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outtake "Jaguar," on which Moon sings lead. Moon and Townshend got in a huge fight about whether or not this would go on the record. Townshend won, hence "Sunrise."

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 18 February 2012 05:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 18 February 2012 05:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Armenia

ma ck ro ma ck ro (mackro mackro), Saturday, 18 February 2012 05:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

'Odorono'... while The Beatles were singing about Lucy in the sky, The Stones were asking where the joint was, and The Kinks were singing about Waterloo sunsets, The Who were writing songs about chicks with stinky armpits.

Turrican, Saturday, 18 February 2012 06:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Voted "Relax" for the same reason I'd vote "Blue Jay Way" on MMT. These days I'm a sucker for droney British keyboard psych.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 18 February 2012 06:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

I heard this after absorbing Who's Next and their 12/17/82 Toronto show

I'm trying to figure out if I was at that show or not. I've still got the ticket stub for May 6, 1980 at Maple Leaf Gardens. I'm positive I saw them once more, but I thought it was earlier, which doesn't seem to be the case checking around online. So that may have been the other time.

clemenza, Saturday, 18 February 2012 14:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

IIRC, back in the ancient times of AOR, none of these tracks ever got played on the radio at all except "I Can See For Miles." Whereas practically every track on Who's Next got played all the time and "Won't Get Fooled Again" would always top the annual listeners poll on WNEW-FM in NYC.

Dalai Mixture (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 18 February 2012 15:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hm, I guess it was only number 6 in 1987 The 1987 WNEW-FM Top 1027 Songs of All Time Listener's Poll

Dalai Mixture (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 18 February 2012 15:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've never heard anything from Who Sell Out other than "I Can See for Miles" on the radio, not even once. But I don't think I've ever heard a non-hit from any of the early albums on the radio, so it may not be any different from everything pre-Tommy in that regard. Album tracks are reserved for Who's Next, Tommy, and Quadrophenia.

clemenza, Saturday, 18 February 2012 15:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yes, exactly. But also Who Are You, no?

Continuing on this radio theme I came across something about Scott Muni just now with a funny story about a John Entwistle interview. Also some other stuff including a great quote from Rosko.

Dalai Mixture (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 18 February 2012 15:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

Meant to post the link, which is here: http://www.areuonsomething.com/features_muni.html

Dalai Mixture (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 18 February 2012 15:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

If you can ever find this, it's got all (or at least most) of the original radio spots on Who Sell Out:

clemenza, Saturday, 18 February 2012 15:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Never saw that website before. Seems old school and a little cheesy, will probably hurt the eyes of most posters here. Sorry, ILX!

Dalai Mixture (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 18 February 2012 15:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

On a totally non-Sell Out note, Keith Moon's solo record is pretty damn silly and entertaining.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 18 February 2012 15:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Never actually got around to hearing the Petra Haden version. Let me see what I can find on the intranetz.

Dalai Mixture (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 18 February 2012 15:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

i've been listening to this lately, and getting to like parts of it, but a lot of it seems so thin. in comparison to 'miles', which is MASSIVE.

j., Saturday, 18 February 2012 15:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

Dalai Mixture (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 18 February 2012 15:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

There was one track on a magazine sampler, and I ordered the CD on the back of that (only five times, maybe, that's happened)

A few places she mispronounces lyrics, as she did this purely by having the album on two tracks of a multitrack, and vocalising on all the others. (She''d not heard it before)

As you say upthread, I'd not heard any of the tracks anyplace apart from 'c4miles', until I found the double-lp version with 'quick one' for inexpensive...

The mono, eh? Will have to track it down. I know 'quick one' came out on CD in mono at first, then they found the stereo master tape and reissued it without fanfare or changing the packaging at all.

Mark G, Saturday, 18 February 2012 15:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

I remember the first time I heard the album "Sunrise" really sounding spookily beautiful.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Sunrise" was a bit of a setlist surprise to me when I saw them in 1982.

Steamtable Willie (WmC), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://open.spotify.com/album/5jSo2xyFarf1dPsn1mwnw6
Would also like to hear some of those albums she and her siblings did with her dad of old country tunes and such. Speaking of whom, did you end up going to see Ravi Coltrane with the Jensen sisters, clemenza? I saw him once with Charlie Haden's Quartet West (although he called it "Quartet East" that night) and it was pretty cool.

Dalai Mixture (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

No, unfortunately--a lot of marking that weekend, and the one friend who might've gone with me wasn't interested.

