things you're secretly kinda libertariany about

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i think that is the truest answer tbh

dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

i would pay good money to remain outside many music venues

mark s, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't see how my statement is either strange or jingoistic when the same "argument" can be found in the mission statements of many American cultural organizations. Public interest is what justifies arts funding whether it is public or private. For example, PBS support for Ken Burns. Is Ken Burns stuff jingoistic or are documentaries about jazz, Frank Lloyd Wright and Prohibition globally as well as domestically relevant?

sure, but public interest can be served by the support of homegrown art forms as well as arts that have their roots elsewhere. suggesting that we cut funding for ostensibly "european" art forms in favor of "american" ones strikes me as at least slightly suspect. supporting homegrown art and art forms /= jingoism, but specifically opposing the funding of not-officially-homegrown stuff does seem to slide in that direction.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sure it's not worth the cost of the ticket if you're not actually gonna like go inside and see the band.

People who think live shows are primarily a place to hang out with their mates should be killed, basically.

xp to dl

ledge, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

Also, they're going to so much trouble covering up the cigarette installations in off-licences and supermarkets, and yet smokers are encouraged to display their bad habits to all and sundry on pub doorsteps. FFFUU---

The Invisible Superstars (dog latin), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

lag∞n, you've never been to the uk huh?

― The Invisible Superstars (dog latin), Tuesday, February 14, 2012 10:12 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i meant put the band outside of the pub next to the smokers on the sidewalk or wee footpath or w/e tf u call it

lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

for real tho the smoking ban is really a workplace safety issue, like you couldnt have a factory thats full of smoke

you could probably have a factory that was full of smoke if it was a smoke factory. servers could wear oxygen masks if they're so worried about their "health", problem solved.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

dunno if you guys knew this but smoking is bad for you, and for the people who are around you when youre smoking

this is libertarian thread, point is not to care abt other people's problems

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sure it's not worth the cost of the ticket if you're not actually gonna like go inside and see the band.

People who think live shows are primarily a place to hang out with their mates should be killed, basically.

xp to dl

― ledge, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:14 (13 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Well, that's exactly the point. The club I promote at has a flight of steps leading from the main entrance. First band comes off, everyone goes outside to smoke/chat, next band comes on to an empty room. Basically the whole venue never fills up because a good chunk of audience are wrapped up in a conversation outside, not knowing that the next band has started. I'm talking about smaller, local gigs in a medium-sized town here where fledgling bands need all the support they can get.

The Invisible Superstars (dog latin), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

i am a nonsmoker, and i think smoking in bars should be legal, so long as there are dedicated, well-ventilated spaces for it. along with dedicated, well-ventilated spaces for nonsmokers.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:06 (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

We tried this for a while in Maryland before banning smoking outright.

getting good with gulags (beachville), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

wee footpath or w/e tf u call it

jho you are a gifted troll. Hats off to you in this instance, you are the most annoying ever.

one little aioli (Laurel), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

it sounds like people are lame in the uk more than the laws are lame

iatee, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

there are smoking bans in america and nightlife and fun still exists, we made it happen

iatee, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

live music is the worst tho its so loud and u stand there just watching it

lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ireland has not entirely ground to halt either...

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

jho you are a gifted troll. Hats off to you in this instance, you are the most annoying ever.

― one little aioli (Laurel), Tuesday, February 14, 2012 10:18 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i seem to have snared an anglophile in my net *twists moustache*

lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

phones. they're called phones.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

the idea that people like cigarettes so much that if they're banned somewhere they're gonna take down a country's fun, all of it

iatee, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

I thought it was hilars. I tip my tam o'shanter to you.

one little aioli (Laurel), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

I have a fair singing voice, but in a smoky gig area, forget it.

Mark G, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

in ny when the smoking ban past smokers took to the pages of the village voice claiming they were just gonna stay home cause party time is over now lol

lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

dont all the bars close in england at lik 9pm too

max, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

I thought it was hilars. I tip my tam o'shanter to you.

