, so just shut it, okay?
if you do suddenly find a spine, you can mail me at the address below and we can sort this out. i don't like antipathy and confrontation, even with people i have no respect for. it's a waste of my time, so i'd rather resolve whatever the issue is. again, i don't have one with you if you just pack this shit in.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 22 March 2004 13:04 (twenty years ago) link

For the first time in a while I listened to a good long stretch of Bobby/Jabba/MassiveB on H97 last night. Was anyone listening?

I heard some interesting tracks:

Vybz K riding the updated "I'm Still In Love" riddim.
I think it was Elephant Man on a remix of the Usher track "yeah" (speeded up about 4-5 bpms).
And also a remix of YingYang's "salt shaker", but I couldn't recognize the dj's.

Anyone seen these tracks released anywhere? I was wondering if the reggae scene is becoming more like hip hop with white label "exclusives" (dubplates not withstanding) circulating among dj's, and offered in limited quantitys at certain record stores.

I know the remix for "get low" was official and all, but was just wondering about the others. Who knows, maybe they were just mixing acappella versions over the instrumentals?

― pheNAM (pheNAM), Monday, 22 March 2004 15:06 (twenty years ago) link

check Robbo's Monday show archive of this week for some great post-Mad Instruments Soca-ragga riddims - + rave bass flava in effect!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/1xtra_aod.shtml?dancehall_mon

from Vybz "Call Mi Fi Dweet" onwards

and I swear when I tuned in live I heard a snatch of "this one goes out to the ILM massive" or did I? haven't got back to that point later in the show yet

― Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 25 March 2004 16:25 (twenty years ago) link

oh, fuck it i'll dive in again. the usher refix is not elephant man, it's baby cham. sadly, to the best of my knowledge, it isn't even being released. i do have it and it's pretty wicked, but it's not sped up, to my ear. the beats are just a lot spikier and compacted - there's more going on in each bar and the great bass drop on the offbeat works brilliantly with lil jon's massive synth walls. i've been playing it non-stop, although baby cham's toasts actually sound quite sluggish and lazy and his presence mainly consists of that daft "wah-waaaah!" phrasing of his. and you're spot-on paul, that show was great. really enjoyable and made being chained to the word processor writing the TOK piece pretty bearable.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 25 March 2004 17:08 (twenty years ago) link

Nina Sky's "Move Your Body" (on Coolie Dance) is great - I never thought that riddim could sound so *eerie* as it does here!

Stelfox I *still* have to finish making you a cd! I officially suxor.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 26 March 2004 04:40 (twenty years ago) link

tim i just got the french vanilla rhythm album, try limewire for a couple of tracks on this rhythm you'll like it

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 26 March 2004 11:34 (twenty years ago) link

isnt french vanilla a bit... gay?

― jeremy jordan (cruisy), Friday, 26 March 2004 11:43 (twenty years ago) link

bun effete effete man

― prima fassy (mwah), Friday, 26 March 2004 11:47 (twenty years ago) link

fassy, as ever your wit and mental acuity dazzles me. all this attention really flatters me. obviously, i do understand that you'd know much better than me what words mean (i'm only a professional writer, after all), but does "effete" mean gay to you? if so, i suggest you buy yourself a dictionary.
anyway tosspot derailments aside, french vanilla is a good rhythm if you like acoustic guitars, bubbling bong noises and all sorts of backwards bits, etc. the beat kicks, too. saying it's gay is a bit daft - the more flamboyant dancehall gets, the better it is for my money.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 26 March 2004 12:08 (twenty years ago) link

fassy, as ever your wit and mental acuity dazzles me. all this attention really is more than i deserve. obviously, i do understand that you'd know much better than me what words mean (i'm only a professional writer, after all), but does "effete" mean gay to you? if so, i suggest you buy yourself a dictionary.
anyway tosspot derailments aside, french vanilla is a good rhythm if you like acoustic guitars, bubbling bong noises and all sorts of backwards bits, etc. the beat kicks, too. saying it's gay is a bit daft - the more flamboyant dancehall gets, the better it is for my money.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 26 March 2004 12:11 (twenty years ago) link

oh i havent actually heard it

― jeremy jordan (cruisy), Friday, 26 March 2004 12:22 (twenty years ago) link

in that case, i'm completely lost

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 26 March 2004 12:24 (twenty years ago) link

daaaave did u get woebot to delete his comments box like u did your farewell thread? dont think i didnt see u not caring about me there! sigh. you are a very special chap.

― prima fassy (mwah), Friday, 26 March 2004 12:46 (twenty years ago) link

i wanted that thread deleted because i didn't want it to become a mass diss of robin - i don't mind a good argument, but i do object to being associated with a really unpleasant, thuggish character assasination of someone who didn't even pitch up to defend himself (and why would the poor guy after 300+ posts tearing him to fucking pieces). regardless how much he pissed me off he didn't deserve that and i've told him as much in person.
as far as i was concerned, asking for it to be deleted was the decent thing to do.
as regards you, i really don't know what the hell i've done to spark your vindictive little campaign... as regards the comments on matt's site, yeah they were about you, but only because you've turned yourself into the poster boy for everything i find loathesome about this attenuated internet-based, greedily grabbing, p2p-fuelled way of consuming music.
bottom line, i don't like you but i'm quite happy to ignore you and get on with the business of talking about *music*... think about it, what's more interesting, dancehall or you? which do you think i'd rather talk about?

