things you're secretly kinda libertariany about

Also, they're going to so much trouble covering up the cigarette installations in off-licences and supermarkets, and yet smokers are encouraged to display their bad habits to all and sundry on pub doorsteps. FFFUU---

lag∞n, you've never been to the uk huh?

― The Invisible Superstars (dog latin), Tuesday, February 14, 2012 10:12 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i meant put the band outside of the pub next to the smokers on the sidewalk or wee footpath or w/e tf u call it

for real tho the smoking ban is really a workplace safety issue, like you couldnt have a factory thats full of smoke

you could probably have a factory that was full of smoke if it was a smoke factory. servers could wear oxygen masks if they're so worried about their "health", problem solved.

dunno if you guys knew this but smoking is bad for you, and for the people who are around you when youre smoking

this is libertarian thread, point is not to care abt other people's problems

Sure it's not worth the cost of the ticket if you're not actually gonna like go inside and see the band.

People who think live shows are primarily a place to hang out with their mates should be killed, basically.

xp to dl

― ledge, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:14 (13 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Well, that's exactly the point. The club I promote at has a flight of steps leading from the main entrance. First band comes off, everyone goes outside to smoke/chat, next band comes on to an empty room. Basically the whole venue never fills up because a good chunk of audience are wrapped up in a conversation outside, not knowing that the next band has started. I'm talking about smaller, local gigs in a medium-sized town here where fledgling bands need all the support they can get.

i am a nonsmoker, and i think smoking in bars should be legal, so long as there are dedicated, well-ventilated spaces for it. along with dedicated, well-ventilated spaces for nonsmokers.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:06 (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

We tried this for a while in Maryland before banning smoking outright.

wee footpath or w/e tf u call it

jho you are a gifted troll. Hats off to you in this instance, you are the most annoying ever.

it sounds like people are lame in the uk more than the laws are lame

there are smoking bans in america and nightlife and fun still exists, we made it happen

live music is the worst tho its so loud and u stand there just watching it

Ireland has not entirely ground to halt either...

jho you are a gifted troll. Hats off to you in this instance, you are the most annoying ever.

― one little aioli (Laurel), Tuesday, February 14, 2012 10:18 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i seem to have snared an anglophile in my net *twists moustache*

phones. they're called phones.

the idea that people like cigarettes so much that if they're banned somewhere they're gonna take down a country's fun, all of it

I thought it was hilars. I tip my tam o'shanter to you.

I have a fair singing voice, but in a smoky gig area, forget it.

in ny when the smoking ban past smokers took to the pages of the village voice claiming they were just gonna stay home cause party time is over now lol

dont all the bars close in england at lik 9pm too

I thought it was hilars. I tip my tam o'shanter to you.

― one little aioli (Laurel), Tuesday, February 14, 2012 10:24 AM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

;)

it's true, go to the east village today on a friday night, it's like a ghost town

also smoking is really bad, i suggest that if you smoke you should quit

how could any city create nightlife without a foundation of cigarettes, the one and only fuel for having fun

p sure that's speed.

its funny cause i dont know one smoker now who doesnt approve of the ban, theyre all my clothes dont reek of smoke i realized i i like smoking but not second hand smoke i get to take a lil break on the side walk and make new friends so on and so forth

i meant put the band outside of the pub next to the smokers on the sidewalk or wee footpath or w/e tf u call it

― lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:15 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This would obviously add to more noise problems for neighbours etc. Plus outdoor music licenses are basically impossible to get hold of these days.

yah i was jus joking, it would be a funny innovation tho

i do like going outside you get conversations starting and it makes a pleasant break from being bombarded by loud shitty music

Plus outdoor music licenses are basically impossible to get hold of these days.

again, sounds like the uk has other problems to deal w/

drizzle

iatee's solution for uk nightlife:
a. let anywhere get a liquor license
b. let anywhere be open 24/7
c. increase cigarette taxes and use the money hire a team of american consultants to teach uk people how to have fun without smoking

NV: Yes, this is an advantage. I'm pretty used to it now and I do like to get out of the stuffy pub and chat with people. Still, there's no denying it's impacted severely on bar-trade and venue-trade in our town. Not so much in bigger cities where venues have the advantage of being next to other venues in built-up areas in nightlife district. Smaller towns that once used to have a bustling number of pubs are now awfully quiet, especially in the week - obv not helped by the recession, but mostly cos pubs just aren't much fun anymore cos everyone's standing shivering outside or guarding the table before their mates get back. The biggest club in Hitchin, an 800 capacity venue that has always hosted live music was closed down and turned into a massive echoey gastropub with no music, simply because live music isn't drawing crowds anymore.

itt iatees discourses on fun

dl it sounds like somebody needs to.... SHAKE UP your little town

http://www.heyuguys.co.uk/images/2011/09/Footloose-Kevin-Bacon-1984.jpg

I have studied fun for many years and believe it can be created using fun-science

places that are boring are not boring on accident they are boring on purpose, because the people there want it to be boring, they used fun-science but they used it for evil

dl it sounds like somebody needs to.... SHAKE UP your little town

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:42 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Good grief, I'm trying. We do a pretty good job with our shows, but gone are the days where audiences will go to a gig just for the sake of it (i.e. never having heard of the band).

Smaller towns that once used to have a bustling number of pubs are now awfully quiet, especially in the week - obv not helped by the recession, but mostly cos pubs just aren't much fun anymore cos everyone's standing shivering outside or guarding the table before their mates get back.

this is so weird. UK ppl: is this really true? US ppl: has anything similar happened here? cuz i've seen no change at all. people still go to bars, they just spend a bit more time outside them now, and everyone seems to have adjusted happily. plus smoking seems to have gone way, way down in general.

maybe americans use the bar less as a general social space that appeals to the entire community, and more as a den of iniquity with appeal only to a fallen few, so the fact that certain people are now staying home isn't a problem, cuz they were always staying home. it's only the dedicated that made it out in the first place.

Yeah, that's how it happened in Ireland, all the smokers just went "Oh well I was planning on giving up anyway"

irish people have studied fun science for centuries tho

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/8/88907/1339674-tremors1_super.jpg

j. I'm okay w/ semi-privitizing the postal service. probably. makes it more expensive to send shit far away isn't nec bad in itself and it'd be a catalyst for making more bills, etc. all go digital.

that LRB piece on the mess that is the privatized dutch postal service made me stop flirting with post office privatization

well ups and fedex are fine if you reallly need to send sometime

something

like they are more expensive and they prob should be cause 'sending shit far away' shouldn't be an activity we encourage when there are alternatives

I like the smoking ban.

Prostitution, drugs, sex. Let people do what they want.

human sacrifice

sorry, the sun god needs to be fed sometimes