― one little aioli (Laurel), Tuesday, February 14, 2012 10:24 AM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

;)

lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's true, go to the east village today on a friday night, it's like a ghost town

iatee, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

also smoking is really bad, i suggest that if you smoke you should quit

max, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

how could any city create nightlife without a foundation of cigarettes, the one and only fuel for having fun

iatee, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

p sure that's speed.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

its funny cause i dont know one smoker now who doesnt approve of the ban, theyre all my clothes dont reek of smoke i realized i i like smoking but not second hand smoke i get to take a lil break on the side walk and make new friends so on and so forth

lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

i meant put the band outside of the pub next to the smokers on the sidewalk or wee footpath or w/e tf u call it

― lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:15 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This would obviously add to more noise problems for neighbours etc. Plus outdoor music licenses are basically impossible to get hold of these days.

The Invisible Superstars (dog latin), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

yah i was jus joking, it would be a funny innovation tho

lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

i do like going outside you get conversations starting and it makes a pleasant break from being bombarded by loud shitty music

dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Plus outdoor music licenses are basically impossible to get hold of these days.

again, sounds like the uk has other problems to deal w/

iatee, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

drizzle

lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

iatee's solution for uk nightlife:
a. let anywhere get a liquor license
b. let anywhere be open 24/7
c. increase cigarette taxes and use the money hire a team of american consultants to teach uk people how to have fun without smoking

iatee, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

NV: Yes, this is an advantage. I'm pretty used to it now and I do like to get out of the stuffy pub and chat with people. Still, there's no denying it's impacted severely on bar-trade and venue-trade in our town. Not so much in bigger cities where venues have the advantage of being next to other venues in built-up areas in nightlife district. Smaller towns that once used to have a bustling number of pubs are now awfully quiet, especially in the week - obv not helped by the recession, but mostly cos pubs just aren't much fun anymore cos everyone's standing shivering outside or guarding the table before their mates get back. The biggest club in Hitchin, an 800 capacity venue that has always hosted live music was closed down and turned into a massive echoey gastropub with no music, simply because live music isn't drawing crowds anymore.

The Invisible Superstars (dog latin), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

itt iatees discourses on fun

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

dl it sounds like somebody needs to.... SHAKE UP your little town

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

I have studied fun for many years and believe it can be created using fun-science

iatee, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

places that are boring are not boring on accident they are boring on purpose, because the people there want it to be boring, they used fun-science but they used it for evil

iatee, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

dl it sounds like somebody needs to.... SHAKE UP your little town

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:42 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Good grief, I'm trying. We do a pretty good job with our shows, but gone are the days where audiences will go to a gig just for the sake of it (i.e. never having heard of the band).

The Invisible Superstars (dog latin), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Smaller towns that once used to have a bustling number of pubs are now awfully quiet, especially in the week - obv not helped by the recession, but mostly cos pubs just aren't much fun anymore cos everyone's standing shivering outside or guarding the table before their mates get back.

this is so weird. UK ppl: is this really true? US ppl: has anything similar happened here? cuz i've seen no change at all. people still go to bars, they just spend a bit more time outside them now, and everyone seems to have adjusted happily. plus smoking seems to have gone way, way down in general.

maybe americans use the bar less as a general social space that appeals to the entire community, and more as a den of iniquity with appeal only to a fallen few, so the fact that certain people are now staying home isn't a problem, cuz they were always staying home. it's only the dedicated that made it out in the first place.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that's how it happened in Ireland, all the smokers just went "Oh well I was planning on giving up anyway"

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

irish people have studied fun science for centuries tho

iatee, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

mark s, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

j. I'm okay w/ semi-privitizing the postal service. probably. makes it more expensive to send shit far away isn't nec bad in itself and it'd be a catalyst for making more bills, etc. all go digital.

iatee, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

that LRB piece on the mess that is the privatized dutch postal service made me stop flirting with post office privatization

max, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

well ups and fedex are fine if you reallly need to send sometime

iatee, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

something

iatee, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

like they are more expensive and they prob should be cause 'sending shit far away' shouldn't be an activity we encourage when there are alternatives

iatee, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:00 (2 years ago) Permalink


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