https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CprsGABjLVk
― slinky connoisseur (cozen), Sunday, 19 February 2012 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
http://frontrow.espn.go.com/2012/02/follow-up-statement-and-action/
― slinky connoisseur (cozen), Sunday, 19 February 2012 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
the stupidest thing is that the pun doesn't even make sense! jeremy lin is... in the armor? that's a really terrible pun!
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 19 February 2012 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
no, the racial slur is the pun
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Sunday, 19 February 2012 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
right, but it still doesn't make sense
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 19 February 2012 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
is just outright calling jeremy lin a racial slur a pun? i'm pretty sure it's just straight up racist
The anchor getting suspended for a month seems harsh, he using a turn of phrase he would have used regardless of Lin's race which wasn't true of the headline imo
― pandemic, Sunday, 19 February 2012 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
well yeah it's a racist pun
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Sunday, 19 February 2012 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
it make sense if the goal of the headline writer was to create a headline with the meaning that 'jeremy lin is actually fallible,' and so you chose the one expression out of dozens that would pun on a racial slur
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Sunday, 19 February 2012 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
yeah that was how I read it
― pandemic, Sunday, 19 February 2012 16:34 (twelve years ago) link
what did the anchor say, i don't even know what that's referring to (to make things worse ESPN used "reference" as a verb, ugh)
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Sunday, 19 February 2012 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
he used the phrase 'chink in his armour' re turnovers I think, but it didn't seem to me pre planned, it was part of a discussion and I don't think he was trying to make a pun or a racial comment but i could be wrong.
― pandemic, Sunday, 19 February 2012 16:37 (twelve years ago) link
cozen linked to it a few posts above
one possibility is that the anchor read the headline prior to making those comments - the phrase could have been kicking around in his head
don't feel like looking for timestamps though
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Sunday, 19 February 2012 16:38 (twelve years ago) link
i just watched it again and now I'm not sure tbh
― pandemic, Sunday, 19 February 2012 16:38 (twelve years ago) link
They just fired the headline writer but didn't release his name, presumably to keep Dom from googling him
― dave cool, Sunday, 19 February 2012 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
assuming the TV anchor was speaking extemporaneously then it's hard to see that offensive. the headline writer is far more culpable since writing at least allows a moments reflection on what you're saying.
― ryan, Sunday, 19 February 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
i guess a relevant question is, does this particular saying have any history of being racially coded in this way? (it will from now on, obviously.)
― ryan, Sunday, 19 February 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
Racially coded? Naw. ESPN's getting railroaded here, like white on rice. Everyone seems to have a slanted opinion on this. Sure it's a little yellow of them to fire the writer but not the TV host, but hey. Doesn't mean everything has to be racially coded, amirite?
― pplains, Sunday, 19 February 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
i see what you did there
― i love pinfold cricket (gbx), Sunday, 19 February 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
*gong*
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 19 February 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/Linsanity-Postgame-Cold-Open/1386272
― Nhex, Sunday, 19 February 2012 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
linsanity lohan
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 19 February 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
heiglinsanity lohan
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 19 February 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
i often wish for disciplinary action on cliched writing in a professional setting, and if it takes charges of racism to make it stick, so be it. For constant unambiguous racist pun headlines though, I turn to the Economist.
― Philip Nunez, Sunday, 19 February 2012 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2012/02/jeremy-lin-slur-an-honest-mistake-says-fired-espn-editor/1?source=twitter#.T0KA-nJWqvQ
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Monday, 20 February 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
idk I'm willing to believe on some level he didn't 'get what he was doing' because someone who 'got what he was doing' would know that he was gonna lose his job
― iatee, Monday, 20 February 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
Bretos tweeted an apology Saturday, writing that: "My wife is Asian, would never intentionally say anything to disrespect her and that community."
sounds like "I get to make offensive comments because I'm married to one/some of my best friends are &c."
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Monday, 20 February 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
*Makes wop joke* - "But my wife is European!"
― pplains, Monday, 20 February 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
idk I think it's more like he prob genuinely did not understand that it's as offensive as it is. he prob thought it was like making a germanic pun w/ dirk when really it was like making a hitler pun. idk I think it's hard to believe he really was so intent on sneaking something offensive onto espn that he'd risk his job for it.
― iatee, Monday, 20 February 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
haha double idk
― iatee, Monday, 20 February 2012 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
yeah that seems pretty plausible... ESPN still should've fired him tho
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Monday, 20 February 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
oh def, people that stupid shouldn't have jobs
― iatee, Monday, 20 February 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
His lack of malice seems totally believable, but:'Federico told the Daily News he understood why he was axed, but added he had used the same phrase "at least 100 times" in past headlines.'
and:'He said he was particularly remorseful because, like Lin, he considers himself an "outspoken Christian."'
There are subtler crimes going on.
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 20 February 2012 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
basically you don't have to give him the benefit of the doubt 'maybe he's just stupid' - it is p clear that he is extremely stupid
― iatee, Monday, 20 February 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe it's institutionalized stupidity, though?
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 20 February 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
I read about this first in the NYT, so I had to guess what the headline said as it was only described in tapdancing fashion.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 February 2012 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
― https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 (dayo), Monday, February 20, 2012 12:30 PM (50 minutes ago)
oh come on man
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Monday, 20 February 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
what?
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Monday, 20 February 2012 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
dayo's right, that is what it sounds like
― horseshoe, Monday, 20 February 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
i am a cynic about this stuff, though
― horseshoe, Monday, 20 February 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
ya but that doesn't rule out that he is fundamentally clueless, also
― iatee, Monday, 20 February 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, but if you're contrite, you're contrite. no need to mention anything beyond that, really
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Monday, 20 February 2012 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
exactly
― horseshoe, Monday, 20 February 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
he wasn't making a pun. it's a very commonly used sports cliche, and i don't see any reason to impugn his sincerity if he says it was unintentional. there's a pretty clear difference between headline writing, where you should obviously be aware of these double meanings (that's more or less your job), and saying something like that in a conversation
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Monday, 20 February 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
well he still probably does not understand the full context of 'the thing he did', remember he is a fundamentally stupid human being
― iatee, Monday, 20 February 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
we're talking about the anchor now, right? what has he said that would lead you to believe he's stupid?
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Monday, 20 February 2012 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
I differ w/ kev in that I think it's pretty unlikely he didn't know there was a pun, he just didn't really understand what kinda pun it was.
― iatee, Monday, 20 February 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
we're talking about the dude who typed 'chink in the armor'
uh yeah if his wife is asian i'm gonna go ahead and guess he's familiar with that slur
xp no i'm talking about the anchor who said that and was suspended for 30 days
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Monday, 20 February 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
Yep, Linsanity came, then went for about 5 games, now hopefully is coming back.
― Nhex, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 03:05 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/l1jQQ.jpg
― dayo, Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:21 (twelve years ago) link
I was at the ACC for Linsanity last night. Not very insane--six points, I think. It reminded me of driving to Detroit with my dad in '94 to see Griffey, and he didn't get the ball out of the infield.
― clemenza, Saturday, 24 March 2012 13:12 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, that was hugely disappointing
― Nhex, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvaM0pMj-8o
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 8 April 2016 19:07 (seven years ago) link
oh thought this was in ILH
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 8 April 2016 19:09 (seven years ago) link