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Other than "I Can See For Miles," which they almost never played live until the 80s, the only songs from Sell Out that made it into their shows were "Tattoo" (through 1974, and a handful of times on the 1982 tour); "Relax" (on their 1968 tours, and last played as part of an end-of-show improvisation in 1976); and "Mary Anne With The Shaky Hands" (played a few times on the 1989 tour).

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

I guess I misremembered the show I saw (Birmingham AL, Nov 1982) -- they played "Tattoo" but not "Sunrise," according to thewholive.net

Steamtable Willie (WmC), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was gonna say, I'd never heard of them ever doing "Sunrise" live. I think Pete's done it once or twice in his solo shows, though.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

The final "Relax"...sort of...

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

The more i think about it the more I want to change my vote to one song, then another, then another. This is basically an entire album of hidden gems + one radio hit. Even that silly first song is amazing.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 18 February 2012 17:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's kind of a shame they went all serious messianic rock after this. In an alternate universe the Who skipped Tommy and became like a more psychedelic and operatic Kinks.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 18 February 2012 17:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was gonna say, when I first started listening to them, in line with the orthodoxy of the time that I subscribed to at the time, I embraced the youthful energy of the early hits and kept the Wagnerian bombast of the latter albums at arm's length. When I first heard this album it was kind of a third thing- almost fragile pop songs alternating with the seeming written-to-order advertising or story-explication numbers- it was almost like Sondheim. It took me a while to get used to it, but it grew to be a perennial favorite.

Dalai Mixture (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 18 February 2012 17:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think I like Tommy more than this album...like they own the "rock as musical" more fully there, & I think the hooks are consistently stronger there, for two albums w/o a lot of obvious singles. but I like this album a bunch too, prob gonna vote "Mary Anne"

Euler, Saturday, 18 February 2012 18:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

no one voting for 'armenia city'? that song is so huge

Michael B Higgins (Michael B), Saturday, 18 February 2012 18:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

One difference between Tommy and the Sell Out era Who is during Sell Out Townshend wrote three minute pop mini-operas whereas later he needed four LP sides to accomplish the same thing. Despite that,I think The Who did bombast better than even the Zep.

Armenia is great.

leavethecapital, Saturday, 18 February 2012 18:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Mmm, I don't hear any three minute pop mini-operas on this album unless you're counting "Odorono." "Rael" is almost six minutes.

timellison, Saturday, 18 February 2012 18:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

Used the term opera pretty loosely there. A better way to put it might be short stories vs novels. Either way, I prefer the conciseness of Sell Out to the sprawl of Tommy.

You reminded me there's not enough love for Rael on this thread.

leavethecapital, Saturday, 18 February 2012 19:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

Doesn't Rael reappear in another guise on Tommy?

Dalai Mixture (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 18 February 2012 20:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, "Sparks"

Steamtable Willie (WmC), Saturday, 18 February 2012 20:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

Doesn't Rael appear in another guise on The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway?

dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Saturday, 18 February 2012 20:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

srsly tho why did they both name a songy character Rael

dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Saturday, 18 February 2012 20:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

The "Love love love long" bit in "Our Love Was (Is)" is pretty operatic. Likewise, I could see some clown in a cape prowling around a stage to "Silas Stingy".

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 18 February 2012 21:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

I Can't Reach You, narrowly over Armenia

kornrulez6969, Saturday, 18 February 2012 21:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

should poll the reissue bonus tracks
melancholia v glow girl

i think you'd be cool to meet. i bet we'd have a lot to talk about (buzza), Saturday, 18 February 2012 21:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

listening again, "Sunrise" is pretty gorgeous, also want to vote for "I Can't Reach You"

lotta Pete on this album, kinda weird, guess that's one of the "talking points" of this album?

still gonna vote "Mary Anne" though I think

Euler, Saturday, 18 February 2012 21:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

I sometimes think of this album in tandem with Kinks "Arthur," as both seem to build up rather eclectically to a (possible) best-ever single right around the middle and then sort-of drop off, though not in any horrible way.

I think that sentimentally I'm attached to Tatoo, and the whole album is pretty great, but have to concede that I Can See For Miles is as perfect a rock single as you could want. Probably will get undervoted due to relative overexposure.

dlp9001, Saturday, 18 February 2012 22:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

srsly tho why did they both name a songy character Rael

iirc, Peter Gabriel was a massive Who fan, and named his character Rael as an homage. Also, Townshend's Rael is a place, not a person ("the womb of my religion/to me, the center of the earth").

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 18 February 2012 22:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

should poll the reissue bonus tracks
melancholia v glow girl

The funny thing is, the Who are generally seen as not being nearly as prolific as their contemporaries, but there's at least another double album from this period lurking among the outtakes and non-LP singles/b-sides.

