Rolling last.fm thread 2012: The Scrobbling

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HO WBEAUTIFUL IS THE GENTLYFALLINGBLOOD? (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 19 February 2012 14:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

Oh I see hehe, soz

HO WBEAUTIFUL IS THE GENTLYFALLINGBLOOD? (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 19 February 2012 14:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

Lol, are you from the last.fm police? If Trayce wants her profile to track everything she listens to, why not let her? As if there is a rule how to use lastfm!

well, she said it ought to be one thing and I said it ought to be another thing. not sure why it's ok to say one but not the other.

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Sunday, 19 February 2012 15:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

No, I'm saying it's silly to say what website usage ought to be. Tracer just said how he used, you said how it is supposed to be used.

HO WBEAUTIFUL IS THE GENTLYFALLINGBLOOD? (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 19 February 2012 15:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

Well I dunno, saying that "last.fm ought to be a record of all the music I've listened to that was worth noting down" sounds pretty much like a statement of how it is supposed to be used to me, but whatever.

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Sunday, 19 February 2012 17:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

Nice use of c&p to get rid of the "for me" that prefaced that statement.

emil.y, Sunday, 19 February 2012 17:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

you're welcome to add it back if you like, it doesn't make any difference to the point I was making.

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Sunday, 19 February 2012 17:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

You didn't address the issue of me choosing to put a record on my turntable, or choosing to put a record on a jukebox. Both of those scenarios fit your definition of tracks that I've actively chosen to listen to, and there's currently no way to scrobble them automatically (you can always use the Universal Scrobbler, but I'm not doing admin work in a bar..).

Beyond that, though, there's PLENTY of stuff I listen to that I don't like. Youtube links somebody sends me, a compilation full of tracks I don't know, hell, a whole album full of stuff that I want to learn about but in the end decide eh - not for me. It all gets scrobbled. Unless I go back and unscrobble them. I don't even know if you can do that. But cf my last graf about doing admin work.. Life's too short.

So already, by your definition, last.fm is "failing" because I suspect many, many people listen to songs they don't necessarily like, not just me. But you know, it still sort of basically works. Even if I don't like the new Gui Boratto single very much, it's still valuable for recommendation purposes for last.fm to know that I like Gui Boratto in general.

Keeping on this train of thought, about recommendations and building a profile: if I'm out in a bar or a club or a friend's house and the radio's on or whatever, and I REALLY LIKE a song, enough to launch an app on my phone to scrobble it, or to find out what it is, surely that is valuable information for last.fm to have. It should maybe even be given more weighting in whatever algorithms the last.fm chipmunks use to create recommendations.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 19 February 2012 23:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

you're welcome to add it back if you like, it doesn't make any difference to the point I was making.

― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Sunday, February 19, 2012 5:39 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes it does. The words you used specifically indicated that you were stating how last.fm should be used by everyone. The words Tracer used specifically indicated that he was stating how he feels it should be used by him.

Look: your last.fm profile should be made up of things you choose to listen to. Here you say 'your' last.fm profile. You don't say 'my' last.fm profile. So you're not just saying what you want to do with it, you're setting limitations on what other people should be allowed to do with it.

And now Tracer's response: For me last.fm ought to be a record of all the music I've listened to that was worth noting down, and that includes stuff I hear in clubs, bars, friends' houses, the record player, jukeboxes... All of this is personal, using the 'I'. All of this is simply what Tracer wants to do. He's not saying YOU have to do it too.

And you again: no, it should be a reflection of your taste in music. and that stuff you randomly hear is not part of your taste. Which not only isn't true, but is explicitly saying 'YOU'RE USING IT WRONG YOU CAN'T DO IT LIKE THAT'.

emil.y, Sunday, 19 February 2012 23:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

Peace (peaceful) (The Brainwasher), Monday, 20 February 2012 00:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

Thanks Emily, I didn't have the energy to break it down like that, but that's how I read it. And I read it like that because it is precisely how anagram said it.

