things you're secretly kinda libertariany about

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But there are already threads about whether or not guns should be available. I just wanted clarification from people on why they would choose a "libertarian" stance.

― The Austerity of PONIES (beachville), Monday, February 13, 2012 8:54 AM (14 minutes ago)

the OP asks for issuse ppl think should be "less" reglated more than "not" regulated

ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Monday, 13 February 2012 14:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

Fair point. However, as a person who thinks people should be able to own guns if they want, I'm not against the existing amount of regulation.

The Austerity of PONIES (beachville), Monday, 13 February 2012 14:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

I wanna see a thread on "Things you would be sorta totalitarian about if it they weren't inherently wrong and kind of fascist".

wolf kabob (ENBB), Monday, 13 February 2012 14:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

ENBB. ENBB. You can make that thread!

The Austerity of PONIES (beachville), Monday, 13 February 2012 14:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

that theme definitely has more resonance with me, my libertarian side is entirely dull, but i'm sure i could make a good well-meaning totalitarian.

Merdeyeux, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

theres not very much that im libertarian abt tbh. at least nothing thats been mentioned on this thread.

max, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

xp - No way I'm starting that. By all means you go ahead and do so.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Monday, 13 February 2012 14:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

all you gun nuts are insane btw but i guess weve covered that

max, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

hope youre enjoying your pheasant hunting

max, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

zoning was referenced itt max, surely zoning

iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm cool with the notion that a state doesn't hold a monopoly on firearms

"they got the guns but we got the numbers" <-------- Jimbo bringin' it

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Monday, 13 February 2012 14:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

xps to ENBB: oh no, after you, please.

The Austerity of PONIES (beachville), Monday, 13 February 2012 14:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

nr absolutist on free speech (had a fight with my housemate about this news story just last week http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-16609303)

caek, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

I would be fine w/ guns being legal if they were taxed so they cost $1 billion each and all the money goes to make up for the misery they inflict on society. it would be good for capitalism cause then people would have to work really hard to afford a gun.

iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh yeah i missed zoning. no more zoning. down with the state

max, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

im like 100% ok with the state holding a monopoly on firearms but really id rather no one have guns not even soldiers. make them fight with swords again

max, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

not a big issue really, we mostly fight we robots today anyway

iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

with

iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

drones dropping swords on pakistan

max, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

gotta make sure theyre pointed down though

max, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

the truth about 9/11

caek, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

e. state secession

iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

Here's a v banal one, not for me but for my dad (because libertarianisn is really banal and boring and this should illustrate why): he bought a big van for towing/moving things. It has an electronic system that senses the air pressure in each tire, in case the driver doesn't ever, ever check and can't tell if a tire is low from how it feels to drive. (My dad can tell if the car got enough sleep last night by how it drives, I'm surprised he even bothers to take them apart to confirm his suspicions.)

The tire pressure sensor system cost several thousand bucks and was mandatory under some kind of safety measure. He was p mad about that, because he's not a person that would ever forget to check, or not notice, not like THOSE OTHER PEOPLE. And why should he have to pay for something that only protects them from their own stupidity?

one little aioli (Laurel), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't know if this is anything a "real" libertarian thinks, but I don't think children should be required to attend school.

(also that we should be waaaaay more aggressive in kicking children out of school, but that's more the totalitarian in me than the libertarian)

Euler, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

what about a 10 y/o whose parents died

iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think i'd be libertarian about most things if THOSE OTHER PEOPLE were a bit less dumb and a bit less dicks

or lag∞n otm

Upt0eleven, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't think children should be required to attend school.

totally disagree with u here

plee help i am lookin for (crüt), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

magic runes

ciderpress, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

I dunno about orphans, but don't think schooling is the central question there.

xp yeah I know my Dewey well enough to have p mixed feelings about my school views

Euler, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's pretty hard to argue that a 12 y/o can make informed and rational decisions about their future and the value of education

iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

esp w/ dead parents

iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

re: guns, I'm pretty comfortable with the federal status quo, I think states with useless 'assault-weapon' bans should alter or repeal them. Would not be averse to suppressors being easier to acquire as there's basically no negative to their use by civilians.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

'makes it easier to murder someone and not get caught' seems like it might contain some negative somewhere

iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

eh, I think 12 year olds can make decisions as informed & rational about their futures & educations as most adults do

(which is obviously "not well")

Euler, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

there are pretty concrete differences between how a 12 y/o's brain works and how a 30 y/o's brain works and there are scientific reasons for why teenagers are more irrational than adults

iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yep. Adolescent brain research is fascinating to me.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

The parts of the brain that are responsible for decision making aren't fully developed until the early 20s iirc.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

take away their drivers licenses, then, let them walk to whatever they want to do with their time

but I think there are a lot of children for whom formal schooling has v little value & I don't see why they should be forced to do something that has v little value. & given the quality of education most American children get, I don't see that much is lost for them qua their futures in our service-oriented futures.

Euler, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

you are not gonna sweet talk me w/ this take away their drivers licenses talk

iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

12 year olds don't have drivers licenses

by the time you can get a drivers license you don't have to attend school anymore

plee help i am lookin for (crüt), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

xxp That'll do wonders for equality of opportunity.

one little aioli (Laurel), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

i firmly believe all children should be educated by gangs

lag∞n, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

we should demolish the boy & girl scouts and give every child a gun

plee help i am lookin for (crüt), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

I guess that is where I get kinda libertarian-y

plee help i am lookin for (crüt), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

'makes it easier to murder someone and not get caught' seems like it might contain some negative somewhere

Yeah, but they don't is the thing.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

i believe all children should be educated by other children with swords

caek, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

gets it^

lag∞n, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

but I think there are a lot of children for whom formal schooling has v little value & I don't see why they should be forced to do something that has v little value. & given the quality of education most American children get, I don't see that much is lost for them qua their futures in our service-oriented futures.

― Euler, Monday, February 13, 2012 10:25 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

this is an argument for increasing the quality of education in america, not for increasing the number of street urchins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

Free speech! But this is pretty easy for a liberal in the USA. I stuggle with some of our newer hate crime laws. I support the idea of punishing people who engage in racially motivated intimidation and violence, but I'm uncomfortable with how the state starts getting involved with right and wrong thinking.

I love how much harder it is to sue for slander in the USA than elsewhere.

Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

was replying to points about adolescent brain structure

wrt say nine year olds quitting school: if we could eliminate the schooling requirement I'd like to see adult education take a step forward to compensate, because it might be that lots of idiot children will realize they can get something of value in night classes etc. sigh: but it's hard when you have to make money. wage slavery makes these things hard.

my thinking on this is a hazy idea that the requirement of public school went hand in hand with a certain kind of economy, or better an *expectation* of a certain kind of economy, that indeed *did* exist, but has now passed, but now there's traction & we don't think about what will come next. but we ought to.

Euler, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:34 (2 years ago) Permalink


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