I've been listening to that pirate-radio compilation I posted above. Very disorienting for anyone who knows Sell Out well. Hearing the "It's smooth sailing with the highly successful sound" spot, you automatically transition to "Me and my brother were talkin' to each other" in your mind; here, the spot leads into the Sorrows' "Take a Heart."

clemenza, Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've heard a lot of live Who, but can't recall them ever doing many songs from Sell Out which is a damn shame. That free-form feedback delay freak-out in the middle of Relax is a wonder to hear.

leavethecapital, Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that was cool. I've heard they do "Tatoo" sometimes

Dalai Mixture (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Other than "I Can See For Miles," which they almost never played live until the 80s, the only songs from Sell Out that made it into their shows were "Tattoo" (through 1974, and a handful of times on the 1982 tour); "Relax" (on their 1968 tours, and last played as part of an end-of-show improvisation in 1976); and "Mary Anne With The Shaky Hands" (played a few times on the 1989 tour).

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

I guess I misremembered the show I saw (Birmingham AL, Nov 1982) -- they played "Tattoo" but not "Sunrise," according to thewholive.net

Steamtable Willie (WmC), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was gonna say, I'd never heard of them ever doing "Sunrise" live. I think Pete's done it once or twice in his solo shows, though.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

The final "Relax"...sort of...

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

The more i think about it the more I want to change my vote to one song, then another, then another. This is basically an entire album of hidden gems + one radio hit. Even that silly first song is amazing.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 18 February 2012 17:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's kind of a shame they went all serious messianic rock after this. In an alternate universe the Who skipped Tommy and became like a more psychedelic and operatic Kinks.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 18 February 2012 17:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was gonna say, when I first started listening to them, in line with the orthodoxy of the time that I subscribed to at the time, I embraced the youthful energy of the early hits and kept the Wagnerian bombast of the latter albums at arm's length. When I first heard this album it was kind of a third thing- almost fragile pop songs alternating with the seeming written-to-order advertising or story-explication numbers- it was almost like Sondheim. It took me a while to get used to it, but it grew to be a perennial favorite.

Dalai Mixture (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 18 February 2012 17:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think I like Tommy more than this album...like they own the "rock as musical" more fully there, & I think the hooks are consistently stronger there, for two albums w/o a lot of obvious singles. but I like this album a bunch too, prob gonna vote "Mary Anne"

Euler, Saturday, 18 February 2012 18:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

no one voting for 'armenia city'? that song is so huge

Michael B Higgins (Michael B), Saturday, 18 February 2012 18:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

One difference between Tommy and the Sell Out era Who is during Sell Out Townshend wrote three minute pop mini-operas whereas later he needed four LP sides to accomplish the same thing. Despite that,I think The Who did bombast better than even the Zep.

Armenia is great.

leavethecapital, Saturday, 18 February 2012 18:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Mmm, I don't hear any three minute pop mini-operas on this album unless you're counting "Odorono." "Rael" is almost six minutes.

timellison, Saturday, 18 February 2012 18:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

Used the term opera pretty loosely there. A better way to put it might be short stories vs novels. Either way, I prefer the conciseness of Sell Out to the sprawl of Tommy.

You reminded me there's not enough love for Rael on this thread.

leavethecapital, Saturday, 18 February 2012 19:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

Doesn't Rael reappear in another guise on Tommy?

Dalai Mixture (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 18 February 2012 20:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, "Sparks"

Steamtable Willie (WmC), Saturday, 18 February 2012 20:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

Doesn't Rael appear in another guise on The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway?

dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Saturday, 18 February 2012 20:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

srsly tho why did they both name a songy character Rael

dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Saturday, 18 February 2012 20:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

The "Love love love long" bit in "Our Love Was (Is)" is pretty operatic. Likewise, I could see some clown in a cape prowling around a stage to "Silas Stingy".

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 18 February 2012 21:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

I Can't Reach You, narrowly over Armenia

kornrulez6969, Saturday, 18 February 2012 21:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

should poll the reissue bonus tracks
melancholia v glow girl

i think you'd be cool to meet. i bet we'd have a lot to talk about (buzza), Saturday, 18 February 2012 21:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

listening again, "Sunrise" is pretty gorgeous, also want to vote for "I Can't Reach You"

lotta Pete on this album, kinda weird, guess that's one of the "talking points" of this album?

still gonna vote "Mary Anne" though I think

Euler, Saturday, 18 February 2012 21:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

I sometimes think of this album in tandem with Kinks "Arthur," as both seem to build up rather eclectically to a (possible) best-ever single right around the middle and then sort-of drop off, though not in any horrible way.

I think that sentimentally I'm attached to Tatoo, and the whole album is pretty great, but have to concede that I Can See For Miles is as perfect a rock single as you could want. Probably will get undervoted due to relative overexposure.

dlp9001, Saturday, 18 February 2012 22:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

srsly tho why did they both name a songy character Rael

iirc, Peter Gabriel was a massive Who fan, and named his character Rael as an homage. Also, Townshend's Rael is a place, not a person ("the womb of my religion/to me, the center of the earth").

