Kenneth Lonergan's MARGARET, starring Anna Paquin as a teenager in turmoil

Yeah, this was brilliant and i thought it flew by. My one complaint (and it's just a stupid pet peeve) is that i could have done without a crying at the opera scene. Bit of a cliche, no?

this is hilarious btw

my wife & I even had a Certified Copy roleplay evening afterwards, demonstrating the power that an unresolved analysis of pretence and present-moment reality can have.

absolutely a cliche but I felt like they'd earned it somehow. It felt appropriately grandiose and melodramatic

absolutely a cliche but I felt like they'd earned it somehow. It felt appropriately grandiose and melodramatic

― all the other twinks with their fucked up dicks (billy), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 17:29 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah otm. i think i flagged up the speakerphone call in the lawyer's office, somewhere upthread, as something that was incredibly rich in the earned dynamics it was displaying, regarding each character's motivation & history & failings &c&c&c, & i just loved the crying scene at the end for the same reasons - it isn't even which one of these things does it mean but the unruly mess of motivations for the mother starting to cry soon killed me - a kind of joining in with her daughter, a redress to their distance, a kind of remnant of grief, something that snowballed, something that took over.

While I find Matt Damon more enticing as a geometry teacher than as an action hero, I think going where they did was a mistake, one plot strand too many.

I think Lonergan was working on the basis that there is no such thing as a plot strand too many. I reckon this film could easily have had an hour cut from it. Lots of the film was very good, but there was too much of it, burying the film's essence in a load of superfluous detail.

Bah, I side with the Fox suits - I am a philistine.

then you are on the right board

Lincoln Center has a screening w/ Lonergan & cast members in 3 weeks:

http://www.filmlinc.com/press/entry/fslc-announces-12th-edition-of-film-comment-selects-february-17-march-1

― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, January 31, 2012 3:36 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark

did any new yorkers see this? would be curious to hear what kinds of things lonergan said

here's yer video, H4A

http://www.filmlinc.com/blog/entry/video-a-conversation-with-the-cast-and-crew-of-margaret

awesome! thank you

Eugene Hernandez on Twitter wrote:
Tidbit from Searchlight bash (pretty sure I can share it): MARGARET DVD in May will include a directors cut; not finished for theatrical.

'pparently

oOoOoOh

I reckon this film could easily have had an hour cut from it. Lots of the film was very good, but there was too much of it, burying the film's essence in a load of superfluous detail.

Bah, I side with the Fox suits - I am a philistine.

― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, February 22, 2012 1:33 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This was my (controversial minority) opinion. Also, the dream sequence was totally WTF???

Also, am I the only one who thought of My So-Called Life in connection with this? (Post-9/11, minus network standards & practices censorship, and turned up to 11, but....)

i have no memory of a dream sequence, which part was that?

Lisa turns on the tap, only to find blood gushing from it. Then the dead woman appears in the mirror behind her. (Possibly some edits of the films don't include this bit?)

Now, I agree throughout the movie Lisa is suffering from guilt and PTSD. But putting this on the screen in so blatant a fashion was irritating.

Soooooo, Fox announced the home video (or whatever they call it these days) release of this film yesterday. The streetdate is July 10th, it will initially be an Amazon exclusive, and the release would be a dvd/blu combo featuring both the theatrical cut and the 186-minute "Lonergan Cut". (linkage)

Then today news broke that what Fox meant by "dvd/blu combo" is the bluray is just the theatrical version and the dvd is just Lonergan's version. (linkage)

fox announced the lonergan cut would be made available in a non-anamorphic highly pixelated CDR with 28kbs soundtrack and burned in cyrillic subtitles

also paquin's lines have been redubbed by fran drescher

...and Ruffalo redubbed his lines in the voice of The Hulk, which explains the title card after the end credits that bears the legend "We should have hired Weadon."

Out in July!

Don't you mean "available"?

I'll look at the KL cut eventually, but yeah, it was long enough already.

It wasn't really long enough at all. There seemed to be a chunk of Matt Damon's scenes that had been cut, making an awkward lurch in that strand. Smilarly with Lisa's lawsuit arc.

Matt Damon = pretty disposable

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/24/magazine/kenneth-lonergans-thwarted-masterpiece.html

^ just read, ty ned. loved this:

During all this, Lonergan gamely supported the film, attending question-and-answer sessions at screenings of “Margaret” and deflecting questions about the movie’s tortured history. (“Buy me a drink sometime,” he joked grimly to one person who asked about the long delay.)

am genuinely excited about catching the longer version. as much, really, to reimmerse in the languorous stuff i've already seen as for the extras, loose ends & breathing space it might afford.

sorry that's a long article and i just want to know if there's news therein about a dvd release, directors cut or whatever.

is this anything like Rachel Getting Married? i have a fear of seeing something like that again so i'm just checking first.

loved You Can Count On Me, this looks good too.

is this anything like Rachel Getting Married? i have a fear of seeing something like that again

hahahaha holy shit. me too. you are officially now my favourite poster in the history of ilx.

i honestly think i'd rather be waterboarded than see that again. & i only saw half of it the first time because i walked out.

sorry that's a long article and i just want to know if there's news therein about a dvd release, directors cut or whatever.

― jed_, Saturday, June 23, 2012 1:06 AM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

extended version out in the states on july 9!
no-one knows for sure that it's lonergan's platonic three hour cut, but i think it probably is? that the article details the film being fucked up every which way it's still plausible that it'll be some kind of slo-mo remix of the theatrical release, but it's looking promising.

i honestly think i'd rather be waterboarded than see that again. & i only saw half of it the first time because i walked out.

― jed_, Saturday, June 23, 2012 1:33 AM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

but does the first time mean you went back

it is not very much like RGM, except they are both good films w/ solid lead performances.

This was very good but I'm irked that there was no mention of the bus passengers, or any bystanders, having witnessed anything. And the police never question Lisa's involvement in the crash.

ha, i feel like you're gonna have trouble finding support for your this film needed more viewpoints argument

that oversight hadn't occurred to me, anyhow. really looking forward to seeing it again.

Man, New Yorkers will be arguing about this movie long after the rest of the country forgot they never knew about this movie.

http://cityarts.info/2012/07/11/their-own-private-911/

as we say so often here, "sod the rest of the country, if we are indeed part of it."

Loud and clear.

anyone watch the extended cut yet?

also c'mon, no one is going to waste time arguing with Armond. Isn't this his second pan of the movie?

finally got a firm August release date on Netflix

Streaming or disc?

disc came out yesterday i think? at least my pre-ordered blu ray shipped from amazon~

Isn't this his second pan of the movie?

Well, the movie's fans refuse to let it leave screening rooms.

Netflix release dates don't coincide with everyone else's.

NYC chauvinism can't be the only thing that's making me pull a "Morbs on QT" stance on this movie, can it?

3-hr cut of this is def. superior to the theatrical.

The film shows the Upper West Side to be kind of a horrible place IMO

xp in what ways?

"Subplots" feel much better-integrated and more fleshed out, for starters.

Also, I'm glad I took the time to read a wiki synopsis of The Tales of Hoffmann.