I think it's more that you have a lot of interesting ideas that proscribe what large swaths of society at large should be doing, but you seldom address your own stake in this!
― valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
btw I just completely misused the word proscribe, ignore me
I don't care what society 'should be doing', I care about pricing things w/ environmental goals in mind
― iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
and cooling is less necessary than heating - no a/c in the south would require reconfiguring houses to old vernacular styles with sleeping porches and shit, but you aren't going to die sleeping outside in a Mississippi summer
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
man ppl get really bent out of shape by this stuff
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
How is "pricing things w/ environmental goals in mind" not a thing that society would do?
― valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
eugenics program to breed people who can run marathons to deliver news from urban city-state to urban city-state
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
the chances of anything iatee 'wants' happening in america's political context are close to zero, so everybody can take it easy
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
Being libertarian doesn't mean not giving a direction for society! It means that specific direction is limited government, subsidies, and intervention
― valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
marketing campaign to turn unused NYC subway and sewer tunnels into 21st century artists' loftsart supplies restricted for wastefulness (oops)
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
new TV production banned, all citizens have to watch media projected from a central location onto night-time clouds. No clouds, tough shit.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
wow I had no idea raising the gas tax would have so many unforeseen consequences
― iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
no, this is the libertarian thread, you have to pose it as not subsidizing roads or subsidizing gasoline
― valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
Just spitballing ways to save the planet.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
makes you think
― beware of greek bearer bonds (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
haha
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
I go to a conference call and this place turns venomous. Waaahhh happen?
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
tbh, though, the effects from denying healthcare to the elderly is probably not that far off from designing policies to either uproot people or make living where they do untenable - going to be a lot of holdouts fighting back or dying offand killing off old people would undeniably be good for the environment, whereas herding people together generally hasn't been
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
whereas herding people together generally hasn't been
Do you...have anything to support this or are you just mad now?
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
yeah now that i think about it probably better to just leave things as they are
― max, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
milo
you are continuing on this path as if ppl have been arguing against your ideas to kill off (note- think about a better euphemism for this) nearlydeads, when tbf nobody is fighting you on these vital reforms
― beware of greek bearer bonds (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
Do I have any evidence that urbanization (partic. rapid urbanization) isn't good for the environment?Sure: the Industrial Revolution. Contemporary China.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not mad, I just think iatee's views - or at least his ways of stating them - are tailor-made for reductio ad absurdum, in that they start off on the absurd continuum.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
'raise taxes on things that cause global warming'?
― iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
Seriously - if iatee were more serious about needing radical ideas to save the world (rather than, as noted, wanting the NYC he loves), he would be encouraging agrarianism and population reduction. Mankind is never quite so sustainable as when it needs the farmland directly beneath its feet to survive.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
why do people think I love nyc so much
― iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
killing off old people would undeniably be good for the environment
Wha? Old people don't reproduce. They have few years left to consume resources. They eat like birds. It's you young 'uns who will be vigorously spawning all those ravenous children, demanding ice cream and Gameboys, and ruining the planet for the next century!
― Aimless, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
I don't even own a I <3 ny shirt
― iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
my vision of the future is locking everyone into densely-packed urban gulag camps where only billionaires can afford to do anything more than 20 blocks away from their residence, including work.
― iatee, Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:31 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
Do you own a I 8====) NY shirt?
― A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
well consider the possibility that climate change will make it worse
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
no
― max, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
iatee wants to ruin the yokels' lives... to save them!!!!
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
Set up another round of tornados, floods, hurricanes, and droughts for everyone! They're on the house!
― Aimless, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
Climate change and other human impacts are going to make things worse, and (TMI) combine to be the reason I don't think I ever want to have kids. I don't want to bring people into a world where their kids probably won't get to experience seafood (as a minor example) or maintain a comfortable existence at all. But making life shittier for most people right now - but in a way that won't effect structural change - is kinda dumb and punitive toward people for having the lives they were born into. And is clearly unrealistic to boot, since no one will buy in. Like I said, ideas about sustainability that accept the size of the US and its population (encouraging mass transit in any mid-sized city, better and faster rail networks, governments actively teaching people to grow some of their own food when possible) are a lot more valuable.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
are you suuuuuuuure that raising taxes on things that contribute to global warming "wont effect structural change"
― max, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
we're having a hell of a time getting buy-in on mass transit in mid-size cities and faster rail networks. i'd hate to see the reaction to the idea of "governments actively teaching people to grow some of their own food when possible"
the whole point of 'making' forms of carbon energy more expensive is that stuff like transit networks, farming and mfging processes, housing sizes, and so on, adjust or retrofit as needed
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
yup, mass-transit is uncompetitive in midsized cities when we build and fund its competition, gas is cheap and transit-oriented neighborhoods are illegal to build. dealing w/ those things are as important as spending more money on transit. making it difficult to drive or own a car is the best way to fund public transit.
― iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
are as important = is as important
― iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
Iatee, what do you think of cap and trade?
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:50 (twelve years ago) link
humanity's last hope
― iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 23:20 (twelve years ago) link