gender

yeah, i'm pretty over "can't we all just be friends??/agree to disagree??" when it comes to certain issues

oh maybe that should go on 'things you're fascist about' thread...

okay, point taken. but there are also these sorts of things in that study:

Testosterone levels showed a low but positive correlation
with measures of aggression and higher correlations with
dominance, variously measured by leadership, toughness,
personal power, and aggressive dominance. A study of 13-
year-old boys found the highest associations with testosterone
for being a tough leader, and little sign of an association
with measures of fighting. There was also evidence that men
with higher testosterone levels were more prone to react in
situations that were perceived as challenges, such as an
angry face or a more psychologically-induced challenge to
their self worth. These studies broadly support the
prediction that there would be an association between
aggression-based dominance and testosterone levels. They
also go beyond this, in indicating that challenges and status
matters more to high testosterone people, and influences
their behavior.

and this:

High testosterone men tend to be stable
extraverts, and to show a range of characteristics
indicating that they tend to prioritize shorter-term goals.
For example, high testosterone men show more antisocial
behavior, take more risks, and have less stable sexual
relationships. There was evidence that high and low
testosterone males tend to set out on different life courses
from a relatively early age, although it is clear that any
initial dispositions interacts with social circumstances.

i mean, there seems to be little doubt that testosterone affects human behavior in all sorts of ways, many of them measurable on a statistical/demographic scale.

yeah, i'm pretty over "can't we all just be friends??/agree to disagree??" when it comes to certain issues

― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, February 15, 2012 3:59 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

oh, i know. was hoping this wasn't one of them. and i sort of wish people on ILX were more inclined to accept certain kinds of dissent, but i suppose that if they were, it wouldn't be such a brilliant and hospitable place...

Wait, so high-testosterone males are stable extraverts who engage in antisocial and risk-taking behavior?

but seriously, oh what a world it would be if we could all voice our opinions and then use rigorous scientific method-like analysis to call bullshit on the ones that don't serve the whole
xps
hm

obv i'm not talking about quantitative science itself there BUT choosing to fund certain projects could be determined in such a way. i'm being a socialist now tho with this line.

Science is the only known corrective for the limits of human cognition. No matter how discomforting the truth of what it reveals, we must abide by its findings until better findings come along.

lol

Wait, so high-testosterone males are stable extraverts who engage in antisocial and risk-taking behavior?

― happiness is the new productivity (Hurting 2), Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:04 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark

"stable" in that they're consistently extroverted, yeah

banaka otm, posthuman future now plz

I don't quite know how to posit this without sounding suuuper airheaded, but I'll try...

I know that menstrual synchrony is kinda dismissed as hogwash hearsay, but I've always wondered if hormonally certain groups/types of people (and types could even mean on a chemical level, I'm not sure)...if there's ever some kind of...'hivemind' way that gender can manifest. Whether it's in male violence for example.

And I'm not discounting behavioural choice here. I don't quite know what I'm suggesting. But I'm just wondering about all the ways that 'typically' male/female behaviour come out, and if we all have the same kind of stew, as gbx, described it, if there's ever circumstances where certain behaviours might seem to manifest innately?

I'm kind of lost in my own question now so I'll pull the chute and apologize in advance for being so hilariously nebulous

i think it's been proven that humans are social creatures and that yes 'hivemind' exists to a certain extent! it's the only way to explain the popularity of reality tv anyway

and other things that groups of people like

^ science

science rules

it's like magic

science, how does it work

bunsen burners are involved iirc

we're gonna need some of those big glass beakers. Where's Walter White when you need him.

hey, things have chilled back down over here. nice. anyway, i dunno about the idea of gender groups becoming one. i do notice that if i'm watching sports with a bunch of guys who like sports, i find that i can easily sink in and enjoy the game. i get caught up in the action, work to figure out the details, even commit emotionally to my team. if i'm on my own, however, sports are the most boring shit in the universe. don't think i do this anywhere near as much with groups of girls.

in other words, my self is socially dependent, is redefined constantly by my social environment. this extends to stuff like gender and even my body. who and what i am are not by any means constant.

which i guess = VGrrl OTM

Just FYI, I'm caught up with both the feminist and gender threads. I think I should win an award for that.

don't be so competitive, man

don't think i do this anywhere near as much with groups of girls.