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 18 February 2012 22:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

should poll the reissue bonus tracks
melancholia v glow girl

The funny thing is, the Who are generally seen as not being nearly as prolific as their contemporaries, but there's at least another double album from this period lurking among the outtakes and non-LP singles/b-sides.

"Melancholia," though, is a bit of an outlier; it was recorded after Sell Out was released.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 18 February 2012 22:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

Like Tommy fine but the theme is kinda heavy which seems to weigh down or lessen some of the individual songs whereas here the theme is merely a kind of a framing story, allowing for these interesting little character studies or in places just being ignored altogether.

Halfway through first listen to the PH a capella cover album, the cumulative effect is pretty amazing.

Dalai Mixture (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

armenia

da croupier, Friday, 6 July 2012 00:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

tattoo

Iago Galdston, Friday, 6 July 2012 00:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

I Can't Reach You

fatmamakick, Friday, 6 July 2012 00:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

armenia

some dude, Friday, 6 July 2012 00:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

tatto

gospodin simmel, Friday, 6 July 2012 07:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

fuck, tattoo

gospodin simmel, Friday, 6 July 2012 07:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

And yet, there's one song that'll probably win by miles..

Mark G, Friday, 6 July 2012 08:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Saturday, 7 July 2012 00:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

Actually somewhat shocked that "Sunrise" didn't get any votes.

Chuck? Chuck? It's me, your cousin, Marvin D (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 7 July 2012 00:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

must have been a lot of lurkers, huh? don't remember ICSFM getting lots of shout outs in the thread...

Iago Galdston, Saturday, 7 July 2012 00:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

One of the rare albums I always listen to as an album, never in tracks. The sheer sound of this album, and of Piper at the Gates of Dawn, are the peak of a certain kind of big but crisp psychedelic production aesthetic that I can't describe without lapsing into metaphors from old soft drink commercials.

Vic Perry, Saturday, 7 July 2012 01:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

don't remember ICSFM getting lots of shout outs in the thread

obvious truths don't need shoutouts

j., Saturday, 7 July 2012 04:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

alright then!

Iago Galdston, Saturday, 7 July 2012 04:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Relax" is full of good life advice.

chupacabra seeds (Abbbottt), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 03:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

And yet, there's one song that'll probably win by miles..

― Mark G, Friday, 6 July 2012 08:27 (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That'll be five pounds, thanks.

Mark G, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 09:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

Heinz Baked Beans 1

nutter...

Mark G, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 09:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Nothing for Sunrise. Wish I'd voted for it now

Dr X O'Skeleton, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 19:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah that song is really hauntingly beautiful.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 19:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

damn no sunrise? i forgot to vote in this, but probably would've voted for that.

tylerw, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 19:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Why shouldn't they, it's great!

SomeTwat from Tring (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 July 2012 10:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yes.

My Elusive Memes (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 12 July 2012 11:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

Have been hearing "Mary Anne with the Shaky Hand" for 25-30 years and never realized the middle part was supposed to be flamenco.

timellison, Saturday, 8 December 2012 23:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

I've been playing this off YouTube for my art classes the past couple of days. (I know the "Monday-Tuesday" intro will make them laugh and put them into a receptive frame of mind right away.) The album's not new to me or anything--got a copy out of my parents' basement pile 45 years ago. But, like a lot of albums, it basically narrowed down in my mind over the years to my two or three favourite songs ("I Can't Reach You," "I Can See for Miles"). I haven't really listened to it in a long time.

So good. I don't think there's ever been an album I consider perfect, one where I unreservedly love every song. This one comes close--almost as close as Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere. I could do without "Silas Stingy" and "Sunrise," which I notice got no votes here. Completely endorse Christgau's retroactive A+. If there'd been Pazz & Jop in '67, it would have got my vote--wonder how it would have fared against Sgt. Pepper and Are You Experienced.

clemenza, Friday, 14 February 2014 16:22 (7 months ago) Permalink

Agree about Silas Stingy,but Sunrise is gorgeous

Dr X O'Skeleton, Friday, 14 February 2014 21:35 (7 months ago) Permalink

yes, perfect album and yes, Sunrise is gorgeous

g simmel, Saturday, 15 February 2014 03:30 (7 months ago) Permalink

It was one of the happy setlist surprises when I saw them in 1982.

WilliamC, Saturday, 15 February 2014 03:32 (7 months ago) Permalink

Ha, I remember being surprised that they did "Tattoo" on that tour.

timellison, Saturday, 15 February 2014 05:03 (7 months ago) Permalink

I just looked up that gig (Birmingham, AL, Nov 82) and apparently they didn't play "Sunrise" -- but I swear I have a clear memory of them doing that song! They did do "Tattoo" though. (Faulty) memory is a funny thing.

WilliamC, Saturday, 15 February 2014 05:12 (7 months ago) Permalink


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