HO WBEAUTIFUL IS THE GENTLYFALLINGBLOOD? (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 20 February 2012 00:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah, I actually hardly ever use the recommendation functions. For me it's more of a cheat sheet of what friends have been listening to (and a way of remembering what I have). If there's a better tool for that I'm all ears.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 20 February 2012 10:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

That said, if history is any guide in a couple of weeks I will stop using last.fm for a year or two.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 20 February 2012 10:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

So, If This Then That is kind of interesting for these purposes: http://ifttt.com/wtf

It is designed to link up your social media accounts to cross post -- and you can have it, say, link up your last.fm scrobbling to something you check regularly, like your Evernote account. Unfortunately, I can't figure out how to get it to send a list of things I've listened to, and it ends up creating a new note for every song I listen to on Spotify, which is totally unnecessary.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 15:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

it does look like it's limited to 'on every scrobble' and allows no grouping of data. there are a bunch of recipes that update facebook on a scrobble or a love but none that does what you want.

koogs, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 15:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

(oh, i have got both ends of that completely wrong, it's not lastfm and it's not facebook. same thing applies though, no batching)

koogs, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 15:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think you could potentially do it via the last.fm RSS feed, which I think does do batches...

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 15:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

And I answer my question: nope, still single entries.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 9 April 2012 15:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Weekly

it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 24 June 2012 10:19 (11 months ago) Permalink

http://www.last.fm/user/Resonanceesk

RIP last.fm

nohighs, Sunday, 24 June 2012 20:14 (11 months ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

http://playground.last.fm/demo/instant


What's cooking in the Last.fm playlisting lab
Thursday, 27 September 2012
by Mark Levy
filed under About Us
Comments: 33

In the Music Information Retrieval team here at Last.fm we’re currently developing a new generation of smart playlisting engines, and we’d like take the chance to give you a sneak preview of what they can do, as well as explaining a bit more about playlisting services in general.

You can think of playlisting engines as falling into two categories: one repeatedly chooses which track to stream next when you’re listening to an internet radio station like any of Last.fm’s radio stations; the other selects a single set of tracks from a collection all in one go, like iTunes genius or Google Music’s instant mix. While in theory these do similar jobs, as every good scientist knows, the difference between theory and practice is greater in practice than it is in theory, and in practice the requirements for these two types of playlists can be very different. Our new generation service is designed to provide instant playlists from collections of any size, and you can try a demo right now, or read on to find out more.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 14:23 (8 months ago) Permalink

We’ll talk a bit more about radio playlisting in a separate post, but one of the main characteristics required from the other type of engine is the ability to choose from music collections of wildly varying sizes. Our existing engines have mostly been targeted at very large commercial catalogues containing millions of recordings – you can see them at work in the Last.fm Spotify app (start playing any track, go to the Now Playing tab in the app and click “Similar Tracks Playlist”).

The new generation of engines is designed to continue to do a really good job when choosing tracks from small personal collections. In practice that means we can’t rely on any single type of information to tell us which other tracks might be a good match for any particular playlist. Luckily thanks to your scrobbles and tags, and a bit of audio analysis and machine learning magic on our side, we have three independent types of information linking artists and tracks. Another new feature is the ability to generate playlists based on mood and other musical properties. Finally when playlisting from personal collections we’ve been able to experiment with ways of choosing the sequence of tracks that aren’t restricted by licensing rules.

But we know we still have a huge amount to learn before any machine can approach the skill of a human DJ, so we’ve built a simple demo to let you try out the services. Please let us know how you think we’re doing and we’ll incorporate your feedback into our final version of the new engines. Thanks for listening!

Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 14:28 (8 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Mine:

http://www.last.fm/user/TheJupiter8

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Friday, 30 November 2012 17:47 (6 months ago) Permalink

Your musical compatibility with TheJupiter8 is Low ;_;

Albert Crampus (NickB), Friday, 30 November 2012 17:58 (6 months ago) Permalink

Hehehehe! Gimme a chance, I only started this yesterday! :P

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Friday, 30 November 2012 18:18 (6 months ago) Permalink

Your musical compatibility with TheJupiter8 is Medium

Music you have in common includes Japan, The Cure, Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark, The Stranglers and New Order The 80s.

studge_siren.gif (onimo), Friday, 30 November 2012 18:33 (6 months ago) Permalink

HA! Yeah, I'm on a bit of an '80s kick at the moment... having said that, when am I not?

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Friday, 30 November 2012 18:37 (6 months ago) Permalink

We're super! Except for Smashing Pumpkins, not super.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 30 November 2012 18:45 (6 months ago) Permalink

very low :(

ILM Communication (seandalai), Friday, 30 November 2012 19:00 (6 months ago) Permalink

Not enough Alicia Keys Alicia, eh? :)

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Friday, 30 November 2012 19:03 (6 months ago) Permalink

Your musical compatibility with TheJupiter8 is VERY LOW
Music you have in common includes Simple Minds and Kraftwerk.

Pretty sure I've only ever scrobbled one Simple Minds track ('Twist/Run/Repulsion', which I genuinely think is great).

emil.y, Friday, 30 November 2012 21:11 (6 months ago) Permalink

Your musical compatibility with TheJupiter8 is HIGH
Music you have in common includes XTC, Tubeway Army, The Smashing Pumpkins, The Human League and Ultravox.

Cool!

Gavin, Leeds, Friday, 30 November 2012 21:41 (6 months ago) Permalink

Your musical compatibility with TheJupiter8 is Very High

Music you have in common includes Pet Shop Boys, New Order, Depeche Mode, The Cure and The Smashing Pumpkins.

I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Friday, 30 November 2012 21:44 (6 months ago) Permalink

Love last.fm

Mine

everythingsgross, Friday, 30 November 2012 23:54 (6 months ago) Permalink

Your musical compatibility with lipwreck is Super

Music you have in common includes A Place to Bury Strangers, The Jesus and Mary Chain, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Mogwai and Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds.

studge_siren.gif (onimo), Saturday, 1 December 2012 16:56 (6 months ago) Permalink

12 months for Sombrehombre:

Chinchilla! Chinchilla! Chinchilla! (Sanpaku), Saturday, 1 December 2012 18:19 (6 months ago) Permalink

2 things:
* all of my neighbo(u)rs are male
* their 10 years of scrobbling stats are amusing -- I would not have guessed so many people had deleted Gaga.

passion it person (La Lechera), Wednesday, 12 December 2012 19:08 (6 months ago) Permalink

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/dec/13/lastfm-desktop-radio-service-paywall

^ Last.fm to start charging for radio plays, no mention on what this means for scrobbling and play stats

Albert Crampus (NickB), Monday, 17 December 2012 10:43 (6 months ago) Permalink

Personally I don't use the radio thing AT ALL, now we're in the Spotify era. Who would even pay for such a thing? What a terrible idea.

Albert Crampus (NickB), Monday, 17 December 2012 10:46 (6 months ago) Permalink

Anyone having trouble scrobbling from iPhone should get the CloudScrob app. I'd been having trouble for months until I got it.

besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Monday, 17 December 2012 10:54 (6 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

I'm sure there are other apps out there for this, but my pal Martin developed a quick and dirty one to isolate "new" releases in your scrobbles.

http://rentayeti.com/top2012albums/

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 17:19 (5 months ago) Permalink

Is the new last.fm client fucked for anyone else? I'm on a Mac can't get beyond after installation. I've been able to find 1.5.4 to downgrade to, but ipod/iphone scrobbling seems to have vanished.