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 26 March 2004 13:12 (twenty years ago) link

if you need a hint, my next series of articles will *NOT* be about bob zemko...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 26 March 2004 13:24 (twenty years ago) link

you will be writing no more pieces on bob? you have seemed quite engaged with the subject recently

― gareth (gareth), Friday, 26 March 2004 13:43 (twenty years ago) link

not thru choice

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 26 March 2004 13:47 (twenty years ago) link

as I recall, robin's character wasn't the only thing that people laid into.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 26 March 2004 13:52 (twenty years ago) link

anyway, back to dancehall one thing i was quite surprised to find out was that TOK are in fact extremely middle-calss boys who met at tow of kingston's poshest schools. i didn't expect this at all. further explains that uptown-downtown tension going on in dancehall now

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 26 March 2004 13:54 (twenty years ago) link

well, julio we can't find out now and the only thing that matters is that i would very much like to clear any bad atmosphere and STOP all this tiresome fucking bitching

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 26 March 2004 13:57 (twenty years ago) link

man i luv the way u painted me out to your, er mates: "imagine hating buying records! wot a wanker eh guys" u said (yeah dave yeah mate buying records is great waheyy, fancy another!), haha what do u think i do 4 fux sake, "oh dear another 9 7s on qv weaver to battle the shop guy for! sigh this terrible destiny of being forced to spend money!" dave like u know full well i purchase records, i dont even download anyway, but hey get this: IT DOESNT MATTER. i hate how everything's a realness issue with you, i'm just not at all interested in aaaah like constantly sententiously averring my identity by championing causes all the time, i like music... fuck it, i like people enough not to be intoxicated with myself all day... yeah maybe my, i dunno, pseudo-exoticism is just as deluded as yours but whatev.

― prima_fassy (mwah), Friday, 26 March 2004 14:01 (twenty years ago) link

god both of you grow the fuck up

i dont think either of it would be so bad if the pseudo-intellectual card wasn't drawn every other play

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 26 March 2004 14:02 (twenty years ago) link

in laymans terms: don't try it

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 26 March 2004 14:03 (twenty years ago) link

p.s. yo dave i got yr email, but since i'm not going to have a home for a few weeks, i won't be able to reply with any timeliness.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 26 March 2004 14:06 (twenty years ago) link

fassy, you know full well that i download stuff, too. there is a happy medium to be hit, like i tend to use it as a test-drive for things, to be honest. download it, if i like it, go to shop fully armed with knowledge of what i want and what i don,'t... no problem there. dowloading can be useful and it saves people getting rooked fucking stupid and buying stuff they don't want, but i do think loving music does mean that you should eventually put something into it, like a bit of cash, a bit of time, your body at adance etc... anyway, in summation, i am not against p2P wholesale, as i am sure you are not against buying music, really.
however, when you say things like "buying music hurts my heart, i do think" it's a bit fucking stupid. but us disagreeing isn't really the problem for me (if it was i'd spend my whole bloody life arguing with people and probably have no friends at all). the problem is that you can't say anything to me without it being really unpleasant, dismissive, sarcastic and completely personal. just feels weird: i don't bloody know you and you do not know me, so why the fuck are we fighting? if we met each other on a bus or in a pub we'd probably without knowing who each other was we'd probably end up having a really good conversation about all the stuff we have in common, for fuck's sake, so can we please try to be civil to each other? when you're not being a twat, i actually think you're pretty clued up.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 26 March 2004 14:19 (twenty years ago) link

er, I don't know what the hell is going on here, but.........thanks for the tip Dave. where, may i ask - if it's not in violation of some secret of the trade - did you pick that Usher/Baby Cham up?

― pheNAM (pheNAM), Friday, 26 March 2004 16:24 (twenty years ago) link

it was sent to me by one of the guys who commissioned the mix - unfortunately via mp3, so i don't even have the vinyl!

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 26 March 2004 16:39 (twenty years ago) link

hot97 is playing it, you've got the mp3, and it's not being released? that's sooooooo not fair!! but, kudos to you for getting the goods.

btw, now that "i'm still in love" is such a big hit, have there been any versions coming out that have caught your ear? one more great dj cut would be excellent. i love the history of this riddim: alton ellis>trinity>althia&donna>seanpaul&sasha>??who's next??

― pheNAM (pheNAM), Friday, 26 March 2004 16:58 (twenty years ago) link

it's one of those things you shouldn't really share, otherwise i'd happily email it to you, but if you dig around on soulseek or something, then you'll quite likely find it...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 26 March 2004 17:04 (twenty years ago) link

shouldn't share because they *may* release it...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 26 March 2004 17:05 (twenty years ago) link

i dunno about i'm still in love, but that whole steely & cleevie album of joe gibbs stuff is great (old to the new) - has made me very happy for a couple of years now... there's a beautiful version of i'm not ashamed by culture on it

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 26 March 2004 17:14 (twenty years ago) link

no problems.....if it's on slsk though, they BETTER release it soon....actually, why wouldn't they release it?

Given that: #1 song/reggae is hot/baby cham up&coming

a'fraid da lawman hassle perhaps.

i always resisted buying that album even though i'm a fan of S&C and Joe Gibbs. i dunno, it just didn't make sense or didn't add up or something. maybe, i'll break down next time i see it.

― pheNAM (pheNAM), Friday, 26 March 2004 18:12 (twenty years ago) link

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