things you're secretly kinda libertariany about

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well consider the possibility that climate change will make it worse

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

no

max, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

iatee wants to ruin the yokels' lives... to save them!!!!

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

Set up another round of tornados, floods, hurricanes, and droughts for everyone! They're on the house!

Aimless, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

Climate change and other human impacts are going to make things worse, and (TMI) combine to be the reason I don't think I ever want to have kids. I don't want to bring people into a world where their kids probably won't get to experience seafood (as a minor example) or maintain a comfortable existence at all.
But making life shittier for most people right now - but in a way that won't effect structural change - is kinda dumb and punitive toward people for having the lives they were born into. And is clearly unrealistic to boot, since no one will buy in. Like I said, ideas about sustainability that accept the size of the US and its population (encouraging mass transit in any mid-sized city, better and faster rail networks, governments actively teaching people to grow some of their own food when possible) are a lot more valuable.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

are you suuuuuuuure that raising taxes on things that contribute to global warming "wont effect structural change"

max, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

we're having a hell of a time getting buy-in on mass transit in mid-size cities and faster rail networks. i'd hate to see the reaction to the idea of "governments actively teaching people to grow some of their own food when possible"

the whole point of 'making' forms of carbon energy more expensive is that stuff like transit networks, farming and mfging processes, housing sizes, and so on, adjust or retrofit as needed

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

yup, mass-transit is uncompetitive in midsized cities when we build and fund its competition, gas is cheap and transit-oriented neighborhoods are illegal to build. dealing w/ those things are as important as spending more money on transit. making it difficult to drive or own a car is the best way to fund public transit.

iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

are as important = is as important

iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Iatee, what do you think of cap and trade?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

humanity's last hope

iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 23:20 (2 years ago) Permalink


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