'Separate Lives', by Phil Collins & Marilyn Manson (PaulTMA), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 09:15 (5 months ago) Permalink

Hey that's very cool... Almost mimics my EOY list, apart from the odd weird placement:

http://rentayeti.com/top2012albums/topalbums.php?username=charlieframe

besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 09:46 (5 months ago) Permalink

Algerian_Goalie's Top 2012 Albums
Using Last.fm to figure out which new albums you listened to the most in 2012.
Error 95 - SimpleXMLElement error: String could not be parsed as XML:

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 15:11 (5 months ago) Permalink

^^^ Yeah I got the same

Three days left to vote in the ILM End of Year Poll! (seandalai), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 15:19 (5 months ago) Permalink

hmmm most of these arent 2012 albums
http://rentayeti.com/top2012albums/topalbums.php?username=Algerian_Goalie

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 16:46 (5 months ago) Permalink

I'll say it again for those who weren't paying attention - CLOUDSCROB for iPhone is brilliant if you're having trouble scrobbling.

besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 16:53 (5 months ago) Permalink

I've got that now thanks - seems to do the job.

'Separate Lives', by Phil Collins & Marilyn Manson (PaulTMA), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 17:24 (5 months ago) Permalink

Martin's app probably isn't maintained all that well, fwiw. I think he just made it for friends to use.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 17:41 (5 months ago) Permalink

http://www.lastfm.com.br/user/shin70

Shin Oliva Suzuki, Monday, 21 January 2013 11:57 (4 months ago) Permalink

So last.fm is pretty useless now if you're running iTunes on a Mac, right? Doesn't autostart with iTunes anymore, but if I try to launch it manually it tells me to close iTunes. Seeing dozens of people reporting the same thing on forums. The lack of any acknowledgment from the last.fm people is the most disturbing part.

― HAPPY BDAY TOOTS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, January 21, 2013 3:55 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i was just coming in here to complain about the same thing! it works fine if you open last.fm manually before itunes, but why do i now have to remember an extra step? why - once a-fucking-gain - does an updated version of a program that WORKED 100% FINE ALREADY just make it worse? why bother?

it also doesn't recognise ipod scrobbles -_-

lex pretend, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 08:31 (4 months ago) Permalink

It works fine for me- if anything it scrobbles from my iPod more quickly than the old client.

Neil S, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 10:00 (4 months ago) Permalink

iPod scrobbling is a bit more reliable now for me too, but then I'm running it on Windows. Used to be cases where I'd listen to my iPod constantly for a week before plugging it in and it would scrobble about one album and forget all the rest and I've not been having that recently.

Jaap and roids (NickB), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 10:09 (4 months ago) Permalink

I still use CloudScrob. The Last.FM app on the iPhone can suck my balls.

dog latin, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 10:14 (4 months ago) Permalink

Now that's what I call an upgrade.

Jaap and roids (NickB), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 10:15 (4 months ago) Permalink

apparently there's another update that fixes my issues. god, fuck updates though. NEVER INSTALL UPDATES why do i always forget this?

lex pretend, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 10:24 (4 months ago) Permalink

OTM^ I always do it though :-/

dog latin, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 10:26 (4 months ago) Permalink

Last.fm scrobbler seems to work totally fine on anything that isn't an Apple product, I always had problems with it when I used an ipod. Luckily those days are now over.

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 10:28 (4 months ago) Permalink

I updated and then five days later noted that for no apparent reason (it was open, I was signed in) it hadn't been scrobbling anything. DDD:

Bill Goldberg Variations (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 10:34 (4 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Your musical compatibility with lexpretend is Very High

Music you have in common includes Dawn Richard, Kendrick Lamar, Miguel, Kate Bush and PJ Harvey.

awesome

mookieproof, Saturday, 16 February 2013 00:12 (4 months ago) Permalink

you dudes should add my fuckin ass

http://www.last.fm/user/JAMOOL

frogbs, Saturday, 16 February 2013 00:16 (4 months ago) Permalink

it tells you of New and upcoming releases via your last.fm charts

Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 1 March 2013 18:20 (3 months ago) Permalink


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