You don't know the same girls I do. I've watched the last two World Cups and the last two Euros w/a group of women

i get caught up in the action, work to figure out the details, even commit emotionally to my team.

Why do you think I'm into soccer?

lol nearly xp w MW

girls.

Well, to be fair, it was in opposition to "guys".

Not saying it's not a blunder, but...

Note how I both echoed contenderizer but shifted to ladies women.

Why do you think I'm into soccer?

b/c you're an Anglophile?

You have to admit to the eye-candy aspect, Laurel

The only eye candy aspect that interests me is cuet skinheads also watching the game tbh. The players? Tscheh.

Except for Agger obv.

LOL

The only part of the last WC that my gf cared two cents about was the daily post in Jezebel of the best abs or thighs or something.

That thing is so fuckin annoying.

This is undoubtedly sexist as hell of me but I also like watching w/my ladyfriends 'cause I get all the dirt on the WAGs.

I'm a little ashamed to say that her present fb crush is none other than the Special One. De gustibus, etc...

No, I meant my experience is exactly like contend's: I like other people liking the game. I like the tacit permission to let go and feel something that other people are sharing. That's it. My complete intro to soccer as a thing was with a bunch of Americans who were absolute maniacs for it, no public scene was too large, crying after the game was de rigueur win or lose. I still feel this.

i do notice that if i'm watching sports with a bunch of guys who like sports, i find that i can easily sink in and enjoy the game. i get caught up in the action, work to figure out the details, even commit emotionally to my team. if i'm on my own, however, sports are the most boring shit in the universe.
...
in other words, my self is socially dependent, is redefined constantly by my social environment.

this is so alien to me. i think of my sense of self as way too hard-won to be so malleable. ha, the last conversation i had along these lines was with kelly clarkson (she agreed with me)

i agree, laurel.

and lex, it's not malleable, exactly - there's no bending w/r/t perception or cognition, but rather a heightened empathy for Human Achievement or shared spectacle or common experience. kind of akin to good times at a bad movie, b/c the rest of the audience finds it equally hilares.

No, I meant my experience is exactly like contend's: I like other people liking the game. I like the tacit permission to let go and feel something that other people are sharing. That's it. My complete intro to soccer as a thing was with a bunch of Americans who were absolute maniacs for it, no public scene was too large, crying after the game was de rigueur win or lose. I still feel this.

― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:30 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This exactly why I like sports most specifically going to actual games. There's something so amazing and electrifying about sharing that buzz and excitement. It's amazing.

I even went to basketball game recently and had a blast specifically because of this. I mean, I know NOTHING about basketball but watching and feeling everyone get so into it made it awesome.

I prefer but don't need society to get into soccer. I don't even need commentary though I like to hear the crowd.

I enjoy football (American) when I am watching it with friends who know more than me – that is most of my friends - and add the value of a soundtrack or emotional pulse and interactivity. fwiw, my mom and aunt are the football fans in my family - my dad could give a rat's ass for any game except competitive ice skating (?).

You know what makes me really angry and could probably either fit somewhere in here or in the IA thread - fan gear made for women that is all pink and rhinestoned and ridiculous. I hate it to the point where if I see some girl/woman wearing that sort of thing I will automatically assume I'd hate her. I realize that isn't necessarily true but the mere existence of that stuff bothers the hell out of me let alone the people that actually by it.

the Patriots / Susan G. Koman stuff is espesh egregious

I am somewhat tired of ppl who say something about a pink shirt. A simple nice shirt/tie combo would be sufficient, if you have to say something, but 'brave', 'gay, wink, wink' and 'in touch w/my feminine side' are perfectly ludicrous.