"Melancholia," though, is a bit of an outlier; it was recorded after Sell Out was released.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 18 February 2012 22:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

Like Tommy fine but the theme is kinda heavy which seems to weigh down or lessen some of the individual songs whereas here the theme is merely a kind of a framing story, allowing for these interesting little character studies or in places just being ignored altogether.

Halfway through first listen to the PH a capella cover album, the cumulative effect is pretty amazing.

Dalai Mixture (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Rejected James Redd screenname:
Sotorono

Dalai Mixture (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

cranked Armenia on the way home from the supermarket

i think you'd be cool to meet. i bet we'd have a lot to talk about (buzza), Sunday, 19 February 2012 01:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

...there's at least another double album from this period lurking among the outtakes and non-LP singles/b-sides.

― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, February 18, 2012 5:57 PM

There's a pretty remarkable 40 non-LP A- and B-sides (bolded) in their U.K singles discography:

--1964
Zoot Suit / I'm the Face (as The High Numbers)
--1965
I Can't Explain / Bald Headed Woman
Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere / Daddy Rolling Stone (UK single) / Anytime You Want Me (US single)

My Generation / Shout and Shimmy
--1966
Substitute / Circles (Instant Party)
A Legal Matter / Circles (Instant Party)
The Kids Are Alright / The Ox
I'm a Boy / In the City
La-La-La-Lies / The Good's Gone
Happy Jack / I've Been Away
Ready Steady Who EP: Disguises / Circles (Alternate Version) / Batman / Bucket T / Barbara Ann
--1967
Pictures of Lily / Doctor, Doctor
The Last Time / Under My Thumb

I Can See for Miles / Someone's Coming
--1968
Dogs / Call Me Lightning
Magic Bus / Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde

--1969
Pinball Wizard / Dogs Part 2
I'm Free / Tommy, Can You Hear Me?
--1970
The Seeker / Here For More
Summertime Blues (Live) / Heaven and Hell
See Me, Feel Me / Overture from Tommy
--1971
Won't Get Fooled Again / I Don't Even Know Myself
Let's See Action / When I Was a Boy

Behind Blue Eyes / Going Mobile
Baba O'Riley / My Wife
--1972
Join Together / Baby Don't You Do It (Live)
The Relay / Wasp Man

--1973
5.15 / Water
Love, Reign o'er Me / Water

A lot of these have been rereleased on the remastered CDs from the '90s, but there's still 7 or 8 that you can only get on some of the old rarities collections, including Entwistle's incredible "When I Was a Boy":

That should have been an album cut.

And why haven't they put out a remastered version of Meaty Beaty Big and Bouncy? A lot of it might be redundant if you own everything else, but it's a perfect comp, and I don't own a remastered version of "Substitute" for fuck's sake (the version on the 30 Years box is the Live at Leeds version).

Hideous Lump, Sunday, 19 February 2012 03:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Last Time/Under My Thumb?

Dalai Mixture (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 19 February 2012 03:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yup:

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 19 February 2012 03:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Special Announcement: The Who consider Mick Jagger & Keith Richard have been treated as scapegoats for the drug problem and as a protest against the savage sentences imposed on them at Chichester yesterday. The WHO are issuing today the first of a series of Jagger/Richard songs to keep their work before the public until they are again free to record themselves."

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 19 February 2012 03:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

no one voting for 'armenia city'? that song is so huge

― Michael B Higgins (Michael B), Saturday, 18 February 2012 18:39 (Yesterday)

it got my vote!

sleeve, Sunday, 19 February 2012 03:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

And why haven't they put out a remastered version of Meaty Beaty Big and Bouncy? A lot of it might be redundant if you own everything else, but it's a perfect comp, and I don't own a remastered version of "Substitute" for fuck's sake (the version on the 30 Years box is the Live at Leeds version).

There's a remastered "Substitute" on the 2004 Then & Now compilation, which also has the better-than-expected 2004 tracks "Real Good Looking Boy" and "Old Red Wine."

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 19 February 2012 03:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was always hoping to stumble across Then & Now in a used bin.

Hideous Lump, Sunday, 19 February 2012 04:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

which also has the better-than-expected 2004 tracks "Real Good Looking Boy" and "Old Red Wine."

Yes. The 2000s Who is better than people realize. Mike Post Theme from Endless Wire is an alltime classic, the best Who or Who-related song since the early 70s.

kornrulez6969, Sunday, 19 February 2012 04:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've got a cool legit German Polydor disc that has 25 of those stray tracks on it.

Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 19 February 2012 04:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Special Announcement: The Who consider Mick Jagger & Keith Richard have been treated as scapegoats for the drug problem and as a protest against the savage sentences imposed on them at Chichester yesterday."

Can't remember where I read it, but Jagger concluded this was nothing more than an attempt to steal their "stronger" material. Those limey rock stars.

I voted for I Can't Reach You, a song that has a lot of personal meaning for me. Love this whole thing (and the bonus tracks) to bits, tho

Trip Maker, Sunday, 19 February 2012 05:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've got a cool legit German Polydor disc that has 25 of those stray tracks on it.

If that's Rarities, Vol. 1 & 2, I've got it; I even had the double vinyl back in the early '80s. I listened the hell out of those records, and the two Missing collections from a few years later.

Hideous Lump, Sunday, 19 February 2012 05:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

Can't remember where I read it, but Jagger concluded this was nothing more than an attempt to steal their "stronger" material. Those limey rock stars.

According to Dave Marsh in Before I Get Old, Jagger's response was, "Peter, you're a gentleman." Perfect.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 19 February 2012 06:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

My vote went to "I Can See For Miles." Granted, a predictable choice (I came close to voting for "Heinz Baked Beans" -- none of the Who's peers dared put anything as defiantly comedic on a record). But it perfectly encapsulates one the Who's engagingly myriad contradictions: it was a perfect encapsulation of their live sound, but was rarely played live. And it's as soaring as it is biting. Also, Daltrey never sneered better.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 19 February 2012 07:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

If that's Rarities, Vol. 1 & 2, I've got it; I even had the double vinyl back in the early '80s. I listened the hell out of those records, and the two Missing collections from a few years later.

That's it. Found it for $5 at a Half-Price Books a couple years ago. Had never heard of it before, but it's easily one of the best official Who comps ever.

Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 19 February 2012 07:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Felt lucky and privileged to see them play both Tattoo and I Can See For Miles at the LA stop on the 1982 tour.

Voted I Can't Reach You. Always wanted to record a Spacemen 3-styles take on Armenia

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Sunday, 19 February 2012 08:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

If we included extras I'd go for Melancholia, possibly my favourite Who song. That leaves an impossible choice. I Can See for Miles is extraordinary sonic bombast, I Can't Reach You pop genius, Sunrise just beautiful. Even the ads have wit, charm and style.

Dr X O'Skeleton, Sunday, 19 February 2012 11:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Has to be "Miles". "Tattoo" is my next favourite.

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Sunday, 19 February 2012 13:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

Jagger's response was, "Peter, you're a gentleman." Perfect.
Oh maybe it was keef.

Trip Maker, Sunday, 19 February 2012 14:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

A lot of these have been rereleased on the remastered CDs from the '90s, but there's still 7 or 8 that you can only get on some of the old rarities collections, including Entwistle's incredible "When I Was a Boy":

Just listened to this on the new Japanese remaster of Who's Missing. What a tremendous song. If Townshend wasn't so insistent that every Who album be A MAJOR STATEMENT, they could've put out a killer 1972 record with the Lifehouse leftovers and b-sides like this.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 23 February 2012 04:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

really tempted to vote for 'i can see for miles' because it's the only who anthem that never sounds even a little bit tired or overplayed to me even after a hundred listens, whereas i'd be completely happy to hop into that alternate universe posited upthread where the who turn into the non-twee kinks and 'baba o'riley' and 'won't get fooled again' and 'who are you' never get to exist. but i'll probably vote for 'mary anne' because it has the best title of any who song.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 23 February 2012 06:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

xpost there is an album called "The Ox", it contains all the Entwistle songs up to that point.

Mark G, Thursday, 23 February 2012 06:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

whereas i'd be completely happy to hop into that alternate universe posited upthread where the who turn into the non-twee kinks and 'baba o'riley' and 'won't get fooled again' and 'who are you' never get to exist.

^i dont wanna live in this alternate universe

You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Thursday, 23 February 2012 14:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Going through the "Quadrophenia" deluxe edition notes, it seemed there was an idea to have the 'story' songs alongside some 'pop music' stuff, but they couldn't work out how to knit them together without them appearing disjointed.

Mark G, Thursday, 23 February 2012 14:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

This is one of those v minor nuisances one should never even voice, but it's bothered me since the day I bought the CD that the spine says
THE WH0 SELL OUT
with a zero in their name like it's a copy of Mechanical Animals.

dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Thursday, 23 February 2012 15:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ha, I remember being surprised that they did "Tattoo" on that tour.

timellison, Saturday, 15 February 2014 05:03 (8 months ago) Permalink

I just looked up that gig (Birmingham, AL, Nov 82) and apparently they didn't play "Sunrise" -- but I swear I have a clear memory of them doing that song! They did do "Tattoo" though. (Faulty) memory is a funny thing.

WilliamC, Saturday, 15 February 2014 05:12 (8 months ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

I expect I'll regret you
But the skin graft man won't get you

The "5" Astronomer Royales (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 15:20 (1 month ago) Permalink


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